Cricket

[Busaholic]

Ist ODI match

England 309-8 (50 overs)
Stokes 101 with 4 x 6 and 8 x 4
Buttler 63 with 4 x 6 and 3 x 4
Duckett 60 with 6 x 4

I wonder how the England bowlers will fare in keeping a tight rein on the run rate when Bangladesh start their reply.

The old virtue of taking wickets saw England win, with Jake Ball on ODI debut taking 5 wickets and Rashid 4. Duckett made his 60 on debut too, and some good commentators think he might just be another Root in the making.

 

[DarloRich]

oh look a Durham Player in the England team. Funny how they want our players but screw us

 

[Busaholic]

oh look a Durham Player in the England team. Funny how they want our players but screw us

Notts (now relegated to the 2nd Division) have contributed most players to the England side over the last few years, followed by Durham and Yorks (joint). You're right to be angry about the ECB decision imo, it was the ECB who INSISTED that the Riverside ground be built to international standards. JE SUIS DURHAM!

 

[backontrack]

Agreed! LAND OF THE PRINCE BISHOPS! THE COUNTY PALATINE! Diet Yorkshire!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Bangladesh must still be wondering how they went from being 271-4 to being 288 all out in that 1st ODI match

Ball's bowling return in a 50 over ODI of 9.5 - 0 - 51 - 5 is very creditable indeed.
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2nd ODI match

Bangladesh 238-8 (50 overs)

England 204 all out (44.4 overs)

England had a bad start, being 26-4 at one time and Buttler with 57 from 57 balls was the only batsman to make a 50, whereas six of the England team did not even reach double figures, with the result that England lost by 34 runs with over five overs still to play.

Mortaza had a good 50 over match bowling return.....8.4 - 0 - 29 - 4

 

[Whistler40145]

I don't know what was said between the Bangladesh team and England Captain, Jos Buttler, but there was certainly a bad atmosphere. We were definitely undone today.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

3rd ODI match.....Breaking news

Bangladesh 277-6

England 278-6

England win by four wickets with just over two overs to spare and take the series 2-1.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

3rd ODI match.....Breaking news

Bangladesh 277-6

England 278-6

England win by four wickets with just over two overs to spare and take the series 2-1.

A very enjoyable 3 match series. Victory could have gone to either side and there seemed to be a reasonably even balance between bat and ball.

 

[Pakenhamtrain]

While not international cricket or anything this occured last weekend in the Victorian Premier Cricket:

Curator apologises after preparing extra-long wicket at Harry Trott Oval
Paul Amy, Caulfield Glen Eira Leader
October 18, 2016 11:24am

THIS is the wicket that is the talk of Victorian Premier Cricket.

Pitches measure 22 yards. But the strip at Harry Trott Oval in Albert Park was marked out incorrectly and was eight feet too long on Saturday.

The mistake was confirmed only after the match between St Kilda and Footscray-Edgewater, when umpires Brad Davies and Chris James ran a measuring tape over it.

The Doggies bowled first and coach Steve Chapman said his players had their suspicions early, particularly opening bowler Hamish Winter-Irving, a curator.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...l/news-story/a0f35a7e388399fe662d54277205d557
Bit of a stuff up having a 24 yards pitch.

 

[Busaholic]

While not international cricket or anything this occured last weekend in the Victorian Premier Cricket:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/...l/news-story/a0f35a7e388399fe662d54277205d557
Bit of a stuff up having a 24 yards pitch.

Bowlers have always said 'it's a batsman's game' and this will only reinforce their prejudices!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Day three of the 1st Test Match saw England reach 228-8 in their second innings at close of play, giving them a lead of 273 runs. Stokes scored 85 of that total with 3 x 6 and 8 x 4, after another poor England start to an innings in this match.

28 wickets falling in three days...is there something in the pitch that the bowlers are exploiting?
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Bangladesh failed to capitalise on the winning situation that they held on the final day and Stokes had their last two batsmen out lbw in a period of a few balls and England won the test match by a very narrow margin of 22 runs.
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Second Test Match

Bangladesh must wonder "what might have been" as at one time, they were 171-1 and looking to build a platform for a big score. So, to then be all out for 220 needs questions asking. Two main England bowlers were Moeen with 5-57 and Woakes 3-30. Ansari had a poor start with his six overs costing 36 runs.

England, not wishing to appear uncharitable, showed that they too could possess batting frailties and when the close of play arrived, they were 50-3 with Cook, Duckett and Balance all dismissed.

Day two continued in like fashion with five more wickets falling in the first session, but a late stand by Woakes (38 not out) and Rashid (31 not out) saw the score move from 144-8 to the latest score of 223-8.

