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Buffet cars v Trolleys

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People do steal laptop bags (though theft of large luggage is rare). It is very ill advised to leave a laptop bag unattended on a train even for a short time, and in many companies would be considered a very serious disciplinary offence, as if it was stolen not only have you lost a grand's worth of laptop, but potentially you also have a GDPR breach on your hands or leaks of other commercially sensitive information.
Laptops and their bags are small and light these days, so there's a very simple answer: take it with you to the buffet car. If you need to answer a call of nature urgently, presumably you'd take it with you to the loo after all.
 
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People do steal laptop bags (though theft of large luggage is rare). It is very ill advised to leave a laptop bag unattended on a train even for a short time, and in many companies would be considered a very serious disciplinary offence, as if it was stolen not only have you lost a grand's worth of laptop, but potentially you also have a GDPR breach on your hands or leaks of other commercially sensitive information.

Exactly - many contracts of employment require employees not to leave their company laptop, briefcases containing files, etc., unattended. That's what I was talking about, not luggage!
 

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Laptops and their bags are small and light these days, so there's a very simple answer: take it with you to the buffet car. If you need to answer a call of nature urgently, presumably you'd take it with you to the loo after all.

Shorter distance, quicker time, and not carrying a drink/snack on the way back, in addition to your laptop bag over one shoulder and your briefcase in the other hand!
 

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Now I won’t have anything from the trolley.

Careful though because if people stop buying from the trolley then they will get rid of it and the staff - something you are very vocal about not happening in other grades. Yes a buffet is preferable but if its only a trolley offering then you either support it or lose it.
 

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Laptops and their bags are small and light these days, so there's a very simple answer: take it with you to the buffet car. If you need to answer a call of nature urgently, presumably you'd take it with you to the loo after all.

And then nothing's left at your seat, so someone sits there. (Easier in winter as you can leave a coat)

Trolley is much easier.
 

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Shorter distance, quicker time, and not carrying a drink/snack on the way back, in addition to your laptop bag over one shoulder and your briefcase in the other hand!
Get a laptop bag that you wear on your back, which leaves both hands free. Doubles up as a document bag too.

And then nothing's left at your seat, so someone sits there. (Easier in winter as you can leave a coat)

Trolley is much easier.
I agree there are pros and cons to both, but it really depends what you're ordering. As for leaving your seat unattended, if the train is so busy that people are standing nearby and ready to swoop on your seat as you leave, then you won't be getting to a buffet anyway and a trolley won't get to you. If it's quiet-ish, you can politely ask someone else sitting nearby (across the aisle for example) to keep an eye on your seat:- this also means you can leave some items in the seat, on the proviso that it wouldn't be a breach of your terms of employment.
 

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And then nothing's left at your seat, so someone sits there.
Not if you have the wit to go to the buffet with a comfortable amount of time before the next station, or else have a reserved seat. Services where neither of these is likely to be possible aren't suited to having buffets anyway.

For me, it's primarily about journey length. I wouldn't expect catering on a journey less than an hour or so, would probably use a trolley on a journey of one to two hours, but by the time it's longer than 3 hours a buffet would be appreciated. The major caveat being, a buffet needs to be more than an immobile trolley with more supplies to be worth having.

Of course, if there isn't room on the train for all the passengers and their baggage then those need to be accommodated first, and a trolley wouldn't be able to get through in this case. My general view, though, is that the choice shouldn't be between adequate on-train facilities and seats; it should be between running longer trains and more trains. If that means that Network Rail have to get their shovels out, then so be it.
 

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Trolley?Buffet car?
No, a dining car where I am greeted by a by a pleasant rail employee asking me if I wish to dine this evening before passing me the menu. :D

Followed smartly by the wine list! Perhaps Sir would care for an aperitif? ;)
 
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Buffet all the way.

There's a wider selection, proper milk in the tea, a social area to stand if the train is busy, the option to have a drink with friends on the commute home and you always know where it is.

Trolleys block the aisle, serve less, take ages to move through the train and can be removed from the service all-together far easier than a buffet. Not to mention the inability to be served at a time of your chosing (if at all!) if the attendant insist on serving only at the seat.

Trolleys are undoubtedly better for people with impaired mobility, but in all other regards they seem pretty flawed to me. Of course, they both pale in comparison to the hospitality afforded by a proper restaurant carriage!
 

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What do we want from a buffet? A brew and a kit kat? I think they can be provided by a trolley. If I want a butty I am going to get one fro m Greggs or Tesco before travel and not be rinsed for doing so. Same with tea or coffee. At the weekend i take my thermos mug from home. I think some posters need to acknowledge that the world has changed and the food people want on a train, if they want any, is snackable rather than formal.
I buy sandwiches, paninnis etc from the onboard buffet whenever I can. I prefer the counter as it tends to be bean to Cup rather than instant. I'm not one for thermos mugs even though I've got countless unused examples of the darn things at home handed out by work everytime we change our trading name. Some pretty good meal deals also offered especially on VWC.
 

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I buy sandwiches, paninnis etc from the onboard buffet whenever I can. I prefer the counter as it tends to be bean to Cup rather than instant. I'm not one for thermos mugs even though I've got countless unused examples of the darn things at home handed out by work everytime we change our trading name. Some pretty good meal deals also offered especially on VWC.

