First West of England (Bristol, Bath & The West)

[Ivo]

Have VOSA gone on strike or something? There doesn't seem to have been one single entry in any Traffic Area at all since Tuesday! (Unless I'm missing something?)

41731 still in London red seen in Camborne this week and 41143 still about. Look rather odd with their dual door layout in the case of the former. Ex Bath Vario 52554 has also re-appeared on services 40 / 42.

I never really appreciated 52554 until literally its last few weeks in Bath. It was usually found on the 17 - itself an imminently dead duck at the time and now consigned to history - but somehow managed to find its way onto the University routes three times in the space of two weeks! It will be strange going to Westbury on Saturday knowing that the last time I went there I had 52554 on the 15 hock:

 

[83G/84D]

Ivo,

52554 still looks and sounds in good nick compared to many of the Cornish Darts with scrapes and dents all over them, sadly it's stay in Cornwall will probably relatively short lived due to the DDA regulations due into force in the not too distant future.

Anyway hope you enjoy your new buses in Bath (streetlites?) and when I am next in the area visiting my sister I will try to find a few hours to visit Bath.

It will be nice to see a new bus as we don't see any in Cornwall!

 

[DaveHarries]

Have VOSA gone on strike or something? There doesn't seem to have been one single entry in any Traffic Area at all since Tuesday! (Unless I'm missing something?)

You aren't missing anything. The last entries were put up opn Monday and I have been wondering what has happened as well.

Dave

 

[sonic2009]

Could it be something to do with strike action? Tax Credits have mentioned it on the phone lines

 

[Ivo]

Could it be something to do with strike action? Tax Credits have mentioned it on the phone lines

I had intended "strike" to be a joke, but if it's actually true...

 

[pompeyfan]

East Hampshire has had a slight swap, with 3 minibuses heading to Hoeford from Hilsea, with 42783 doing the opposite journey.

 

[Ivo]

What is wrong with Hampshire anyway? Why do they feel the need to chop and change half the network every three months? Both Portsmouth and Southampton are having substantial changes again this month, although at least they aren't being done simultaneously because that would be even more confusing!

Also, do the B- and H- prefix routes really carry enough passengers to justify their existence?

 

[baza585]

What is wrong with Hampshire anyway? Why do they feel the need to chop and change half the network every three months? Both Portsmouth and Southampton are having substantial changes again this month, although at least they aren't being done simultaneously because that would be even more confusing!

Also, do the B- and H- prefix routes really carry enough passengers to justify their existence?

The Pompey changes are largely driven by Portsmouth council funding cuts, although they are also tinkering with a couple of routes which frankly they didn't get quite right in March.

The B- and H- routes are tenders from Southampton and Hampshire councils repectively. Presumably if they were not viable even with the subsidy, First would hand them back. In terms of subsidy per passenger, I think they are both vulnerable if further cost savings are required. Based on my observations, the B1/2/3 carry almost exclusively passholders.

 

[ryson357]

Looked at traveline and X14 will definitely all operate by First. Stagecoach will no longer operate the service. However First will no longer operate the 14's. However i looked at the new X10 timetable and i still looks like one journey will still continue to Magor.

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/TTB/EFA01__000010a8_TP.pdf

 

[sonic2009]

Could it be something to do with strike action? Tax Credits have mentioned it on the phone lines

I had intended "strike" to be a joke, but if it's actually true...

It's a government department so they may have been on strike.
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Looked at traveline and X14 will definitely all operate by First. Stagecoach will no longer operate the service. However First will no longer operate the 14's. However i looked at the new X10 timetable and i still looks like one journey will still continue to Magor.

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/TTB/EFA01__000010a8_TP.pdf

So does this mean that Stagecoach will no longer run to Bristol? If so that's a shame I remember when I did a trip from Tewkesbury to Bristol via Gloucester, Hereford, Abergavenny & Newport all on a Stagecoach West explorer.

