Triva - Station with the most number of "first stations" served by it.

[backontrack]

If there is a diversion in place I think Haymarket gets to 6, Brunstane and Newcraighall on the suburban (everything on between is closed).

Very true!

 

[adrock1976]

brum new st

Five Ways
Smethwick Rolfe St
Hamstead
Duddleston
Water Orton
Adderley Park
Small heath (Trains dont do that now but they have in the past!)
Kings Norton via Kings Heath

or are the last 2 cheating?

Interpreting the first and third sentences to mean first stations served that trains call at (see bolded bits below);

From London Waterloo, Vauxhall is the first station that is served (that is you do not pass through any other station before reaching it). That is one station. There are numerous first stations served by Glasgow Central (Cambuslang, Pollokshields East, Crossmyloof, Pollokshields West, Dumbreck, Cardonald, Argyle St, Anderston. That's 8 stations. Can any other station beat that? I am including low level platforms but excluding LUL, Metros, Trams etc.

The Rugeley Trent Valley trains have their first call at Tame Bridge Parkway (the next station after Hamstead, and assuming the Rugeley TV trains run via Soho)
Small Heath, although the first station on ex Great Western Railway metals from Birmingham New Street, no trains are presently scheduled to call there. From Moor Street, the first station is Bordesley, which does have a regular (albeit a parliamentary type) service, with extra calls when the dirty Bluenoses are playing at home.
Kings Norton, although it is the first station if departing New Street via the Camp Hill route, there are no trains that are scheduled to call there if going that route. However, I can remember in the mid 1990s that when Sunday engineering works were taking place on the route via Five Ways, there were Class 150s that ran to Redditch via the Camp Hill route with the first call being Kings Norton.

Being as I am originally from the West Midlands, I know the railway geography very well there.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Interpreting the first and third sentences to mean first stations served that trains call at (see bolded bits below);

The Rugeley Trent Valley trains have their first call at Tame Bridge Parkway (the next station after Hamstead, and assuming the Rugeley TV trains run via Soho)

I'm fairly sure that the first and second sentences of the starting post mean that you can only count the first station you reach (and pass through) along any line served by passenger services. They make it clear that Vauxhall is the only station that counts from Waterloo, because everything from Waterloo passes through Vauxhall: The fact that some trains don't call at Vauxhall is irrelevant. Accordingly, Tame Bridge Parkway from New Street doesn't count because trains can only reach there from New Street by passing through Hamstead.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Down fast line trains do not pass a platform at New Cross.

As above. London Bridge to Lewisham has to be viable as it only has platforms on the slow lines. Both up and down fast bypass it, there are no crossovers so coming from Lewisham via Tanners Hill and the fast lines so it's impossible to call at New Cross. Next stop London Bridge. Via the slow lines it's next stop St John's.

Yes, on looking more closely at Google Maps, you're correct. The extra platform at New Cross seems to be an additional Up Slow platform (not sure if it's actually used by passenger services?). Therefore the fast lines don't actually pass through New Cross.

That means that you're right that the 6 first stops from Lewisham become Blackheath, Hither Green, Ladywell, Nunhead, London Bridge and St. John's.

And from London Bridge, as you imply, they become Waterloo East, Blackfriars, Cannon Street, Deptford, New Cross, Lewisham, Hither Green, Ladywell, New Cross Gate and South Bermondsey. 10 stations in total and I don't think anything is going to beat that!

 

[Esker-pades]

Yes, on looking more closely at Google Maps, you're correct. The extra platform at New Cross seems to be an additional Up Slow platform (not sure if it's actually used by passenger services?). Therefore the fast lines don't actually pass through New Cross.

That means that you're right that the 6 first stops from Lewisham become Blackheath, Hither Green, Ladywell, Nunhead, London Bridge and St. John's.

And from London Bridge, as you imply, they become Waterloo East, Blackfriars, Cannon Street, Deptford, New Cross, Lewisham, Hither Green, Ladywell, New Cross Gate and South Bermondsey. 10 stations in total and I don't think anything is going to beat that!

