Football

[MidnightFlyer]

Some of the language with regard to Clattenberg on my Facebook tonight is colourful to say the least. I've been out all day and seen nothing of the game aside from the score and people's responses on here, should I watch it on MotD2: is it really as atrocious as it sounds?

 

[Darandio]

Some of the language with regard to Clattenberg on my Facebook tonight is colourful to say the least. I've been out all day and seen nothing of the game aside from the score and people's responses on here, should I watch it on MotD2: is it really as atrocious as it sounds?

Couldn't be more atrocious.

 

[Johnuk123]

Chelsea have submitted an official complaint re - Clattenburgs language to 2
players.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/28/uk-soccer-england-chelsea-referee-idUKBRE89R0IC20121028

 

[JoeH]

The conspiracy stuff really doesn't make sense.

Both Ivanovic and Torres could have been sent off earlier in the match for a couple of vicious fouls.

Torres was given the second yellow for a dive when there was actually minimal contact, but he shouldn't have been on the pitch anyway.

Valencia was actually also given a yellow for a dive and there was far more contact, yet nobody is complaining about that decision.

David Luiz handled the ball in the penalty area and nothing was given.

The winning goal WAS offside, but it wasn't an easy offside to give at the speed and direction he was moving, and the fact he was comfortably in an onside position by the time he received the ball would make it harder to tell it was offside when the ball was played.




So in United's favour we have an offside goal given, and against them we have a penalty not given and two Chelsea players being on the pitch for a lot longer than they should have.

On balance you could argue that more went against United in the match than for them, and yet we have the usual conspiracy theory stuff.

 

[CC 72100]

On balance you could argue that more went against United in the match than for them, and yet we have the usual conspiracy theory stuff.

Thank You, but hey, having the conspiracy theory, transfers of refs to United and Fergie Association is much more fun it isn't it?

Agree with what you've said mind, as you'll see from my posts on the previous page.

 

[David]

On balance you could argue that more went against United in the match than for them, and yet we have the usual conspiracy theory stuff.

We'll see in MOTD2, when this armchair pundit will have a go at seeing what the ref got right and wrong ....

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I am saying this as a neutral (bear in mind I dislike Chelsea as much as MUFC), that was never, ever a second bookable offence for Torres, that was not a dive. There was more contact there than these was on Young for Ivanovic's dismissal (even though the red there was for a separate offence).

Edit - The first person who says Armchair Pundit is going on my Ignore List
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Apparently John Obi Mikel is the one at the centre of Clattenberg's alleged racist language. I wonder, if he is found guilty, what his punishment would be?

 

[David]

Torres first yellow card looked spot on.

Ivanovic sending off - In real time it did look like a foul

Torres sending off - minimal contact, but not enough to unbalance him. Right call made IMO.

Valencia booking - Looked to have dived after going past Mikel, so yellow card.

Hernandez goal - Very difficult decision for the assistant, and they have been instructed to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team if they are unsure.

Luiz handball - Would have been very harsh if given.

Overall, not as bad a game for the ref as people are making out ....

 

[Darandio]

Valencia booking - Looked to have dived after going past Mikel, so yellow card

Personally, I'm not sure what Valencia could have done here. He couldn't exactly change direction.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I note that in some "Rugby" matches, the referee has a microphone fitted so you can hear his comments on the match play. Has this ever been considered for football?

 

[SS4]

I note that in some "Rugby" matches, the referee has a microphone fitted so you can hear his comments on the match play. Has this ever been considered for football?

Probably vetoed by the powers that be because the status quo suits them (controversy is big business)

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Having watched the Everton v Liverpool match on MOTD2, with the numerous points of contention, I am amazed that no-one bothered to make at least one posting on this thread with their views on that match.

 

[richw]

I note that in some "Rugby" matches, the referee has a microphone fitted so you can hear his comments on the match play. Has this ever been considered for football?

Think its all premiership and internationals as a minimum in rugby for the ref to be miked up. It means supporters & commentators know exactly what's going on, and also protects refs from allegations of he said something which he didn't actually say.