 

[ValleyLines142]

Looked at traveline and X14 will definitely all operate by First. Stagecoach will no longer operate the service. However First will no longer operate the 14's. However i looked at the new X10 timetable and i still looks like one journey will still continue to Magor.

http://www.travelinesw.com/swe/TTB/EFA01__000010a8_TP.pdf

Is this true? Ah, that's annoying. Only because my friend has the green Concessionary Bus Pass in Wales and he can use it to go to and from Cwmbran/Newport and Bristol on the X14 right through (as long as his journey starts to/from Wales - i.e. he couldn't go from Cribbs Causeway to Bristol centre, for example). Only Stagecoach do this though; First don't accept them on the English side! (I think if he went on a First service he'd go from Newport to Chepstow for free on the pass but then he'd have to pay to go from Chepstow to Bristol on the English side!!)

Unless First are planning on changing this because Concessionary Pass holders will have to pay to go to Bristol on it!

 

[WelshBluebird]

I have a feeling I may have asked this before, but as they are still not in use I'll ask again. Any one have any idea when the new bus stops outside the new vaults development by Bath Spa station will be brought into use?

 

[DaveHarries]

It seems that the VOSA site has finally updated and by the looks of it a number of recent rumours seem to be true. The registrations from Friday 07th June contain a lot of stuff from First S&A as follows:

Variations:
1 North Sydenham - Rhode Lane (Bridgwater) (Route & Timetable)
1, 1A Wellsprings Rd - Calder Cresc / Juniper Rd (Taunton) (Route & Timetable)
3 Nerrolls Farm - Bishops Hull (Taunton) (Route & Timetable)
4 Laxton Road - Queensway (Taunton) (Route & Timetable)
21 Newbridge Park & Ride (Bath)
21, 21A Taunton - Burnham-on-Sea (Route & Timetable)
22, 22A Taunton - Tonedale (Route & Timetable)
25, 25A Taunton - Dulverton (Timetable only)
28, X28 Minehead - Taunton (Timetable only)
30 Frome Local Service (Route & Timetable)
31 Lansdown Park & Ride (Bath)
161 Wells - From (Route & Timetable)
173 Bath - Wells (Timetable only)
177, 178 Bath - Bristol (Timetable only)
184 Bath - Frome (Timetable only)
231, 232 Bath - Chippenham (Route & Timetable)
234 Frome - Chippenham (Route & Timetable)
235, 236 Melksham - Trowbridge (Route & Timetable)
260, 263 Trowbridge Locals (Route & Timetable)
264, 265 Bath - Warminster (Route & Timetable)
267 Bath - Frome (Timetable only)
271 Bath - Easterton (Route & Timetable)

New Services:
2 Taunton Local
5 Taunton Local
6 Taunton Local
265 Warminster - Salisbury

Cancelled Services:
1 Sand Bay - Weston-super-Mare
2 Bus Station - Heathcombe Road (Bridgwater)
3 Kings Down - Stockmoor (Bridgwater)
14 Worle Sainsburys - Town Centre (Weston local)
24 Warminster - Salisbury (Wiltshire Buses)
92, 192 Taunton - Exeter
174 Bus Station - Churchill Road (Wells local)
263 Trowbridge Circular
622 Taunton Bus Station - Bridgwater College

The above changes to take effect 28th July 2013.

A bit more detail / some suggestions:

- Service 24 (WB) will be replaced by the extension to the 265
- Service 174 (Wells): linked to 161 changes
- Service 263 (Trowbridge): evening services - may be included on the 260 registration?
- Service 622: might be incorporated into the 21 / 21A registration?
- It is believed that Service 161 will be reduced to operate every 2 hours but this has not yet been officially confirmed.

In addition, CT Coaches have registered change(s) to Service 768 which services Writhlington and there are also changes to Service 178 journeys from Bath in the evenings. Both of these concern the addition of evening journeys serving Writhlington.

HTIOI,
Dave

 

[Ivo]

Someone's been lying to me I was specifically told that there would not be an extension to Salisbury.