I find the on board stuff over priced, smaller and of a lower quality than, say, a Greggs. Each to their own but i will only buy a sandwich on the train as a last resort. And don't get me started on the beer prices. 4 cans for a tenner is not a "deal"
 

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Careful though because if people stop buying from the trolley then they will get rid of it and the staff - something you are very vocal about not happening in other grades. Yes a buffet is preferable but if its only a trolley offering then you either support it or lose it.

Catering staff I have spoken to absolutely hate doing a trolley service. Much rather be behind a full buffet counter. So I actually consider it doing a service to catering staff by only buying from a full buffet. Might convince TOCs and our glorious **** of a transport secretary that lots of people prefer a full buffet.
 

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Neither, buffets are outdated from times where stations didn't have facilities to purchase before you travel and use up space which could otherwise be used for seating and trolleys are normally overpriced.

Although I can see the appeal for those drunks who want to stand by the buffet area making various comments about females who pass, or those unable to go an hour without having a cup of coffee
 

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Catering staff I have spoken to absolutely hate doing a trolley service. Much rather be behind a full buffet counter. So I actually consider it doing a service to catering staff by only buying from a full buffet. Might convince TOCs and our glorious **** of a transport secretary that lots of people prefer a full buffet.

If theres no buffet for them to work from how is that doing them a service?
 

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Catering staff I have spoken to absolutely hate doing a trolley service. Much rather be behind a full buffet counter. So I actually consider it doing a service to catering staff by only buying from a full buffet. Might convince TOCs and our glorious **** of a transport secretary that lots of people prefer a full buffet.
I enjoy giving a trolley service, as it allows me to upsell more by announcing and promoting my stock as I pass through (we're not allowed to use the PA, as catering Hosts) and also it 's a change of scenery in a way, moving between different coaches. I definitely take more money with a trolley service. Another problem with doing a static service, is that when a train even appears to be slightly full, some pax will decide to stand in the buffet area and not even buy anything, making it hard for actual customers to reach me.
 
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as it allows me to upsell more by announcing and promoting my stock
Out of interest, do you work on a sort of commission basis and/or monitored against what you sell? I wouldn't have thought it made much difference to catering staff how much they actually sold individually?
 

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Out of interest, do you work on a sort of commission basis and/or monitored against what you sell? I wouldn't have thought it made much difference to catering staff how much they actually sold individually?
Yes, we get a percentage of commission on what we sell and have daily sales targets, as well as regular sales reviews. Sales and also, upselling accompanying products, are a very important part of my role, which is understandable when a large company trusts you to go out on your own with their stock and make them money.
 
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Yes, we get a percentage of commission on what we sell and have daily sales targets, as well as regular sales reviews. Sales and also, upselling accompanying products, are a very important part of my role, which is understandable when a large company trusts you to go out on your own with their stock and make them money.
Fair enough - I never knew the staff had any additional incentives besides purely being there to serve customers. As you said, I guess that's to stop someone parking their trolley in the vestibule and then getting paid to spend the journey on their iPad or what-have-you.
 

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Fair enough - I never knew the staff had any additional incentives besides purely being there to serve customers. As you said, I guess that's to stop someone parking their trolley in the vestibule and then getting paid to spend the journey on their iPad or what-have-you.
That would never happen anyway, as the TMs can get quite stroppy if we don't get through every carriage within the first 30 minutes of the journey.
 

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Some enterprising TOC should do an app for at seat ordering if there is a buffet and have the trolley do that too
 

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That would never happen anyway, as the TMs can get quite stroppy if we don't get through every carriage within the first 30 minutes of the journey.

I know what would happen if any TMs at certain companies tried to get "stroppy" with the catering crews! Glass houses and all that.
 

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I don't mind either but if I go to the buffet, it's usually after the train has just left a station (and loo) so I don't have to worry about anyone running off with my rucksack.
 

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I leave a backpack on seat if im going to buffet , would not have valuables in it . If someones sitting next to me tend not to bother to go to buffet . Also tend to go between station calls and not just or before station calls
 

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Didn't XC trial something like that a couple years ago?

(Or was it VTEC?)
Yes. I ordered beef casserole & was brought to my seat in standard. Was only on the Plymouth-Edinburgh route. I was North of Newcastle at the time.
 

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I think I like the buffet for a leg stretch but the trolley is quite adequate as long as it turns up during my journey, I generally just get a hot drink and perhaps a pastry in the mornings. @NoOnesFool whats happened to the splendid lemon muffins that used to be on the EMT trolley service until recently?
 

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Depends.

When I travel First Class, I don't want to get up to get the free food.
When I travel Standard, I don't want to be bothered by an overpriced trolley coming through.
 

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I think I like the buffet for a leg stretch but the trolley is quite adequate as long as it turns up during my journey, I generally just get a hot drink and perhaps a pastry in the mornings. @NoOnesFool whats happened to the splendid lemon muffins that used to be on the EMT trolley service until recently?
Still do them, it's just that muffins and pastries sell very quickly, on Local trains, they tend to be stored in the cool bag for freshness, so be sure to ask your Host if you can't see any.
 

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Whenever these threads come around I find them faintly amusing because we know what people prefer, we don't have to speculate. There are companies with access to the real data to what people actually prefer (rather than what they say they prefer) i.e. the sales data. These commercial companies with a duty to make as much money as they can for their shareholders choose to run trolleys rather than buffets. They are doing that because that generates more sales.
I definitely take more money with a trolley service.

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