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[balne-wonderer]

Interesting that Fergie had huge condemnation of Torres diving yet his team continue to set the standards. Where was the yellow cards for the Welbeck dive against Wigan (that won a penalty) Where was the yellow card for the Young dive against QPR (that won a penalty) Young dived again to win another penalty although I can't remember the team.

It's always so hypocritical from Man Utd. Just imagine Fergie's reaction had those decisions been the other way round (not that that would be allowed to happen of course)

It amazes me that in big games we are always talking about big decisions going into favour of Man Utd. We all remember the Liverpool game a few weeks ago, in the run up Fergie said "we never get penalties at Anfield" which heaped pressure onto the ref and he gave a bad penalty to Man Utd. Then Shelvey was dismissed in a 50/50 with Evans (who this season is immune from punishment) Evans should have also been sent off but he wasn't even booked. Why? Because he plays for Manchester United of course!

The evidence is huge. When will people wake up
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It will be interesting to see what action is taken against Little Pea and the Chelsea fans at the 3rd goal. Little Pea clearly incited the Chelsea fans and made several gestures towards them, Chelsea fans responded with missiles, one of which hit a steward.

Man Utd faced NO ACTION following this disgraceful incident in which the player in question hadn't incited anything http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQWRlJ7RjWE

Strange really. They also faced no action for failing to control fans here and Garrido getting smacked on the head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeryDlVyCG4&feature=related

Why is this club never held accountable? And people still refuse to believe they don't get better treatment.....If Chelsea get a fine it will be an utter joke given what's gone before.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Interesting that Fergie had huge condemnation of Torres diving yet his team continue to set the standards. Where was the yellow cards for the Welbeck dive against Wigan (that won a penalty) Where was the yellow card for the Young dive against QPR (that won a penalty) Young dived again to win another penalty although I can't remember the team. It's always so hypocritical from Man Utd. Just imagine Fergie's reaction had those decisions been the other way round (not that that would be allowed to happen of course)

Did Ferguson make any comment about the booking for Valencia for the same offence of "diving" near to the end of the game?..... I just saw the match on MOTD2 and did not bother to watch any more after-match discussions, as I prefer to make my own decisions as to what had occurred.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

I note that in some "Rugby" matches, the referee has a microphone fitted so you can hear his comments on the match play. Has this ever been considered for football?

There was a match where a mic was worn for a TV programme....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnQ16KFDoA4

Not Tony Adams finest hour it must be said, but I can only imagine what it would pick up these days!

 

[David]

Alan Knill has gone!

However, Brian Laws is back, which I have mixed feelings about. He has led us to promotion twice before, but has some unconventional methods. Only time will tell if he is the right man to get us out of the mess we're in ....

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Alan Knill has gone!

However, Brian Laws is back, which I have mixed feelings about. He has led us to promotion twice before, but has some unconventional methods. Only time will tell if he is the right man to get us out of the mess we're in ....

Perhaps the Empress of Soul, Gladys Knight (with or without The Pips) will help your club celebrate the occasion by singing about the "Midnight Train to Scunthorpe" as a mark of celebration....

 

[JoeH]

Shelvey was dismissed in a 50/50 with Evans (who this season is immune from punishment) Evans should have also been sent off but he wasn't even booked. Why? Because he plays for Manchester United of course!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

After all these events this weekend, doesn't it seem that fate has played a hand in events, by deeming the Carling Cup match between Chelsea and Manchester United takes place on exactly the same ground only a matter of a few days afterwards...:roll:

 

[Butts]

I was at a Highland League match on Saturday - Deveronvale v Lossiemouth in Banff.

Lossiemouth went 2-0 up but Vale came back to win 3 -2 a great match

£8 to get in
£1.50 for a lovely pie
£1.00 for a Coffee.......and a great Custard Slice at 80p to finish

 

[David]

Big question has to be ....

Were you allowed to have a cigarette once you was at the ground?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I was at a Highland League match on Saturday - Deveronvale v Lossiemouth in Banff.

This season, it is not just "the elite few" who are way ahead of the field in the Highland League, as even Cove Rangers who are currently top have lost three games.