 

[Howardh]

Bowlers have always said 'it's a batsman's game' and this will only reinforce their prejudices!

Indeed!
However I've often wondered if a swing bowler might do better if the ball had to travel a longer distance, particularly if theres's "late" swing?

Have we any amateur bowlers on here who have tried to bowl well short of the crease?

 

[Buttsy]

Indeed!
However I've often wondered if a swing bowler might do better if the ball had to travel a longer distance, particularly if theres's "late" swing?

Have we any amateur bowlers on here who have tried to bowl well short of the crease?

I've seen bowlers do it as a surprise tactic, but the longer you make the pitch, the more time the batsman has to play the ball. This would then mean that spinners would die out of the game as they would be so much easier to hit and swing bowlers, while they may get more swing, the batsman has longer to adjust.

The way to make it less of a batsman's game is to ban pads as the batsman would be much keener to hit the ball without them.

 

[Busaholic]

I've seen bowlers do it as a surprise tactic, but the longer you make the pitch, the more time the batsman has to play the ball. This would then mean that spinners would die out of the game as they would be so much easier to hit and swing bowlers, while they may get more swing, the batsman has longer to adjust.

The way to make it less of a batsman's game is to ban pads as the batsman would be much keener to hit the ball without them.

At least DRS seems to be getting spinners more wickets, Now India are embracing it, Ashwin may go on to get more wickets than Murali.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Second Test Match - Day 3

Bangladesh scored 298 all out in their second innings, with Kayes top scoring with 78. Rashid 4-32 and Stokes 3-52 the pick of the England bowlers.

England in their second innings start with a 100 opening stand by Cook and Duckett who both score 50s but then the unthinkable happened. Only Stokes with 25 was the only other batsman to score double figures and England were dismissed for 164, having lost 10 wickets for 64 runs. Mehedi with 6-77 and Shakib 4-49 took all the wickets.

Bangladesh win the Test Match in only three of the five days by a margin of 108 runs.

 

[Whistler40145]

Oh what a complete shambles England were.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

Oh what a complete shambles England were.

An alternative view would be....how good were Bangladesh? Once they decided to -correctly, in my view - produce turning wickets they stood a good chance of winning and duly did so.
As usual, England will blame the bowlers, but it was the batsmen who did not give the bowlers much help. The Indian team must be really looking forward to the next five tests. It will be interesting to see if England have learnt anything from the experience in Bangladesh , or will they perish as Australia did in Sri Lanka?

 

[Busaholic]

The players who won the first Test (narrowly) for England were Ali, Bairstow and Stokes, with Woakes following closely and Root doing an adequate job. This time, Bairstow (for once) didn't contribute a lot but the others did their bit. Cook and Duckett, of course, made 50s in the second innings but nothing of note in their previous three innings. Ballance and Finn should never have been in the side (when will the selectors and Trevor Bayliss learn that failure after failure does not guarantee sudden success when you most need it?) and I've had my few pence on here prior to the tour about the selection of Batty and Ansari, which to me were unfathomable without a hidden agenda. Rashid continues to frustrate - yes, he made runs in the first innings with luck decidedly on his side, but his bowling lacks control in tests and he seems incapable of taking the wickets of batsmen rather than bowlers. India will expose him horribly, I fear. Why is Ball sidelined (again)? For godsakes get Hameed in too, with Duckett moved down to 4.

 

[Whistler40145]

I agree Busaholic.

 

[Busaholic]

I agree Busaholic.

Thank you.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

The players who won the first Test (narrowly) for England were Ali, Bairstow and Stokes, with Woakes following closely and Root doing an adequate job. This time, Bairstow (for once) didn't contribute a lot but the others did their bit. Cook and Duckett, of course, made 50s in the second innings but nothing of note in their previous three innings. Ballance and Finn should never have been in the side (when will the selectors and Trevor Bayliss learn that failure after failure does not guarantee sudden success when you most need it?) and I've had my few pence on here prior to the tour about the selection of Batty and Ansari, which to me were unfathomable without a hidden agenda. Rashid continues to frustrate - yes, he made runs in the first innings with luck decidedly on his side, but his bowling lacks control in tests and he seems incapable of taking the wickets of batsmen rather than bowlers. India will expose him horribly, I fear. Why is Ball sidelined (again)? For godsakes get Hameed in too, with Duckett moved down to 4.