Anyhow, it looks like I have a lot of work ahead of me, so at some point in the near future I will all but disappear from this thread for a short while - but not before the full details of these changes emerge. I was advised that most changes will affect Bath Country and Taunton, with a few withdrawals elsewhere.

I also see what is meant by the large-scale changes to services around Taunton. They are apparently going some way to negating the previous route mergers I alluded to in my history post a couple of weeks ago. They are also introducing a new route 2; compae this to the media error which suggested the 2 - as opposed to the 92 - was being withdrawn!

So, anyone fancy a ride on the 1 around Weston while we still can? Or any other routes for that matter? I personally need to use cancelled routes 1, 2, 3, 14, 92 and 263 - subject to the latter possibly being merged into one registration with the 260 of course.

Also, a reminder: The Streetlites should start service on the X39 during the next week.

I have a feeling I may have asked this before, but as they are still not in use I'll ask again. Any one have any idea when the new bus stops outside the new vaults development by Bath Spa station will be brought into use?

Short Answer: No.
Long Answer: Hopefully come the new academic year in September, because the apparent flaw of being sited to close to the road has been sorted but there is just no need for it at present due to the 15 being so quiet (I am led to believe that the 15 will be the biggest beneficiary).

So does this mean that Stagecoach will no longer run to Bristol? If so that's a shame I remember when I did a trip from Tewkesbury to Bristol via Gloucester, Hereford, Abergavenny & Newport all on a Stagecoach West explorer.

In theory, yes...

 

[ryson357]

It seems that the VOSA site has finally updated and by the looks of it a number of recent rumours seem to be true. The registrations from Friday 07th June contain a lot of stuff from First S&A as follows:

Variations:
1 North Sydenham - Rhode Lane (Bridgwater) (Route & Timetable)
1, 1A Wellsprings Rd - Calder Cresc / Juniper Rd (Taunton) (Route & Timetable)
3 Nerrolls Farm - Bishops Hull (Taunton) (Route & Timetable)
4 Laxton Road - Queensway (Taunton) (Route & Timetable)
21 Newbridge Park & Ride (Bath)
21, 21A Taunton - Burnham-on-Sea (Route & Timetable)
22, 22A Taunton - Tonedale (Route & Timetable)
25, 25A Taunton - Dulverton (Timetable only)
28, X28 Minehead - Taunton (Timetable only)
30 Frome Local Service (Route & Timetable)
31 Lansdown Park & Ride (Bath)
161 Wells - From (Route & Timetable)
173 Bath - Wells (Timetable only)
177, 178 Bath - Bristol (Timetable only)
184 Bath - Frome (Timetable only)
231, 232 Bath - Chippenham (Route & Timetable)
234 Frome - Chippenham (Route & Timetable)
235, 236 Melksham - Trowbridge (Route & Timetable)
260, 263 Trowbridge Locals (Route & Timetable)
264, 265 Bath - Warminster (Route & Timetable)
267 Bath - Frome (Timetable only)
271 Bath - Easterton (Route & Timetable)

New Services:
2 Taunton Local
5 Taunton Local
6 Taunton Local
265 Warminster - Salisbury

Cancelled Services:
1 Sand Bay - Weston-super-Mare
2 Bus Station - Heathcombe Road (Bridgwater)
3 Kings Down - Stockmoor (Bridgwater)
14 Worle Sainsburys - Town Centre (Weston local)
24 Warminster - Salisbury (Wiltshire Buses)
92, 192 Taunton - Exeter
174 Bus Station - Churchill Road (Wells local)
263 Trowbridge Circular
622 Taunton Bus Station - Bridgwater College

The above changes to take effect 28th July 2013.

A bit more detail / some suggestions:

- Service 24 (WB) will be replaced by the extension to the 265
- Service 174 (Wells): linked to 161 changes
- Service 263 (Trowbridge): evening services - may be included on the 260 registration?
- Service 622: might be incorporated into the 21 / 21A registration?
- It is believed that Service 161 will be reduced to operate every 2 hours but this has not yet been officially confirmed.