The layout at New Cross is:
Platform D (East London Line Bay)
Platform C (Down Slow)
Platform B (Slow Bi-Directional - Mainly Up
Platform A (Up Slow)
Down Fast (No platform)
Up Fast (No platform)

 

[adrock1976]

I'm fairly sure that the first and second sentences of the starting post mean that you can only count the first station you reach (and pass through) along any line served by passenger services. They make it clear that Vauxhall is the only station that counts from Waterloo, because everything from Waterloo passes through Vauxhall: The fact that some trains don't call at Vauxhall is irrelevant. Accordingly, Tame Bridge Parkway from New Street doesn't count because trains can only reach there from New Street by passing through Hamstead.

I have re-read the first sentence and it states "From London Waterloo, Vauxhall is the first station that is served (that is you do not pass through any other station before reaching it)", which I interpret as being a passenger call. If it said "reach", I would not have responded earlier as to reach the first station, the train does not necessarily have to call.

I still stand my my previous comments. Perhaps backontrack could clarify?

 

[Mag_seven]

Unless I've picked the OPs question wrongly:-

Rogerstone should read Pye Corner, Bridgend read Pontyclun, Llanharan not the first, Barry pass through Grangetown, Radyr read Waungron Park.

It's definitely not 9 for Cardiff Central:

Newport
Pye Corner
Cardiff QS
Grangetown
Pontyclun
Ninian Park

I make that 6.

 

[Mag_seven]

Yes, on looking more closely at Google Maps, you're correct. The extra platform at New Cross seems to be an additional Up Slow platform (not sure if it's actually used by passenger services?). Therefore the fast lines don't actually pass through New Cross.

That means that you're right that the 6 first stops from Lewisham become Blackheath, Hither Green, Ladywell, Nunhead, London Bridge and St. John's.

And from London Bridge, as you imply, they become Waterloo East, Blackfriars, Cannon Street, Deptford, New Cross, Lewisham, Hither Green, Ladywell, New Cross Gate and South Bermondsey. 10 stations in total and I don't think anything is going to beat that!

I'm going to have to check that one in the morning!

 

[61653 HTAFC]

A few smaller stations score quite highly on this, perhaps surprisingly:

Mirfield is 4: Deighton, Brighouse, Wakefield Kirkgate and Ravensthorpe.

Brighouse is 4: Halifax, Deighton, Mirfield and Sowerby Bridge.

Pontefract Monkhill is also 4: Doncaster, Knottingley, Glasshoughton and Pontefract Tanshelf.

As mentioned upthread, Leeds has 7 with Cottingley, Outwood, Bramley, Kirkstall Forge, Burley Park, Cross Gates and Woodlesford. Prior to the opening of Kirkstall Forge it was 8 (Guiseley and Apperley Bridge).

 

[DanNCL]

Ashford International has 7: Pluckley, Charing, Westenhanger, Wye, Ham Street, Ebbsfleet International and Calais Frethun.

 

[Kite159]

I thought about that, but are there any services directly from Motherwell to Uddingston these days?

On a random weekday, at least:
0647 North Berwick to Glasgow Central runs direct from Motherwell to Uddingston

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Kirkgate also has Fitzwilliam, Streethouse and Woodlesford. Not sure how you get Doncaster though.

It doesn't have Woodlesford, as all services pass through Normanton first. So that makes Kirkgate a 6.

 

[Iskra]

Kirkgate also has Fitzwilliam, Streethouse and Woodlesford. Not sure how you get Doncaster though.

How do you get to Woodlesford without passing through Normanton first?

Doncaster: it depends how you interpret the OP’s question. It’s the first call on GC, but yes Fitzwilliam is the first on that line but no trains call there from Kirkgate.

 

[PR1Berske]

Preston has five:

• Salwick
• Lancaster
• Lostock
• Leyland (technically)

Why 'technically'? I would have thought that would have been a disclaimer for Salwick!

