Terms used "darn sarf" that baffle us oiks up north

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Carnets, Oysters, etc.

Do we in these northern provinces have to be suitably educated in the comprehension of these terms when specifically used in railway jargonese.

The only time that I have heard the term carnet mentioned is when an ice cream van seller in a northern mill town asked a child how he would like his ice cream and the child replied "in a carnet"...

 

[telstarbox]

You know what they both are.

 

[richw]

I think they're a southeast thing. I'm about as south as you can get on the mainland and we don't have any such rubbish here!

 

[bspahh]

I think they're a southeast thing. I'm about as south as you can get on the mainland and we don't have any such rubbish here!

You can get a carnet with

• Virgin Trains
• Virgin Trains East Coast
• East Midlands Trains
• Great Northern Thameslink
• Greater Anglia
• Grand Central
• Hull Trains

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

You can get a carnet with

• Virgin Trains
• Virgin Trains East Coast
• East Midlands Trains
• Great Northern Thameslink
• Greater Anglia
• Grand Central
• Hull Trains

Nowt as such in Northern or TPE.

 

[steamybrian]

The first time I found the word "carnet" used was in Paris where you can purchase 10 Metro tickets for a discount price compared to buying 10 individual tickets. I have looked up the word "carnet" in my French dictionary which translates to notebook. They used the word a long time before us "darn sarf".
Oyster-- I can only assume was because the "ticket" is in the shape of an oyster. Ticketless travel (such as oyster) was used abroad (I believe in Europe) before it reached Britain.

 

[pdq]

Having never asked for a carnet, is it pronounced car-net, car-nit, or car-nay? I have the same problem getting my car cleaned - is it a va-lay, val-ay or vallit? No such issue with buffet though!

 

[gordonthemoron]

It would have been better if the Oyster had been called Lobster after Arthur Daley

 

[306024]

It would have been better if the Oyster had been called Lobster after Arthur Daley

Or the Cuttlefish after Monty Python

Darn sarf is spelt daan saaf by the way. Darn is wot u do wiv a needle.

 

[radamfi]

London Underground sold carnets more than 20 years ago where you could get 10 Zone 1 tickets at a discount.
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Carnets also exist in Devon and Cornwall

http://www.dcrp.org.uk/projects/carnet-ticket-schemes-with-local-shops/

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Or the Cuttlefish after Monty Python

Darn sarf is spelt daan saaf by the way. Darn is wot u do wiv a needle.

The use of double identical vowels is not allowed in the written version of a Northern patois. It is the correct procedure to replace a second identical letter "A" in the middle of a word by the letter "R"... hence "darn sarf"....

I am not sure of my ground here, but I do have a feeling that this matter was on the agenda of the Synod of Whitby in 664AD, but they decided to debate the correct date of Easter instead...

 

[Howardh]

Do southerners know what a barm cake is - without looking it up? Or how to pronounce Daubhill? Or why Grandma sent me upstairs for some fresh trolleys?

 

[306024]

I am not sure of my ground here, but I do have a feeling that this matter was on the agenda of the Synod of Whitby in 664AD, but they decided to debate the correct date of Easter instead...

And look what a dogs breakfast they made of that

Do southerners know what a barm cake is - without looking it up? Or how to pronounce Daubhill? Or why Grandma sent me upstairs for some fresh trolleys?

Course not, that's what makes travelling up norf such an exciting adventure

 

[backontrack]

I am not sure of my ground here, but I do have a feeling that this matter was on the agenda of the Synod of Whitby in 664AD, but they decided to debate the correct date of Easter instead...

I fancy that the correct pronunciation of the town of Shrewsbury was also on the agenda...

 

[Domh245]

Do southerners know what a barm cake is - without looking it up? Or how to pronounce Daubhill? Or why Grandma sent me upstairs for some fresh trolleys?

Barm Cake? Isn't that a Cob?

 

[Cowley]

Barm Cake? Isn't that a Cob?

Taint a Cob. A Cob's a building material, or a bad mood, or a norse.

 

[Calthrop]

Or a spider (maker of cobwebs) -- see The Hobbit, J.R.R. Tolkien.

 

[Howardh]

Taint a Cob. A Cob's a building material, or a bad mood, or a norse.

Something you ride on when you have a cold?