In addition, CT Coaches have registered change(s) to Service 768 which services Writhlington and there are also changes to Service 178 journeys from Bath in the evenings. Both of these concern the addition of evening journeys serving Writhlington.

HTIOI,
Dave

Wow big Changes ahead. So it is true about the Salisbury bus. Wonder what the timetables will be like. Have to find out in a week or so. Some of the changes are a bit confusing:

New Services 2, 5 and 6 - Where abouts are they going in Taunton?
Service 21 and 21A - Are they bringing back 21A? Maybe to replace service 3 to stockmoor?
Service 192 - Thought that service got withdrawn ages ago?
Service 263 - What is going on? One post says 260 and 263 Variation and the other 263 Withdrawn.

 

[Ivo]

Some of the changes are a bit confusing:

Service 21 and 21A - Are they bringing back 21A?
Service 192 - Thought that service got withdrawn ages ago?
Service 263 - What is going on? One post says 260 and 263 Variation and the other 263 Withdrawn.

What the registrations show as operating are not *necessarily* accurate, provided the timetable data is correct. It is likely that the 260 and 263 registrations are simply being merged, while the 21A and 192 have presumably simply been left on the registration as theoretical operations. To my knowledge there is nothing against the rules that would outlaw this, because ultimately it's just how the route is registered - much like how route identifiers are often inaccurate (e.g. the 14 in Bath still shows Upper Weston). Similarly, there is nothing against lumping loads of different routes together provided they have a 50% similarity - even if they are numbered 1, 2 3 and 489!

As an example of this, the 9 in Southend still shows a 9A on the registration, even though such a route has not formally existed for a very long time (if ever?). In fact, it has not been used at all since roughly 2000 or so - and even then it was not a formal variation and instead existed to remove a low-floor guarantee that caused problems when Volvo Olympians came out to play on Saturdays...

Otherwise, I cannot yet comment on the Tanton and Bridgwater routes. We all knew that Bridgwater was having a town overhaul - by my reckoning it *is* possible to do the whole lot on one town route, if the area around Northfield (on the 2) is left behind - but all I know for Taunton is that a massive opverhaul has been planned for July, and now we are starting to see the fruits of this shift. We will soon found out for certain...

 

[ryson357]

What the registrations show as operating are not *necessarily* accurate, provided the timetable data is correct. It is likely that the 260 and 263 registrations are simply being merged, while the 21A and 192 have presumably simply been left on the registration as theoretical operations. To my knowledge there is nothing against the rules that would outlaw this, because ultimately it's just how the route is registered - much like how route identifiers are often inaccurate (e.g. the 14 in Bath still shows Upper Weston). Similarly, there is nothing against lumping loads of different routes together provided they have a 50% similarity - even if they are numbered 1, 2 3 and 489!



Otherwise, I cannot yet comment on the Tanton and Bridgwater routes. We all knew that Bridgwater was having a town overhaul - by my reckoning it *is* possible to do the whole lot on one town route, if the area around Northfield (on the 2) is left behind - but all I know for Taunton is that a massive opverhaul has been planned for July, and now we are starting to see the fruits of this shift. We will soon found out for certain...

Oh ok thanks

 

[DaveHarries]

I sent Webberbus a Facebook message this morning wondering, out of interest, if they had any plans for a response to the withdrawl by First of routes 2 and 3. In reply, WB have said that they "are currently looking at a number of options in response to First withdrawing their services."

Could be interesting. I suppose one answer might be for WB to divert their 15 & 15A via. Stockmoor to cover the southern end of Service 3 but we shall see what they come up with. Could also be that First divert the 21 / 21A to cover Stockmoor Village but we shall soon see.

