The old Anglia TV ident music (what is it?)

[Harlesden]

During my early teens I was in the Anglia TV area before the mysterious decision to change North Lincolnshire's ITV contractor to Yorkshire TV.
As a youngster, I was always fascinated with the music accompanying the image of the knight sitting proudly on his horse, and I always assumed that the music had been specially created for Anglia TV's use.
I still have no idea what the short piece of majestic music actually is.

 

[Zoidberg]

The Interweb says it's part of Handel's Water Music, but was your post a ploy to expose folk to a religious outpouring

From Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlbgtjvISzo

The music that is heard when the knight is on air is part of Handel's Water Music, specially arranged for Anglia Television by Sir Malcolm Sargent.

 

[starrymarkb]

I seem to remember the National Trust used the same piece in their adverts when I was growing up.

 

[Harlesden]

The Interweb says it's part of Handel's Water Music, but was your post a ploy to expose folk to a religious outpouring

From Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlbgtjvISzo

Not at all Zoidberg. I have no strong religious convictions - wouldn't think of going inside a church and when Jehovah's Witnesses come calling, wish I had an old prison style slop bucket handy.

 

[High Dyke]

During my early teens I was in the Anglia TV area before the mysterious decision to change North Lincolnshire's ITV contractor to Yorkshire TV.
As a youngster, I was always fascinated with the music accompanying the image of the knight sitting proudly on his horse, and I always assumed that the music had been specially created for Anglia TV's use.
I still have no idea what the short piece of majestic music actually is, but now it seems Americans are using it in a video now being circulated on Facebook.
But what is the music?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wY_kD_QIUo

I too grew up on Anglia TV; though i was a bit too young to remember much about their style of programming. The switch in transmitters occured due to the introduction of UHF broadcasting, YTV had failed to gain the Bilsdale transmitter in North Yorkshire, which was allocated instead to Tyne Tees Television due to the transmitter's penetration into Teesside and County Durham. Partially to address this issue, in 1974 the Independent Broadcasting Authority reallocated the Belmont Transmitter, then served by Anglia Television, to YTV. Although the area served by Belmont was largely rural, it did cover the more industrial centres of Hull, Grimsby, Scunthorpe and Lincoln and it was felt the region would be better served from Leeds rather than from Norwich.

As it was Yorkshire did serve us, and parts of West Norfolk quite well. Their on-screen ident was based around the use of the station logo: the chevron. This yellow symbol was seen on nearly all Yorkshire Television's station identification films, or idents for short. The first symbol used was a black and white chevron, formed by slit-scan techniques and accompanied by an orchestral version of the tune On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at, a famous tune in Yorkshire. This music was later to become the station's signature tune. This ident continued until Colour television arrived to the region in the 1970s.

The new colour ident featured the yellow chevron on a black background with the caption Yorkshire Television Colour Production, which would appear suddenly, along with a simplified version of On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at. This was accompanied sometimes by a voiceover by Redvers Kyle proudly announcing "Yorkshire Television - In Colour." This ident was modified in 1981, so that the caption Colour Production was changed to In Colour, and in 1982 the colour caption was removed altogether. This new version also featured a deeper tune than previous.

 

[Harlesden]

Thanks for the great response, High Dyke. You made everything so clear, but the 1974 puzzled me as I left the area in July 1973 but seem to remember the change. I left the green and pleasant hills of Anglia/Yorkshire and began a new life watching Thames TV

 

[Butts]

I remember Anglia's knight and the music.....before...

"From Norwich it's the quiz of the week......"

Yes Nicholas Parsons and Sale of the Century - where someone who lived in a flat usually won a speedboat

Seriously I liked it when the various Logos came on before each programme on ITV.

The music for London Weekend Television was fab ....before Upstairs Downstairs.

Was Channel TV the only ITV contractor without a networked programme -even Border TV had Mr and Mrs with Derek Batey.

 

[Eagle]

Was Channel TV the only ITV contractor without a networked programme -even Border TV had Mr and Mrs with Derek Batey.

They produced the networked Saturday-night gameshow Simply the Best (in 2004).

 

[Butts]

They produced the networked Saturday-night gameshow Simply the Best (in 2004).