Yes, I think that you are right about Hameed and Duckett. Frustratingly, all England's batsmen (except Ballance) contributed at least one good score...but unless three or four can do it in the same innings, England will go nowhere in the sub-continent.
As Cook has mentioned, England's spinners aren't world-class (not their fault) and I think England should rue their mishandling of Monty Panesar, they treated him very badly when Swann grew up and took his place. Monty is only 34 years old and would be at the top of his game now if he hadn't been rather unseemingly discarded and thrown to the wolves.

 

[Busaholic]

Yes, I think that you are right about Hameed and Duckett. Frustratingly, all England's batsmen (except Ballance) contributed at least one good score...but unless three or four can do it in the same innings, England will go nowhere in the sub-continent.
As Cook has mentioned, England's spinners aren't world-class (not their fault) and I think England should rue their mishandling of Monty Panesar, they treated him very badly when Swann grew up and took his place. Monty is only 34 years old and would be at the top of his game now if he hadn't been rather unseemingly discarded and thrown to the wolves.

Monty is one of those players who needs a lot of support, but his talent is such that he is worth persevering with. He's going back to Northants for next season, I believe, and such is the paucity of good spinners he may yet come good again.

Not perhaps quite time to discuss it yet, but Cook may feel he's done as much as he can in the job after the tour, not that I'm suggesting he should relinquish his opening role too.

 

[Pakenhamtrain]

Australia's summer of cricket has kicked off at the WACA with Australia taking on South Africa. Fair to say Day 1 belongs to Australia
STUMPS:
SA: 242. de kock 84. Bavuma 51.
Stark: 4/71. Hazelwood 3/70

AUS: 0/105. Warner 73* S.Marsh 29*
Steyn: 0/34. Philander 0/26. Rabada 0/29. Maharaj 0/16.

Warner very lucky to still be out there. SA challenged a not out LBW call. The review showed a no ball. The Hawkeye tracking showed it would of been out. Has made the most of it playing like David Warner does. Balls hitting the fence.

 

[ExRes]

As Cook has mentioned, England's spinners aren't world-class (not their fault) and I think England should rue their mishandling of Monty Panesar, they treated him very badly when Swann grew up and took his place. Monty is only 34 years old and would be at the top of his game now if he hadn't been rather unseemingly discarded and thrown to the wolves.

As a Sussex supporter, and regular watcher, during the time Panesar was at Hove, I rather think that people have fallen for the 'poor old Monty' line rather too easily, there was an awful lot of Monty throwing himself to the wolves as well. His indifference to making an effort on behalf of the side didn't endear him to either the supporters or his fellow players either, when a bowler works his socks off only to see a fielder, Panesar, letting the ball past him or making no effort to stop it the cuddly feelings tend to wear off

As for his mental problems, perhaps more support would have helped but did he ever try to explain those problems?, you can only help someone if they are prepared to ask for that help and accept it
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Monty is one of those players who needs a lot of support, but his talent is such that he is worth persevering with. He's going back to Northants for next season, I believe, and such is the paucity of good spinners he may yet come good again.

I believe he was there this season but failed to make any impression

 

[Whistler40145]

What's the view of my fellow Cricket fans on here of the appointment of Sir Ian Botham as the new Chairman of Durham County Cricket Club?

 

[Busaholic]

What's the view of my fellow Cricket fans on here of the appointment of Sir Ian Botham as the new Chairman of Durham County Cricket Club?

I suppose his presence as a player at Durham helped the county gain recognition even though he was past his best for most of his time there, but I wonder whether he will be anything more than a figurehead. I don't think his best friend would call him cerebral, and if he has ever said anything remotely interesting about how cricket is played now then I must have missed it. His involvement in the Allen Stanford hype said it all about his judgement imo, but he has a good record as a fundraiser, and he may need it at Durham, but good luck both to him and more especially the county.

 

[Arglwydd Golau]

I suppose his presence as a player at Durham helped the county gain recognition even though he was past his best for most of his time there, but I wonder whether he will be anything more than a figurehead. I don't think his best friend would call him cerebral, and if he has ever said anything remotely interesting about how cricket is played now then I must have missed it. His involvement in the Allen Stanford hype said it all about his judgement imo, but he has a good record as a fundraiser, and he may need it at Durham, but good luck both to him and more especially the county.

That sums him up quite correctly!

 

[Whistler40145]

Durham need a miracle.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It should be remembered that Durham did not become a County Championship side until as late as 1992 and have been the winners of it on three occasions in 2008, 2009 and 2013. The county have hosted Test Matches and supplied a number of players for the England side.

I wonder how many of the other former Minor Counties could emulate those feats?

 

[Whistler40145]

Indeed, Durham County Cricket Club were the final county to become a First Class County, which as a coincidence Sir Ian Botham played for them in the final years of his career.