ryan125hst
Established Member
Some of you may have seen my thread asking for historic timetables throughout the BR era which surprisingly don't seem to exist in PDF form on the web. I thought that an alternative would be to ask for the typical service pattern throughout the years.
I am now on the British Rail Coaching Stock Yahoo Group and on there is a great set of Carriage Working Books from the 1950's through to the mid 1980's. This gives details of each working but only gives the departure and arrival stations and times. It doesn't give the intermediate stations calls which I am interested in finding out about.
So first of all, what was the typical service pattern for the service on the ECML between London Kings Cross and Newcastle/Edinburgh (and maybe onto Aberdeen) as well as Leeds in the 1950's (including any services that worked on to, say Cleethorpes).
Did this then change when the Deltics arrived or did it stay largely the same for years afterwards?
Was there much change throughout the 70's before the HST's arrived? I've seen that Mark 2 air con stock arrived by the mid 70's and the Pullmans were being withdrawn, but was there anything else of significance?
Once the HST's arrived, were things kept largely the same until the 225's arrived, and did there introduction see many changes? I have a GNER timetable from 2007 (when I became a rail enthusiast) and I'm aware that until then, the basic pattern was a fast service to Edinburgh every hour (some extended to Glasgow/Aberdeen/Inverness), a service to Newcastle every hour and a stopping service to Leeds every hour. In 2007, the Allington Chord near Grantham opened allowing a second service an hour to Leeds. East Coast then altered the service pattern with the Eureka timetable in 2011, adding a fifth train an hour stopping at all EC stations to Newark and continuing to Retford, Doncaster and York every two hours, with the Leeds services sped up as a result.
If anyone could post a typical service pattern including calling points and maybe the class of loco used, I'd be very grateful. Don't worry about formations or catering provision as this is covered by the carriage working books. I don't really need every year, particularly if it remained largely the same over several consecutive years. Just a couple from each decade with a few years between would be fine.
Many thanks
Ryan
I am now on the British Rail Coaching Stock Yahoo Group and on there is a great set of Carriage Working Books from the 1950's through to the mid 1980's. This gives details of each working but only gives the departure and arrival stations and times. It doesn't give the intermediate stations calls which I am interested in finding out about.
So first of all, what was the typical service pattern for the service on the ECML between London Kings Cross and Newcastle/Edinburgh (and maybe onto Aberdeen) as well as Leeds in the 1950's (including any services that worked on to, say Cleethorpes).
Did this then change when the Deltics arrived or did it stay largely the same for years afterwards?
Was there much change throughout the 70's before the HST's arrived? I've seen that Mark 2 air con stock arrived by the mid 70's and the Pullmans were being withdrawn, but was there anything else of significance?
Once the HST's arrived, were things kept largely the same until the 225's arrived, and did there introduction see many changes? I have a GNER timetable from 2007 (when I became a rail enthusiast) and I'm aware that until then, the basic pattern was a fast service to Edinburgh every hour (some extended to Glasgow/Aberdeen/Inverness), a service to Newcastle every hour and a stopping service to Leeds every hour. In 2007, the Allington Chord near Grantham opened allowing a second service an hour to Leeds. East Coast then altered the service pattern with the Eureka timetable in 2011, adding a fifth train an hour stopping at all EC stations to Newark and continuing to Retford, Doncaster and York every two hours, with the Leeds services sped up as a result.
If anyone could post a typical service pattern including calling points and maybe the class of loco used, I'd be very grateful. Don't worry about formations or catering provision as this is covered by the carriage working books. I don't really need every year, particularly if it remained largely the same over several consecutive years. Just a couple from each decade with a few years between would be fine.
Many thanks
Ryan