Southeastern to Waterloo Mainline (29/8~1/9/17, next Xmas 2017)

[Dr_Intoxicated]

Oh what delights of wonder and fulfilment
(Incidentally for those of us in the beautiful South fancying one of these delights should make tracks for the fisheries in Brookwood as that's the only one I've found)

At the risk of going completely off topic can I ask Is that Brookwood near Woking? I am willing to travel for such a gastronomic delight.

 

[randompixel]

https://goo.gl/maps/WSWtjTMwV5T2 I think

 

[Lockwood]

I used to work out of a station not far from there.

Can confirm good food.

 

[TheNewNo2]

I got a Southeastern from Waterloo on Friday. Most people on board appeared to be spotters. I had planned to get off at Denmark Hill, but found that was only a driver change, which left me ticketless at Sevenoaks (I'd tapped my Oyster to pass the Bostwicks). My thanks to all the Sevenoaks staff who were very kind and let me buy a ticket there rather than issuing a penalty fare.

 

[swt_passenger]

I got a Southeastern from Waterloo on Friday. Most people on board appeared to be spotters. I had planned to get off at Denmark Hill, but found that was only a driver change...

Bit of an own goal there then? If you'd read this thread thoroughly you'd have been aware it was only a staff (operational reasons) stop. No public facing information (e.g. at Waterloo) would have shown it as a stop.

 

[rebmcr]

Bit of an own goal there then? If you'd read this thread thoroughly you'd have been aware it was only a staff (operational reasons) stop. No public facing information (e.g. at Waterloo) would have shown it as a stop.

However, on my trip back there was a lady who appeared to have arranged with the guard to alight there.

 

[godfreycomplex]

At the risk of going completely off topic can I ask Is that Brookwood near Woking? I am willing to travel for such a gastronomic delight.

Certainly is!
Brookwood Fisheries 5:30-9:30 Monday - Saturday
Go early evening as they tend to sell out
(Off topic? I spit on your off topic!)

 

[Chris M]

Bit of an own goal there then? If you'd read this thread thoroughly you'd have been aware it was only a staff (operational reasons) stop. No public facing information (e.g. at Waterloo) would have shown it as a stop.

Some journey planners (in think including citymapper) showed it as a public stop, and RTT on mobile certainly didn't flag it as staff only in the non-detailed view. Given this contradicted the first stop Sevenoaks showing at the station I clarified with a chap on the gateline and it clearly wasn't the first time he'd been asked. As I didn't have the time for a return to Sevenoaks (and certainly not time to work out what combination of tickets would be cheapest to return only as far as Lewisham) I didn't travel.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

Certainly is!
Brookwood Fisheries 5:30-9:30 Monday - Saturday
Go early evening as they tend to sell out
(Off topic? I spit on your off topic!)

I used to work out of a station not far from there.

Can confirm good food.

https://goo.gl/maps/WSWtjTMwV5T2 I think

Thanks to all for the helpful replies

 

[Alteran Ancient]

Publicity has started appearing on the Networkers concerning the Christmas/New Year's Engineering works, using the same diagram before that indicates that Charing Cross and Cannon Street has "No Southeastern Services", and a dashed line heading to Waterloo indicating "Temporary Southeastern Service".

So it looks like the suspicions are indeed correct - SE will be back at Waterloo for the Christmas period.

 

[theironroad]

Publicity has started appearing on the Networkers concerning the Christmas/New Year's Engineering works, using the same diagram before that indicates that Charing Cross and Cannon Street has "No Southeastern Services", and a dashed line heading to Waterloo indicating "Temporary Southeastern Service".

So it looks like the suspicions are indeed correct - SE will be back at Waterloo for the Christmas period.

Intriguing. I thought the plan had been the former international would close again completely after the waterloo blockade and the few days se were using it.

our original brief said it would close for 18 months to allow all the re-modelling to be done under the platforms and the old ticket hall etc.

 

[NSEFAN]

Intriguing. I thought the plan had been the former international would close again completely after the waterloo blockade and the few days se were using it.

our original brief said it would close for 18 months to allow all the re-modelling to be done under the platforms and the old ticket hall etc.

Given train services will be reduced over Christmas anyway, the services could perhaps fit within 1-19? Not dissimilar from the GWML diversions sent there previously.

 

[High Dyke]

Publicity has started appearing on the Networkers concerning the Christmas/New Year's Engineering works, using the same diagram before that indicates that Charing Cross and Cannon Street has "No Southeastern Services", and a dashed line heading to Waterloo indicating "Temporary Southeastern Service".

So it looks like the suspicions are indeed correct - SE will be back at Waterloo for the Christmas period.

Hmm... I'm not wanting to get caught out again, like the other week.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Intriguing. I thought the plan had been the former international would close again completely after the waterloo blockade and the few days se were using it.

our original brief said it would close for 18 months to allow all the re-modelling to be done under the platforms and the old ticket hall etc.

I think that platforms 23 and 24 at Waterloo (Main) might already have closed. On Open Train Times it shows "BLOC" for platforms 23 and 24

 

[theironroad]

I think that platforms 23 and 24 at Waterloo (Main) might already have closed. On Open Train Times it shows "BLOC" for platforms 23 and 24

I've noticed that. I see 20 is being used sometimes for readings..

I'm wondering if 20 is going to be left available long term as when it opened for a period a few years ago it was accessed by doors from platform 19 which means it could still be used now without interfering with the remodelling work at the ticket hall.

