No. And the main gripes with them could easily be sorted out by a decent refurbishment
So in other words you are admitting they are that bad. You say they arent, but then mention a decent refurb. If they werent that bad, they wouldnt need a decent refurb. Just a deep clean now and again.
Its like saying a Pacer isnt that bad. Most of the gripes with them could be sorted with a decent refurb.
Yes, a decent refurb is definitely needed with the voyagers. Take the interior right back to bare metal, and start again. Also divert the exhaust pipes, and move them away from where the toilets are going to be.
They could then be decent enough for perhaps long distance services within Scotland. Perhaps local Cornish stoppers on the mainline as well. If you want to keep them where they are, im afraid the refurb will need to be even more drastic. It involves removing the engines.
So yes, most of the problems could be sorted with a very decent refurb.
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the toilet smell is usually in the toilet itself, with some residue in the vestibule. However, if the door to the seated section is stuck open, the smell travels.
It depends if you recognise the toilet smell, and also how frequently you travel on them sometimes. If you are a frequent traveller, the smell just becomes the smell of the train. However if you arent used to them, then the pong in the saloon definitely hits you as you step onboard. Its totally different to any other train.
Obviously yes, its worse the closer to the toilets you are, but there is always that faint smell all round the unit.
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, but on a very long cross country journey of 5+ hours I'd imagine it gets tedious, no moreso than a coach journey though.
A coach is quieter than a voyager. In fact most coaches nowadays arent too bad. Although legroom can be poor, they are usually fairly quiet.
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Unfortunately, there are some journeys for which it is difficult to avoid using a Voyager such as Exeter St Davids to Bristol Temple Meads or stations beyond.
Thankfully I can avoid the things. Yes, if im on a Rover, a short hop on a voyager is sometimes very handy, but its never desired.
If I was ever needing to do a journey where a voyager couldnt be avoided, then I would be using the car. If i never had the car on me, id never be putting myself in the position where i needed to do a long journey on one.
Once upon a time i didnt need to think about how id get from A to B. Now I do need to think about it. A crying shame when a couple of types of train can actually do that.
