Company Uniforms and RMT Ties

[PacerFace]

Just an observation I've been making as I watch guards checking tickets up and down the train that some of them wear RMT union ties with their Northern uniforms, now the ones I have seen are a burgundy red or blue/green with RMT on but it got me thinking that they don't exactly go with the company colours, what are the rules on this as far as the uniform goes.

Personally I think a little RMT clip badge on the tie or on the jacket would be better.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

I can't speak for all train companies, but those I have worked for allow staff to wear a company tie or a union tie. They could also wear a union badge provided it is not too prominent.

 

[A-driver]

There arnt any rules about matching the colour scheme, no. Most companies agree to union ties, lanyards and badges being worn.

 

[telstarbox]

I'd like to see some of the BR special ties:

86. Ties Everything had to have a tie. Every project, every region, every business sector, every business sub sector, every depot, every new train. BR must have kept the bespoke ties industry in business.

http://www.alycidon.com/ALYCIDON RAIL/Archive misc/100 factors that defined BR.htm
(That whole article is interesting reading!)

 

[asylumxl]

They're extremely useful really... When you don't see anyone wearing them it means there is probably a strike .

 

[Darren R]

I was tremendously impressed last week to see a Northern guard wearing an RMT tie which also had the crest of the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway beneath the RMT logo. Very smart it was too!

 

[175001]

And that would be one of our proud Manchester Victoria branch ties!

 

[Starmill]

Saw a SWT guard wearing a 'Right Time Railway' lanyard the other day.

Imagine someone from Northern wearing one of those

 

[causton]

Saw a SWT guard wearing a 'Right Time Railway' lanyard the other day.

Imagine someone from Northern wearing one of those

I think most SWT staff have one of those... however when I went over to the Island Line I never saw a staff member there with one on, which was good as I saw a train which arrived early but the guard was chatting to the vendor of the cafe at one of the stations for long enough to delay the train by a few minutes - a lot more relaxed down there!

 

[dk1]

Greater Anglia drivers are permitted to wear union ties but not other members of staff. They are allowed to wear a union badge though.

 

[313103]

I see Greater Anglia encourage divide and rule for its employees! And of course so much for equality that aslef members (by being drivers) are allowed and encourage to advertise their trade union, yet all other staff (tradionaly RMT) are not allowedto show support for their trade union. A sort of one rule for them and one rule for us.

As an aside i wear my union tie 95% of the time, the other 5% i will have my company tie on.

 

[ANorthernGuard]

I see Greater Anglia encourage divide and rule for its employees! And of course so much for equality that aslef members (by being drivers) are allowed and encourage to advertise their trade union, yet all other staff (tradionaly RMT) are not allowedto show support for their trade union. A sort of one rule for them and one rule for us.

As an aside i wear my union tie 95% of the time, the other 5% i will have my company tie on.

well we all know how aslef like to divide and rule for the benefits of themselves and to the detriment of others but thats another discussion I am the same though regarding ties I wear mine most of the time, I only wear the compant one when the union one is getting washed.

 

[Solent&Wessex]

I am a union member but DO NOT agree with the wearing of union ties for one's normal day to day duties.

Who pays your wages and who do you work for - Train Company X or the trade union?

I have no objection to the wearing of ties when conducting union duties, such as LLC days, representation, meetings etc, but when working trains or in the public gaze I firmly believe that a uniform is a uniform and should be worn.

 

[bnm]

Indeed, I can't think of any other industry where public facing staff are allowed such leeway with their employer's uniform policy.

A pin badge, yes. But not a tie.

 

[The Barlow Boy]

Greater Anglia drivers are permitted to wear union ties but not other members of staff. They are allowed to wear a union badge though.

No doubt because their A.S.L.E .& F. branch stamped their little feet and threatened to go on strike if they weren't allowed to. I am not aware of any other organisation that allows it's staff to deviate from it's uniform policy.

 

[A-driver]

No doubt because their A.S.L.E .& F. branch stamped their little feet and threatened to go on strike if they weren't allowed to. I am not aware of any other organisation that allows it's staff to deviate from it's uniform policy.

Sorry but stuff like that isn't worth posting. You really think drivers would be prepared to loose a day or twos pay in order to wear a tie?! Any chance to do a bit of union bashing and there are people on here all over it even just making such ill-thought out and stupid comments like that which no one is realistically going to believe.

Normally anything like this is agreed out of a pay negotiation and few TOCs are really going to care what tie their drivers wear-as long as there is a driver up front keeping all the trains move TOCs and their passengers seem to be happy. People wear union ties at my place but there's no official agreement to say you can or can't-management arnt too fussed if we wear a tie or what colour it is if we do.

Anyone who really has a problem with what tie a train driver wears could do with finding something useful to do with all that spare time they obviously have!

If you are going to bother posting then at least make it vaguely believable and useful to the discussion...

 

[notadriver]

Excellent post A-Driver! Spot on!

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Sorry but stuff like that isn't worth posting. You really think drivers would be prepared to loose a day or twos pay in order to wear a tie?! Any chance to do a bit of union bashing and there are people on here all over it even just making such ill-thought out and stupid comments like that which no one is realistically going to believe.

Normally anything like this is agreed out of a pay negotiation and few TOCs are really going to care what tie their drivers wear-as long as there is a driver up front keeping all the trains move TOCs and their passengers seem to be happy. People wear union ties at my place but there's no official agreement to say you can or can't-management arnt too fussed if we wear a tie or what colour it is if we do.

Anyone who really has a problem with what tie a train driver wears could do with finding something useful to do with all that spare time they obviously have!

If you are going to bother posting then at least make it vaguely believable and useful to the discussion...

As you know A-Driver I agree with you on almost anything BUT ASLE&F love to push things to extremes regardless to the costs of other grades, if it means they can score brownie points they will do whether it a Union Tie or DOO.