 

[richw]

You can get a carnet with

• Virgin Trains
• Virgin Trains East Coast
• East Midlands Trains
• Great Northern Thameslink
• Greater Anglia
• Grand Central
• Hull Trains

None of whom come near me the southwest, but do visit the north, almost reversing the OP!

 

[Ploughman]

Do I get the impression that a CARNET is actually another name for a Ticket?

I can remember using Carnets when driving through France back in the 70s

 

[edwin_m]

Carnet is pronounced "car-nay" in the original French and according to Google has meanings including "notebook" or "stack". I first encountered them on the Paris Metro in the 70s when you could (and still can) get 10 tickets at a discount. Don't ask me how it might be pronounced in the various regions of the UK where they are now found.

Oyster was most likely inspired by the "Octopus" in Hong Kong which inspired a minor trend of naming multi-modal smartcards after marine creatures - see also "Walrus" on Merseyside.

 

[adrock1976]

Carnet is pronounced "car-nay" in the original French and according to Google has meanings including "notebook" or "stack". I first encountered them on the Paris Metro in the 70s when you could (and still can) get 10 tickets at a discount. Don't ask me how it might be pronounced in the various regions of the UK where they are now found.

Oyster was most likely inspired by the "Octopus" in Hong Kong which inspired a minor trend of naming multi-modal smartcards after marine creatures - see also "Walrus" on Merseyside.

Of course, the Walrus card in Merseyside also happens to be a coincidence that there is a Beatles song on their 1967 album "Magical Mystery Tour" that is called "I am the Walrus".

 

[Phil.]

The original plan for the Oyster travel card was for it to be circular - shaped a little like an oyster (which is really oval). That's why the original touch-in pads were/are round. The technical people eventually demonstrated to the LUL people that a round card would be tricky because of the magnetic strip so a conventional rectangular one came into being instead.

 

[Busaholic]

Do southerners know what a barm cake is - without looking it up? Or how to pronounce Daubhill? Or why Grandma sent me upstairs for some fresh trolleys?

On the first matter, I was very confused when I saw what was so described in Leeds, as it was a very different thing from the Preston version (but then I suppose Lancaster and York will never agree, or even agree to differ. Of the other questions, I haven't the foggiest.
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Carnet is pronounced "car-nay" in the original French and according to Google has meanings including "notebook" or "stack". I first encountered them on the Paris Metro in the 70s when you could (and still can) get 10 tickets at a discount. Don't ask me how it might be pronounced in the various regions of the UK where they are now found.

Oyster was most likely inspired by the "Octopus" in Hong Kong which inspired a minor trend of naming multi-modal smartcards after marine creatures - see also "Walrus" on Merseyside.

I would say that the Goldfish credit card advertised to death by Billy Connolly on TV about 35 years ago was definitely the precursor to the use of such terms.

 

[Cowley]

Trolleys are pants aren't they?

 

[Busaholic]

Trolleys are pants aren't they?

That opens up a whole new debate as to the definition of 'pants'.

 

[Howardh]

Trolleys are pants aren't they?

10/10.

And she sent me out regularly with a pair of knickers to do her shopping. Think that's a nationwide thing though, giving young lads knickers?
Oh, to put everyone right about Daubhill when they come here for their holidays, it's "Dobble". Bolton is Bow'ton with a silent t; and top prize to anyone who can pronounce Walkden as locals do - hint - it could cause consternation now but that's not when it originated!!!


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That opens up a whole new debate as to the definition of 'pants'.

Won't ask what some members on here think of the Euro....

 

[Cowley]

10/10.

And she sent me out regularly with a pair of knickers to do her shopping. Think that's a nationwide thing though, giving young lads knickers?
Oh, to put everyone right about Daubhill when they come here for their holidays, it's "Dobble". Bolton is Bow'ton with a silent t; and top prize to anyone who can pronounce Walkden as locals do - hint - it could cause consternation now but that's not when it originated!!!


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Won't ask what some members on here think of the Euro....

I'm not sure what the knickers thing is?

 

[Howardh]

I'm not sure what the knickers thing is?

Pound notes. They don't exist now of course (although I have two in my drawer along with an old fiver!) but in the 60's that's what they were called - the argument is whether the "k" should be written!!

 

[Glenmutchkin]

. A Cob's ............ a bad mood..........

Do you mean like having a monk on?