Regrettably, Fort William are still in their usual position at the bottom of the league.

 

[Butts]

Big question has to be ....

Were you allowed to have a cigarette once you was at the ground?

Yes indeed I was , only the stand is non-smoking - when I say stand I mean the stand as there is only one
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This season, it is not just "the elite few" who are way ahead of the field in the Highland League, as even Cove Rangers who are currently top have lost three games.

Regrettably, Fort William are still in their usual position at the bottom of the league.

Its a great afternoon out and good value for money in my view - one complaint I didn't win the raffle !!!

Point of interest it was a female ref

 

[richw]

In the media last week Some person of importance was urging people to save money and boycott the top leagues and go to your local clubs last week, and he reckoned you'd have a better afternoon.
Would people agree with him?

 

[David]

In the media last week Some person of importance was urging people to save money and boycott the top leagues and go to your local clubs last week, and he reckoned you'd have a better afternoon.
Would people agree with him?

I would say yes, as smaller clubs are more and more reliant on money from attendances than in the past. The reason being the likes of Man Utd, Liverpool, etc have worked out it's cheaper to poach a promising youngster before he turns 17, compared to buying him once he's 19/20 and has got a season or 2 experience of playing league football.

You do get the odd player who does sign for their hometown or local club then moves when they are 17-19, but they are the exception now. In order for more of these players to start their careers lower down the league ladder, the clubs need to invest in youth and training facilities, something they can only do if they have enough supporters coming through the gates every match.
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In the media last week Some person of importance was urging people to save money and boycott the top leagues and go to your local clubs last week, and he reckoned you'd have a better afternoon.
Would people agree with him?

I would say yes, as smaller clubs are more and more reliant on money from attendances than in the past. The reason being the likes of Man Utd, Liverpool, etc have worked out it's cheaper to poach a promising youngster before he turns 17, compared to buying him once he's 19/20 and has got a season or 2 experience of playing league football.

You do get the odd player who does sign for their hometown or local club then moves when they are 17-19, but they are the exception now. In order for more of these players to start their careers lower down the league ladder, the clubs need to invest in youth and training facilities, something they can only do if they have enough supporters coming through the gates every match.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Chelsea have submitted an official complaint re - Clattenburgs language to 2 players.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/28/uk-soccer-england-chelsea-referee-idUKBRE89R0IC20121028

I have just seen a sports newsflash that states that the FA say that the referee had a microphone with direct links to the two officials running the lines, so anything that this referee would have been said would have been heard by those two match officials, who will undoubtedly also be caused to appear before the same Commission of Inquiry that will be held to hear the matter that was made the subject of the formal complaint by Chelsea FC.

 

[balne-wonderer]

Evans going in with two feet! 100% sending off...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN67Z8Pl-YQ&feature=related

Look at this, Evans tackle is far worse than Shelveys but of course it's the Manchester United player that gets away with. How strange....Evans isn't allowed to get booked this season it seems.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Look at this, Evans tackle is far worse than Shelveys but of course it's the Manchester United player that gets away with. How strange....Evans isn't allowed to get booked this season it seems.

Perhaps Paul Scholes is the new "tackling coach" at Old Trafford....

Tackling today is not the same martial art form that it used to be when Norman "Bite yer legs" Hunter of Leeds United and Ron "Chopper" Harris of Chelsea were the finest exponents in the style of proper "blood and guts" tackling. Players today are far too soft..:roll:

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If Manchester United now have Rooney, Evans, Cleverley and Young immune from being sent off this season (as is claimed in some sources), did they take advantage of the "4 for 3" bribery offer run by the "secretive" FA department that appears to be in charge of this aspect of increasing the FA finances...

 

[JoeH]

Evans going in with two feet! 100% sending off...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN67Z8Pl-YQ&feature=related

Look at this, Evans tackle is far worse than Shelveys but of course it's the Manchester United player that gets away with. How strange....Evans isn't allowed to get booked this season it seems.

Evans gets the ball and Shelvey almost breaks a leg but somehow the Evans tackle is "far worse"?