 

[A-driver]

As you know A-Driver I agree with you on almost anything BUT ASLE&F love to push things to extremes regardless to the costs of other grades, if it means they can score brownie points they will do whether it a Union Tie or DOO.

Are you honestly saying that you believe ASLEF and its members would go on strike over the right to wear a union tie?! Even if ASLEF was that stupid to put the idea forward do you really think members would give up a few days pay for it?!

I'd imagine that on GA the tie was sold by the rmt in a pay deal but ASLEF haven't sold it yet (or the other way round and ASLEF bought the right in a pay deal and the rmt haven't).

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Are you honestly saying that you believe ASLEF and its members would go on strike over the right to wear a union tie?! Even if ASLEF was that stupid to put the idea forward do you really think members would give up a few days pay for it?!

I'd imagine that on GA the tie was sold by the rmt in a pay deal but ASLEF haven't sold it yet (or the other way round and ASLEF bought the right in a pay deal and the rmt haven't).

I don't think the members would go for it but the heirarchy would if they thought they could get away with it. There is a saying on the majority of the railway out of the yearly pot ASLE&F get 75% and all the other grades have to fight over the scraps. Hence why the RMT and ASLE&F hate each other with a vengeance.

 

[A-driver]

ASLEF are known as a fair union. They are better negotiators and TOCs prefer negotiating with them to the rmt and that is why drivers tend to get better deals. We may get more money than the rest but we sell more Ts&Cs. FCCs pay rise this year is the same 3.2% for most grades, drivers are the only ones selling any conditions to get that rise though- other grades are getting it for 'nothing'.

 

[The Barlow Boy]

Sorry but stuff like that isn't worth posting. You really think drivers would be prepared to loose a day or twos pay in order to wear a tie?! Any chance to do a bit of union bashing and there are people on here all over it even just making such ill-thought out and stupid comments like that which no one is realistically going to believe.

Normally anything like this is agreed out of a pay negotiation and few TOCs are really going to care what tie their drivers wear-as long as there is a driver up front keeping all the trains move TOCs and their passengers seem to be happy. People wear union ties at my place but there's no official agreement to say you can or can't-management arnt too fussed if we wear a tie or what colour it is if we do.

Anyone who really has a problem with what tie a train driver wears could do with finding something useful to do with all that spare time they obviously have!

If you are going to bother posting then at least make it vaguely believable and useful to the discussion...

You mis-understand discussion for union bashing. As I stated clearly in my post, I'm unaware of any organisation that allows it's staff to deviate from it's uniform policy. Your thin skin does you no favours.

 

[notadriver]

You mis-understand discussion for union bashing. As I stated clearly in my post, I'm unaware of any organisation that allows it's staff to deviate from it's uniform policy. Your thin skin does you no favours.

Train drivers aren't just 'staff' , they are the 'Elite' of the railway so they tend to get some perks. Enough said really.

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Train drivers aren't just 'staff' , they are the 'Elite' of the railway so they tend to get some perks. Enough said really.

"Elite"? only in their dreams lol

Everyone knows that Guards are the true Elite of the railway, The Average Guard/Conductor deals with more difficult situations, responsibilities and high Tension Situations on the railway Day to Day than any microwave lol. You may be paid more....but lets not let that go to your head!

And just remember. In passenger service WE tell YOU when its safe to go, NOT the other way round

 

[bnm]

And just remember. In passenger service WE tell YOU when its safe to go, NOT the other way round

Bravo!

It's usually us (passengers) and them (rail staff) when it comes to discussions about unions on the railways.

Nice to see a bit of them and them for a change.

 

[Tomnick]

Train drivers aren't just 'staff' , they are the 'Elite' of the railway so they tend to get some perks. Enough said really.

Don't forget that the driver's driving the guard's train on the signalman's railway .

 

[ANorthernGuard]

Bravo!

It's usually us (passengers) and them (rail staff) when it comes to discussions about unions on the railways.

Nice to see a bit of them and them for a change.

ASLE&F Vs. the RMT has for years been an issue. ASLE&F thend to have the upperhand because Drivers obviously move the trains in & out of service. People like myself have no problem with this its when ASLE&F will shaft everyone else whether it is fellow Traincrew or Passengers that counts. It was ASLE&F that caused thye majority ot the union unrest in the seventies and eighties and NOT the NUR which became the RMT. just look at the majority of documentaries of that era. sadly a lot of ASLE&F heirarchy are still stuck in that timewarp.
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Don't forget that the driver's driving the guard's train on the signalman's railway .

And thats why we still call you Bobbies out of respect... however we reserve the right to call you every other name under the sun if you make us late on our last job lmao

 

[dk1]

No doubt because their A.S.L.E .& F. branch stamped their little feet and threatened to go on strike if they weren't allowed to. I am not aware of any other organisation that allows it's staff to deviate from it's uniform policy.

It wasn't anything like. Just an agreement management gave the union & was minuted & therefore a driver can exercise their right to wear one if they so wish. We all must keep to our side of agreements to work together in the harmony that we do.

 

[Tomnick]

And thats why we still call you Bobbies out of respect... however we reserve the right to call you every other name under the sun if you make us late on our last job lmao

We try our best, especially with the last one on a Saturday - if we make it late, we're late too .

 

[Starmill]

"Elite"? only in their dreams lol

Everyone knows that Guards are the true Elite of the railway, The Average Guard/Conductor deals with more difficult situations, responsibilities and high Tension Situations on the railway Day to Day than any microwave lol. You may be paid more....but lets not let that go to your head!

And just remember. In passenger service WE tell YOU when its safe to go, NOT the other way round

*Applause*

OMG please make a funny announcement or something next time I'm on your train so I can come and shake your hand