 

[swt_passenger]

I'm wondering if 20 is going to be left available long term as when it opened for a period a few years ago it was accessed by doors from platform 19 which means it could still be used now without interfering with the remodelling work at the ticket hall.

Yes it probably is. P20 only is shown in use in RTT to the furthest extent that it currently goes, and this has been mentioned a few times in other threads. Apparently it is required for the few additional Reading services that have only started since the blockade. They had been promised previously but couldn't operate while P20 was out of use...

 

[theironroad]

Yes it probably is. P20 only is shown in use in RTT to the furthest extent that it currently goes, and this has been mentioned a few times in other threads. Apparently it is required for the few additional Reading services that have only started since the blockade. They had been promised previously but couldn't operate while P20 was out of use...

Makes sense.

 

[TEW]

Yes it probably is. P20 only is shown in use in RTT to the furthest extent that it currently goes, and this has been mentioned a few times in other threads. Apparently it is required for the few additional Reading services that have only started since the blockade. They had been promised previously but couldn't operate while P20 was out of use...

P20 is in use as expected and access is via Platform 19 as when it was previously in use. I have seen references to attempting to open Platform 21 during disruption but it seems that a lack of available dispatch staff normally prevents it.

 

[swt_passenger]

P20 is in use as expected and access is via Platform 19 as when it was previously in use. I have seen references to attempting to open Platform 21 during disruption but it seems that a lack of available dispatch staff normally prevents it.

Yes, I was pretty sure that P20 access from P19 was happening from the discussion in the other thread a week or two back, but I hadn't seen it actually happening.

 

[Cletus]

Southeastern services are now beginning to show on RTT the Christmas period:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../12/27/0900?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=SE


https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/thameslink-programme#christmas_closures

Services will not run to or from Charing Cross, Waterloo East, London Bridge, Deptford, Greenwich, Maze Hill, Westcombe Park, New Cross and St Johns for the entire 10 day period from 23 December to 1 January.

An amended timetable with a significantly reduced service will operate to Victoria, Blackfriars and Waterloo on the ‘working days’ from 27 December to 29 December. There will be some additional high speed services to St Pancras International and non high speed tickets will be accepted on these dates.

As well as the closure of stations in the London area, there are changes to all Southeastern trains over the Christmas period, including high speed services.
There will be no high speed services running on Boxing Day this year.

Victoria is expected to be very busy, especially at peak times on 27, 28 and 29 December.

We strongly suggest that if you can, you avoid travelling at peak times or find a route that avoids Victoria

 

[Class 466]

Southeastern services are now beginning to show on RTT the Christmas period:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../12/27/0900?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=SE


https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/thameslink-programme#christmas_closures

Worth noting that these paths aren’t final and they will be calling additionally at Orpington

 

[telstarbox]

There are services between Bromley South and Waterloo this time (from Ramsgate/Maidstone East):

https://traintimes.org.uk/bms/wat/0900/24december

 

[urpert]

There are services between Bromley South and Waterloo this time (from Ramsgate/Maidstone East):

https://traintimes.org.uk/bms/wat/0900/24december

Excellent, that should make it easier to grab one without buying a Sevenoaks ticket and then getting diverted to Blackfriars...!

 

[rebmcr]

There are services between Bromley South and Waterloo this time (from Ramsgate/Maidstone East):

https://traintimes.org.uk/bms/wat/0900/24december

Excellent, that should make it easier to grab one without buying a Sevenoaks ticket and then getting diverted to Blackfriars...!

These services are again via Denmark Hill, so will still use the ex-Eurostar flyover.

Example: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/J71004/2017/12/24/advanced

All of them: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea...4/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=SE

 

[Alteran Ancient]

Thought I'd do a cheeky resurrection and just remind y'all that the diversions are kicking-off again this Saturday. If you feel so inclined to make a cheeky visit to Waterloo and only pay Oyster/Travelcard prices, you'll be able to travel from Bromley South (yes, Bromley South) on the 23rd and 24th of December (this weekend), or from Orpington on any other day from the 27th of December onwards.

Remember that even though RTT lists Denmark Hill as a stop, this is an operational stop only and is not a pick-up or set-down for passengers.

I'm sure I'll find an excuse this weekend to travel into the city myself!

 

[BobUK45]

So with the Driver changes only at Denmark Hill, is that SE train driver getting out at Denmark Hill and a SWT train bringing the train into Waterloo? Then same heading out of Waterloo, SWT Driver to Denmark Hill, SE Driver onwards.

 

[Class 466]

So with the Driver changes only at Denmark Hill, is that SE train driver getting out at Denmark Hill and a SWT train bringing the train into Waterloo? Then same heading out of Waterloo, SWT Driver to Denmark Hill, SE Driver onwards.

Nope - its a SE Driver Manager and Conductor Manager that board/alight at DMK.

 

[pompeyfan]

Means you only need a small pool of people competent in that section of track rather than train everyone up

 

[Class 466]

Means you only need a small pool of people competent in that section of track rather than train everyone up

Exactly - and given that after this blockade SE won't be using that curve again there's no point in getting all that training done.

 

[BobUK45]

Nope - its a SE Driver Manager and Conductor Manager that board/alight at DMK.

Ok thanks, thought it might down to route knowledge in to Waterloo.

Cheers.