 

[Llama]

Manchester Victoria:

Deansgate
Eccles
Salford Central
Salford Crescent (via Chat Moss lines / Ordsall Lane)
Moston
Ashton under Lyne
Denton
Ashburys

 

[Eccles1983]

Man Vic has 7
Moston, (down fast,) Ashton u Lyme, down slow) Manchester Piccadilly via Ashbury's (technically ECS only) deansgate via the chord, Salford Central,- (down Salford,) Salford crescent via ordsall lane, Eccles via chat moss.

All possible first stops.

 

[Eccles1983]

Forgot about Denton. Oops

 

[Mag_seven]

Doncaster: it depends how you interpret the OP’s question. It’s the first call on GC, but yes Fitzwilliam is the first on that line but no trains call there from Kirkgate.

If the service that is first call Kirkgate passes through Fitzwiliam then Kirkgate does not count.

Manchester Victoria:

Deansgate
Eccles
Salford Central
Salford Crescent (via Chat Moss lines / Ordsall Lane)
Moston
Ashton under Lyne
Denton
Ashburys

I can't see any services from Manchester Victoria that call at either Denton or Ashburys?

 

[xotGD]

It doesn't have Woodlesford, as all services pass through Normanton first. So that makes Kirkgate a 6.

Sorry , yes - for some reason I was placing the junction the wrong side of Normanton.

 

[Cherry_Picker]

Tamworth has four:

• Lichfield Trent Valley
• Burton-upon-Trent
• Nuneaton
• Wilnecote

Minor quibble, but southbound out of Tamworth on the WCML would be Atherstone, not Nuneaton . Coming into Tamworth on the same line it would be the one platformed wonder that is Polesworth.

 

[tommy2215]

Chesterfield has 6 - Belper, Alfreton, Dronfield, and if you go via the old road there's also Woodhouse, Rotherham Central and Swinton.

 

[Llama]

Wigan NW. If we are sticking to first stations actually called at.
Leyland (Fast lines),
Euxton BL (Slows),
Ince,
Bryn,
Warrington BQ,
Manchester Oxford Rd

 

[Parallel]

Westbury has 5

Trowbridge, Pewsey, Dilton Marsh, Frome and Bruton. Though the ‘first station’ would only be Bruton if there were problems on the loop.

Trowbridge has 4

Melksham, Bradford on Avon, Westbury and Pewsey (though trains are currently running non stop Trowbridge - Frome via the Westbury avoiding line but I haven’t counted it as it isn’t a direct route)

 

[mm333]

Sheffield has four:

• Meadowhall
• Darnall
• Dronfield
• Dore

Sheffield has 5. Add Rotherham Central to the list for the 3 services a day that go use Woodburn Junction-Rotherham Central Junction

 

[mm333]

Doncaster has 8 in actual use: Kirk Sandall, Gainsborough LR, Retford, Conisborough, Bentley, Pontefract M, York, Selby.

I'd make Doncaster 9½: 2200 KGX-NCL is booked via Sherburn-in-Elmet, and one train a week calls at Doncaster where the previous station passed through is South Milford, but I can't see a non-engineering-works return working

 

[driver_m]

Wigan NW. If we are sticking to first stations actually called at.
Leyland (Fast lines),
Euxton BL (Slows),
Ince,
Bryn,
Warrington BQ,
Manchester Oxford Rd

Make it 7 as there's a service also runs to Liverpool via the Chat Moss 1st stop Newton le Willows.

Also to the poster who said Lime St only has 1 with Edge Hill. It's actually 2. .Liverpool Central don't forget.

 

[iknowyeah]

Guide Bridge has 5.

Fairfield, Denton, Stalybridge, Flowery Field and Hyde North

 

[RPI]

Westbury;

Frome, Bruton, Dilton Marsh, Pewsey and Trowbridge.

 

[Agent_Squash]

Ashford International has 7: Pluckley, Charing, Westenhanger, Wye, Ham Street, Ebbsfleet International and Calais Frethun.

Ashford is interesting as literally all the high speed stations have avoiding lines. So St Pancras counts as well as Lille Europe and Gare du Nord?

 

[DanNCL]

Ashford is interesting as literally all the high speed stations have avoiding lines. So St Pancras counts as well as Lille Europe and Gare du Nord?

And Brussels Midi too?