Dave

 

[Ivo]

I went to a public forum with South Gloucestershire Council in Kingswood yesterday, and whilst there I learned a few things. Before I say what though, apparently Richard Lewis was expected - and didn't turn up. I might have to have a few words with him By contrast, two Wessex managers did turn up - apparently in previous meetings their repeated absence has been a concern - and also the man behind Abus and one of the Bristol Greyhound Pier Buses guys. Apparently Wessex are planning to standardise their fleet colours in red/silver for Bristol and blue/silver for Bath, but unless I'm mistaken that should already be the case and it's only because of their own incompetence that it isn't!

Anyhow, I can also confirm that the previously suggested changes for September are defnitely going ahead, with a provisional date of the 1st - as I had predicted away from this forum. The routes I have been advised of so far that will change are the 4, 5, 24 and 25 in Bristol - keep an eye on the latter pair - and the 15 in Bath (as usual). Numerous other changes are also expected for Bristol, but I can't comment any further just yet because this is all I have been told. I suspect changes are planned for the 75/76, and also some of the Night routes. And speaking of Night routes, the 43/44, 48, 70 and 73 are said to be doing very well, as is the 24/7 operation on the 75, but the others (40, 54, 90) may need some work.
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For anyone who hasn't seen it, Clevedon is now in Bristol Zone 3 for ticketing purposes. An incentive to stop the guys at Bristol Greyhound, which would be withdrawn if they were to go under? Most likely...

I am led to believe that the 354 and 361/2/3 may be changing for the better later in the year.

 

[vicbury]

I went to a public forum with South Gloucestershire Council in Kingswood yesterday, and whilst there I learned a few things. Before I say what though, apparently Richard Lewis was expected - and didn't turn up. I might have to have a few words with him By contrast, two Wessex managers did turn up - apparently in previous meetings their repeated absence has been a concern - and also the man behind Abus and one of the Bristol Greyhound Pier Buses guys. Apparently Wessex are planning to standardise their fleet colours in red/silver for Bristol and blue/silver for Bath, but unless I'm mistaken that should already be the case and it's only because of their own incompetence that it isn't!

Surely Wessex should be using (Bristol) Blue in Bristol and some other colour in Bath? On first impressions I'm not wholly impressed with Pier Buses. Last time I saw one of their vehicles one of the tail light clusters was hanging off the back!

Anyhow, I can also confirm that the previously suggested changes for September are defnitely going ahead, with a provisional date of the 1st - as I had predicted away from this forum. The routes I have been advised of so far that will change are the 4, 5, 24 and 25 in Bristol - keep an eye on the latter pair - and the 15 in Bath (as usual). Numerous other changes are also expected for Bristol, but I can't comment any further just yet because this is all I have been told. I suspect changes are planned for the 75/76, and also some of the Night routes. And speaking of Night routes, the 43/44, 48, 70 and 73 are said to be doing very well, as is the 24/7 operation on the 75, but the others (40, 54, 90) may need some work.
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For anyone who hasn't seen it, Clevedon is now in Bristol Zone 3 for ticketing purposes. An incentive to stop the guys at Bristol Greyhound, which would be withdrawn if they were to go under? Most likely...

I am led to believe that the 354 and 361/2/3 may be changing for the better later in the year.

What changes would you expect for the 75/76 and night routes? Improvements or otherwise?

Good to hear that the night routes are doing well, hopefully that will encourage First to roll them out to other areas in the region. I've not really commented on it before but I think the changes that were made to the 14 in Bath with an improved frequency until ~ 2130 and a decreased frequency after are definitely for the better. The frequency used to tail off after 1800 but now it is much better and loadings seem to be good too. Having the 1 running to Upper Weston all night also mitigates the cuts to the 14 after 2130 so all in all it has worked out quite nicely for me!

Whilst I'm talking about the 14, why does it seem to be operated almost exclusively with those dreadful S-reg Darts at the moment?!

 

[DaveHarries]

[...] but the others (40, 54, 90) may need some work.[...]

Is this just to do with timing or something else? I ask as someone who prefers to use the night 40s instead of getting a taxi. On another note I am surprised that nothing has been done to replace the N5.