It couldn't have been that good - I can't remember it, who was the host ?

 

[Eagle]

The presenters were Phil Tufnell and Kirsty Gallacher, and you're right it was terrible, a lame It's a Knockout ripoff which got axed due to abysmal ratings.

 

[Butts]

The presenters were Phil Tufnell and Kirsty Gallacher, and you're right it was terrible, a lame It's a Knockout ripoff which got axed due to abysmal ratings.

Sounds like competition for Hilary Deveys "The Intern" in the shi*e stakes

 

[High Dyke]

Thanks for the great response, High Dyke. You made everything so clear, but the 1974 puzzled me as I left the area in July 1973 but seem to remember the change. I left the green and pleasant hills of Anglia/Yorkshire and began a new life watching Thames TV

It seems that when it was first built the ITA transmitter at Belmont transmitted Anglia, but from 1972 onwards the changeover to Yorkshire was carried out. Our tv aerial was always aligned to the BBC transmitter at Waltham-on-the-Wolds so probably gained better reception from there rather than Belmont, but we used to gain Yorkshire on the fringe of the main reception area, until the changeover occurred.

 

[WillPS]

I remember Anglia's knight and the music.....before...

"From Norwich it's the quiz of the week......"

Yes Nicholas Parsons and Sale of the Century - where someone who lived in a flat usually won a speedboat

Seriously I liked it when the various Logos came on before each programme on ITV.

The music for London Weekend Television was fab ....before Upstairs Downstairs.

Was Channel TV the only ITV contractor without a networked programme -even Border TV had Mr and Mrs with Derek Batey.

There are a few.

Ulster/UTV, Grampian, Westward, TSW and Westcountry contributed little or nothing to the network. Going way back I don't think TWW contributed either.

 

[Eagle]

There are a few.

Ulster/UTV, Grampian, Westward, TSW and Westcountry contributed little or nothing to the network. Going way back I don't think TWW contributed either.

TWW did the original version of Mr and Mrs (and its Welsh-language equivalent, which came first I think).

 

[starrymarkb]

There are a few.

Ulster/UTV, Grampian, Westward, TSW and Westcountry contributed little or nothing to the network. Going way back I don't think TWW contributed either.

TSW was notorious for not really being part of the network. They would opt out of a lot of network stuff to either do their own thing, or for Gus Honeybun.

 

[cmjcf]

TSW was notorious for not really being part of the network. They would opt out of a lot of network stuff to either do their own thing, or for Gus Honeybun.

Now who could forget That's My Dog?
There was a massive super-duper-mega-powerful receiving array on Alderney built specifically to be able to relay a feed from Westward or Southern (as was). When TSW got rather parochial about things, CTV were thankful for this, at it allowed them to switch to TVS. Most locals would remember this as that time they lost their place in the soaps - most of the Australian imports had been purchased by the regions individually, and rarely were two regions in the same place on any of them.

To answer the original question very specifically, it was an arrangement of a theme from the second movement of the second Water Music suite (HWV 349, 2. alla hornpipe).

 

[reb0118]

............and when Jehovah's Witnesses come calling, wish I had an old prison style slop bucket handy.

I find it most effective to state that you are a RC as they usually scurry off. Got caught out once when I had forgotton to remove my sash after a local lodge meeting.

During my early teens I was in the Anglia TV area before the mysterious decision to change North Lincolnshire's ITV contractor to Yorkshire TV.

Was this to do with part of Lincolnshire becoming Humberside (along with East Yorkshire) in the seventies? I suppose somebody thought it made sense?

 

[transmanche]

Was this to do with part of Lincolnshire becoming Humberside (along with East Yorkshire) in the seventies? I suppose somebody thought it made sense?

No, it was a rearrangement of the broadcast areas as the UHF network (625 line) came on stream - the original network being VHF on the 405-line system.

A new UHF transmitter at Bilsdale (which would cover Teesside and North Yorkshire) was allocated to Tyne-Tees. So as 'compensation', the transmitter at Belmont (near Market Rasen) was reallocated from Anglia to Yorkshire.

 

[Requeststop]

Not at all Zoidberg. I have no strong religious convictions - wouldn't think of going inside a church and when Jehovah's Witnesses come calling, wish I had an old prison style slop bucket handy.

I'm a Jehovah's Bystander. I don't like getting involved.

Westward Television was absolutely superb. Never bettered by any ITV company. They gave us regional programmes and programmes for children other than Gus Honeybun. TSW was Westward with a flashier logo. Westcountry was and still is rubbish. No on-screen presenters, no decent programmes. There are people in Devon and Cornwall who still refer to ITV as Westward to this day.

Westward and TSW had networked programmes such as About Britain. Sports and religious programmes and the occasional drama's. Networked shows from the two companies was from ATV and Central TV in Birmingham.

I remember seeing other non-networked shows from Channel TV and Southern and TVS.

 

[Phil6219]

I'm firmly in Granadaland but do remember HTV, Anglia, Yorkshire, TTTV, Border and Channel from various holidays around the country as a youngster. When I was older I retuned my TV (thanks in part to a new bigger Ariel) which allowed me to pick up Yorkshire, HTV and even Central. That was particularly handy as I had gotten rather addicted to "Nuts & Bolts" HTV's own Welsh Language soap (despite not actually speaking the language myself).

I preferred watching S4C as well instead of Channel 4, when I moved to Bristol I made S4C my primary channel and bumped Channel 4 to number 7.

I have fond memories of the in-vision continuity announcers on Granada, the person that mostly sticks in my mind is Colin Weston who I'm sure I read somewhere originally worked over at Anglia.

On the whole it is a shame what happened to ITV, it was unique when it had a lot of local programming and now they are desperate to compete with everyone else on the multi-channel services. I'm not going to get into it as I said my bit several years ago on one of the TV Forums websites, what I will say is that nothing has changed really since the merger.

Oh my mate burned me a nice little DVD a few years ago, from when TSW broadcast the Original Star Wars movie, when it was simply called "Star Wars", complete with TSW Ident and introduction

Phil

 

[Butts]

One exciting aspect of the process was when a Contactor actually changed at the end of a Franchise.

I was fortunate enough to witness on the screen the switch from Southern to TVS and ATV to Central.

Thinking of it I wonder which franchises changed identity the most until The Carlton/Granada conglomerate sucked them all up apart from STV and UTV to become just ITV.

 

[transmanche]

Thinking of it I wonder which franchises changed identity the most until The Carlton/Granada conglomerate sucked them all up apart from STV and UTV to become just ITV.

I think that would be the south (Southern/TVS/Meridian) and the southwest (Westward/TSW/Westcountry).

The Midlands also technically had three different franchises at weekends - as it used to have ATV weekdays and ABC weekends, then ATV all week and finally Central.

 

[Eagle]

I think that would be the south (Southern/TVS/Meridian) and the southwest (Westward/TSW/Westcountry).

The Midlands also technically had three different franchises at weekends - as it used to have ATV weekdays and ABC weekends, then ATV all week and finally Central.

Also London Weekday, originally Rediffusion (1955-68), then Thames (1968-92), then Carlton (1993-present as constituent of ITV plc). Although Thames was formed from the merger of Rediff and ABC.

 

[Butts]

Another interesting fact is at the end of some BBC Programmes now it will be revealed as.....

An ITV Studios Production for the BBC

In the only days only "What the Papers Say" was a Granada Production for the BBC.

Mind you it started on ITV, went to Channel Four and then on to BBC2 before ending up on Radio Four - I don't think any other original programme has spanned as many networks.

 

[Phil6219]

Thinking of it I wonder which franchises changed identity the most until The Carlton/Granada conglomerate sucked them all up apart from STV and UTV to become just ITV.

Don't forget Channel is still independent, or at least was the last time I checked...

In the only days only "What the Papers Say" was a Granada Production for the BBC.

Wasn't University Challenge done by Granada for the BBC, still is I believe?

Phil

 

[Eagle]

Don't forget Channel is still independent, or at least was the last time I checked...

Last time you checked must have been a while ago. ITV bought CTV in 2011.

 

[Phil6219]

Aye, would have been around 2003-2004 when I last checked

Phil