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Old 22nd April 2010, 02:57   #1
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Default London to Amsterdam in 4 hours. Would you board the train?

What if there were three daily direct services between London and Amsterdam taking aprox. 4 hours for the complete journey... would you board the train?


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- Train type: Siemens Velaro (better knows as ICE 3)
- Service pattern: Morning, afternoon, evening (both ways)
- Intermediate calling points: Ashford (board only), Lille, Rotterdam (Alight only), Amsterdam (Alight only)
- Fare structure: Same as airlines do with a single starting at 49 pounds one way.
- Service level: Tea and coffee is for free on first and standard class, first class get 3 course meal at seat (included in price)

Train times: All times in local time
London to Amsterdam:
London Departures: 0700, 1230, 1800
Ashford Departures: 0730, 1300, 1830
Lille Arrivals/Departures: 0930, 1500, 2030
Rotterdam Arrivals: 1120, 1650, 2220
Amsterdam Arrivals: 1200, 1730, 2300

Amsterdam to London:
Amsterdam Departures: 0700, 1330, 1900
Rotterdam Departures: 0740, 1410, 1940
Lille Arrivals/Departures: 0940, 1610, 2140
Ashford Arrivals: 0930, 1600, 2130
London Arrivals: 0955, 1625, 2155

First London departure can be done at 0600 aswell if proven to be more popular

Would you use the service... and what do you think the maximum fare for the tcket should be?
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Old 22nd April 2010, 07:05   #2
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would you be able to pass straight through Brussels and Antwerp?

Yeah I would use it, I've taken the benelux train on the "classic" route before and it was really slow. All ICE's coming into Brussels take an age to get to Midi station though, plus the administration at all stations needs to be thought about too.
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Old 22nd April 2010, 07:19   #3
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I certainly would - ICE3s are a pleasure to travel on at the best of times.

However, as I used to commute to Amsterdam weekly (by plane), I'm all too aware of how the city attracts a rather, er, excitable group of people over the weekend. Now, it's one thing coping with that in the over-the-top security of an airport, and the staffing visible on a plane, but I shudder to imagine what 4 hours in a carriage with some drunk stag weekenders would be like. Happens on the Newcastle trains too, but at least it's free seating...
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Yes, I would - provided the fares were reasonable (not necessarily cheap).

I may be biased since I have a visceral loathing of flying though

With regards to the inevitable stag weekenders, perhaps they should have a special wipe-down carriage to which they could be confined!
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I would use it.
4 hours is quicker than the current service. In order to make sure that you make the minimum 30 minute checkin time to eurostar at Brussels you have at least 90 minutes to wait on the way back due to the current arrival/departure times at Brussels.
It should also call at Schipol.
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Schiphol Airport station calls won't be possible I'm afraid as the station doesn't have the space required to facilitate the bagage scanning area. (The 6 platform station is located under the terminals)

And with 3 services a day I don't think Schiphol will be an atractive option for UK residents to travel to by train.

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would you be able to pass straight through Brussels and Antwerp?
Calling at Antwerp and Brussels would be direct competition with Eurostar and is not allowed under a Open Acces licence.
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You're probably asking in the wrong place... of course we'd take it

You should try going over to airliners.net or another plane-fan forum and asking there. Four hours city centre to city centre is approaching a very attractive threshold level for people frustrated with the city to airport commute, security, queues etc.
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Maybe they could finally realise that baggage scanners are pointless when you can just drive on to the train at Folkestone?

No, that would be just silly.
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You're probably asking in the wrong place... of course we'd take it

You should try going over to airliners.net or another plane-fan forum and asking there.
But they'd be just as biased as we are
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not much of a view out of the v.small windows on a plane. Even worse than a Pendolino
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Considering the huge number of people who take the (fantastic) P&O ferries to Rotterdam, I think you would have a market. The Londoners would probably make the switch (given that you would get roughly comparable end-end journey times for many I would imagine). Perhaps as you go further North, the ferries and planes would continue to be the first choice (as is still the case for Paris), but I do think it would be a worthwhile service if it were competitively priced.

The problem with the Northerners it that, yes it would be feasible for me to get to Amsterdam in a day, but flying is considerably quicker. If, like me, you wouldn't fly, P&O's excellent ferry service allows you to cross the North Sea through the night and breaks up the journey. But certainly London-Amsterdam would be fantastic.

I would also like to see it call at Schipol, to facilitate transfers onto air travel. KLM have a fantastic worldwide service. But I appreciate that logistics may deter this operation.

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The problem with the Northerners it that, yes it would be feasible for me to get to Amsterdam in a day, but flying is considerably quicker. If, like me, you wouldn't fly, P&O's excellent ferry service allows you to cross the North Sea through the night and breaks up the journey. But certainly London-Amsterdam would be fantastic.
Very true. If, like me, you live within about an hour and a half (or even 15 mins away ) from the docks in Hull, it's much easier to take the overnight ferry than be faffing around with travelling down to London. P&O do very competitively priced minicruises too.
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To be honest, Max, I'd rather drive to Hull (about 5 hours-about the same time as a train to London) and then take the ferry than go by train to London. As great as the London trains are, I'd rather enjoy an evening with a bed on the boat than spend a whole day travelling.
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you can also get the ferry from Newcastle to Ijmuiden (amsterdam)
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Currently there is an average of 47 inbound flights from Greater London (all airports) to Amsterdam, and a equal number return flights. So I think there is a business case here...
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