Dave

 

[Ivo]

Something I forgot to mention: The X14 is being rerouted via UWE and Filton. As such, I doubt it will still serve Westbury, athough I havent (yet) seen anythinhg confirming this.

What changes would you expect for the 75/76 and night routes? Improvements or otherwise?

The Council suggested that improvements are planned for the Night rotues that are doing well, so maybe an increase in how long they run for may be on the cards (optimistic surely?) - I don't knoiw. As for the 75/76, I am quietly confident that a 10-minute frequency might be initiated on Sundays along the shared routes (i.e. 20 each), although this is just an idea. I now know that my ASDA night loop idea won't happen, because First are worried that it might generate more complaints than satisafcation - along the lines of "Why don't you do it all the time?" - as per the 42 extension to Keynsham. (Honestly...!)

Whilst I'm talking about the 14, why does it seem to be operated almost exclusively with those dreadful S-reg Darts at the moment?!

I won't complain - makes them easier to avoid!

Is this just to do with timing or something else? I ask as someone who prefers to use the night 40s instead of getting a taxi. On another note I am surprised that nothing has been done to replace the N5.

I always expected the 40 to be the weak link to be honest, with the 90 second. Some of the areas it goes through don't seem like your typical bus areas to me, especially around Sneyd Park, although I may of course be wrong. I don't see what effect the timings could have on it either. As for the N5, I guess it was too close to the 54 and 90 routes to be a concern - but as has been discussed here before, the day equivalents of the N5 (the 20 and 51) aren't exactly heavy-hitters either.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Whilst I'm talking about the 14, why does it seem to be operated almost exclusively with those dreadful S-reg Darts at the moment?!

I'm not complaining either - would make it easier to find for dart bashing

 

[Ivo]

I'm not complaining either - would make it easier to find for dart bashing

Why would you want to bash one of those things...?

If you want to bash Darts (again), the smaller R-reg ones are much better. Or go down to Wells and dig out a Step Dart on a Country route - it won't take that long. Just beware that the upcoming changes may necessitate (or facilitate) the withdrawal of a Step Dart or two...

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Why would you want to bash one of those things...?

If you want to bash Darts (again), the smaller R-reg ones are much better. Or go down to Wells and dig out a Step Dart on a Country route - it won't take that long. Just beware that the upcoming changes may necessitate (or facilitate) the withdrawal of a Step Dart or two...

Or try the 231. 46225 is a seemingly regular machine on there; passed it again last night at Corsham!!

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Seen a a couple on the 231, usually happens when there are a couple of other step entrances on offer! Last time I saw a steppy on the 231, I was pulled away to do the N reg dart on the 319, that was a cracking run.

Only done one 'S' reg dart on the 234 at night, driver was giving it some thrash down the A roads, so I quite like the S reg darts for the Dart engines. The ride isn't the best but then it's not the worst either, I find the Solo's and that Prima are dodgy rides. I actually remember one driver telling me he liked any Dart though they are gas guzzlers, and said the only good thing about a Solo is the engine. I admit some of the ones have a good sound, but that is it.

I note in the changes the 234 has another route/timetable alteration in the VOSA list, wonder if they'll change the route up the Chippenham end, since last time it said route change, the terminus at Frome was altered. Or it might be something to do with Sunday trials? I'd like to see that.

Is there a date when the 1 Sand Bay route is ending? Would like to go on it's final day with the CityBus and Olympian in operation, I guess these will be either sold on, moved on, or scrapped afterwards..

 

[Ivo]

Outline Changes for 28th July in Bath and Wells

Bath Park & Ride: Saturday timetable for the 21 and 31 swapped to provide more capacity during the day at Lansdown - by which time Newbridge is usually full meaning buses are empty.
30: Saturday service withdrawn.
161: Reduced to two-hourly between Shepton Mallet and Frome.
173, etc: Timetable recast to provide even service on A367 corridor. Additional journeys on 173 (including later last buses). SET TO BECOME 15-MINUTE SERVICE IN SEPTEMBER.
231/2: 232 variant withdrawn leaving 30-minute service on 231. Timetable recast to provide better links at Chippenham station.
234: Revised to terminate at Frome Sainsbury's once again.
Trowbridge Town: 235 withdrawn; additional extended 236s to cover. No known changes to 260/263 other than renewed contracts.
264/5: One route through Winsley withdrawn; other to run every 30 minutes (not sure which). 265 to continue to Salisbury on a commercial basis.
267: Recast, including Sunday service.
271/2: Revised route through Melksham which sees all journeys run through Melksham Forest area; that said, 271 route through Forest believed to be withdrawn!

Changes for other areas to be confirmed soon (hopefully Friday)

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Outline Changes for 28th July in Bath and Wells

Bath Park & Ride: Saturday timetable for the 21 and 31 swapped to provide more capacity during the day at Lansdown - by which time Newbridge is usually full meaning buses are empty.
30: Saturday service withdrawn.
161: Reduced to two-hourly between Shepton Mallet and Frome.
173, etc: Timetable recast to provide even service on A367 corridor. Additional journeys on 173 (including later last buses). SET TO BECOME 15-MINUTE SERVICE IN SEPTEMBER.
231/2: 232 variant withdrawn leaving 30-minute service on 231. Timetable recast to provide better links at Chippenham station.
234: Revised to terminate at Frome Sainsbury's once again.
Trowbridge Town: 235 withdrawn; additional extended 236s to cover. No known changes to 260/263 other than renewed contracts.
264/5: One route through Winsley withdrawn; other to run every 30 minutes (not sure which). 265 to continue to Salisbury on a commercial basis.
267: Recast, including Sunday service.
271/2: Revised route through Melksham which sees all journeys run through Melksham Forest area; that said, 271 route through Forest believed to be withdrawn!

Changes for other areas to be confirmed soon (hopefully Friday)

So the 265 will operate via Sally in the Woods and Monkton Farleigh, in the style of the old X4 from deregulation times up until about 2001?

The 267 getting a Sunday service.... that an hourly service??

Good to see the Bath to MSN corridor getting the treatment. Will the Sunday service get a proper clockface timetable?

 

[Colly405]

Something I forgot to mention: The X14 is being rerouted via UWE and Filton. As such, I doubt it will still serve Westbury, athough I havent (yet) seen anythinhg confirming this.

Traveline has the times up. It's stops in England are shown as just Bus Station - Cabot Circus - UWE - Filton College - Royal Mail - Cribbs - Aust M48. So the X14 is limited stop through Filton, but the X11 is all stops... And no sign of Westbury (but the First X14 doesn't serve Westbury now anyway, it is just the Stagecoach X14 that does).

 

[Ivo]

Other routes xpected to change in September include the 18 (duh) and the 379. The latter is not expected to go backwards, which is enouraging, but may be switched to Bristol operation.

So the 265 will operate via Sally in the Woods and Monkton Farleigh, in the style of the old X4 from deregulation times up until about 2001?

Not knowing what the route was like then, I couldn't comment. Sorry

The 267 getting a Sunday service.... that an hourly service?

The 267 already has a Sunday service, but it only runs four times a day. I don't think this frequency is changing - there just isn't enough demand, especially among the intermediate villages.

Good to see the Bath to MSN corridor getting the treatment. Will the Sunday service get a proper clockface timetable?

No idea. Truth be told, I doubt it - but when the corridor had a 15-minute service before, the Sunday service ran every 30 minutes, so maybe...

Traveline has the times up. It's stops in England are shown as just Bus Station - Cabot Circus - UWE - Filton College - Royal Mail - Cribbs - Aust M48. So the X14 is limited stop through Filton, but the X11 is all stops... And no sign of Westbury (but the First X14 doesn't serve Westbury now anyway, it is just the Stagecoach X14 that does).

Last I knew First's X14 still served Westbury hock: