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On the Settle-Carlisle line the mileposts are measured from St Pancras. As you draw close to the Newcastle line outside Carlisle, you get to milepost 307. I was wondering if there are any higher numbered mileposts in the UK. Both east and west coast main lines have mileages which keep restarting because of the way the lines were built up piecemeal historically.
 
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On the Settle-Carlisle line the mileposts are measured from St Pancras. As you draw close to the Newcastle line outside Carlisle, you get to milepost 307. I was wondering if there are any higher numbered mileposts in the UK. Both east and west coast main lines have mileages which keep restarting because of the way the lines were built up piecemeal historically.

There should be a 326 MP approaching Penzance which would be in with a good shout.
 

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Penzance is 326 miles and 50 chains at the buffer stops. Mileage is also via Plymouth Millbay. There is a change of mileage of plus 1 mile and 13 chains at the old Millbay Junction just west of Plymouth station.
 

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I have seen mileposts in the region of 280 upwards when I was on the way to Fishguard Harbour.

However, I believe this may have been measured from Paddington via Stroud, Gloucester, and the Swansea District.

Paddington - Weymouth I believe is measured via Swindon, Melksham, and Frome.

I have also seen 275 just north of London Marylebone, as the mileage was unusually measured from Manchester (London Road or Central), as that was the headquarters of the Manchester, Sheffield, & Lincolnshire Railway that was to later become the Great Central Railway.
 

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I have also seen 275 just north of London Marylebone, as the mileage was unusually measured from Manchester (London Road or Central), as that was the headquarters of the Manchester, Sheffield, & Lincolnshire Railway that was to later become the Great Central Railway.
I'm afraid you're mistaken on that front. Marylebone's at 205 miles 77 chains from Manchester.
 

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The highest "West Coast" milestone is the 263 from Euston on the approach to Holyhead.
On the WCML proper, mileposts reset at Golborne Jn (187), Preston, Lancaster, and Carlisle, reflecting the original companies that built the line.
On the ECML, mileposts reset at Colton Jn (also 187), York, Newcastle and at the Scottish border north of Berwick (then counting down to Edinburgh).
In Scotland the highest milepost is probably the 241 approaching Aberdeen, on the Caledonian route from Carlisle via Perth and Forfar (some of which is now closed).

Foreign trivia: kilometre posts from Vienna increase all the way to something like 535 at Děčin in Czechia, near the German border.
Unusually, they have not been renumbered because of the changes in national borders 100 years ago.
They reflect the original posts established by the Nordbahn (to Brno) and the Staatsbahn (onwards via Prague), on what the Czechs call their "First Railway Corridor".
Km posts in the former Yugoslavia still have their origin in Belgrade.
 
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Out of interest how did mileage posts work in Ireland before and after independence? What would be the highest there?
 

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Out of interest how did mileage posts work in Ireland before and after independence? What would be the highest there?

Based on Dublin I think. Bangor is still "miled" from there at approx 120 or so miles from Amiens Street Station. Other stations in the South may be further from one of the other Dublin terminii - I'll have to check.
 

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Foreign trivia: kilometre posts from Vienna increase all the way to something like 535 at Děčin in Czechia, near the German border.
Unusually, they have not been renumbered because of the changes in national borders 100 years ago.
They reflect the original posts established by the Nordbahn (to Brno) and the Staatsbahn (onwards via Prague), on what the Czechs call their "First Railway Corridor".
Km posts in the former Yugoslavia still have their origin in Belgrade.

In Russia there are many "stations/halts" which are simply named after the nearest kilometre post ("Ост. пункт"), the highest of these I have seen is Ост. пункт 9183km. Kilometre Post 9,288 is on Vladivostok station.
 

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Based on Dublin I think. Bangor is still "miled" from there at approx 120 or so miles from Amiens Street Station. Other stations in the South may be further from one of the other Dublin terminii - I'll have to check.

Tralee is 332km from Dublin via Mallow, so 206 miles.
I think this will be higher than anything else still in operation.
The GN reached Londonderry from Dublin via Enniskillen and Omagh, and worked to Bundoran on the west coast (all closed away from the Dublin-Belfast main line), but I think they would have been shorter.
Dublin-Belfast-Londonderry is 334km (208 miles) but I doubt the mile posts were ever contiguous, with two original companies (GN and B&NC) involved.

PS My 1938 Bradshaw has 176 miles Dublin-Dundalk-Omagh-Londonderry.
 
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In Scotland the highest milepost is probably the 241 approaching Aberdeen, on the Caledonian route from Carlisle via Perth and Forfar (some of which is now closed).
The 241mp is on the Schoolhill side of Aberdeen station. You’re correct though, it is the highest milepost in Scotland.
 

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With regard to Irish milages the highest numbered plate (rounded down to nearest mile) is Queenstown (Cobh) at 176 mîles from Dublin Kingsbridge (Heuston).

South & east of Dublin we have:-
Abbey Jn (Waterford) at 115 & Wexford at 92 miles respectively from Harcourt Street. Rosslare Harbour is 114 from Mallow via Fermoy.

Heading west from Dublin Broadstone we have:-
Ballina at 166; Westport at 161; Sligo at 134; & Galway at 126.

North we have Bangor at 126 miles from Dublin Amiens Street (Connolley) with an honorable mention for Londonderry Waterside at 95 miles from Belfast York Road via Greenisland.
 

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The 241mp is on the Schoolhill side of Aberdeen station. You’re correct though, it is the highest milepost in Scotland.
Is that because the pre-grouping railway companies had different starting points, such that, for instance although it must be about 270 miles from Stanley Junction to Wick, the Highland Railway measured all their distances from Inverness?
 

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The West Coast ones are now all incorrect anyway, because they take their figures from the original route via Wolverton which skews them somewhat. Not much granted, but strictly speaking they're not accurate. (Maybe other lines that have had small rebuilds like at Selby may skew them too?) If they were all redone to their natural ends, the West Coast would be near 400 I think. Anyway, I wonder if NR will ever convert to KM posts as once rumoured?
 

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(Maybe other lines that have had small rebuilds like at Selby may skew them too.)

When the Selby diversion was built, the ECML mileposts were re-done as far as York, where the mileage changes at the station anyway.

North of York the mileage is still the original Great North of England Railway mileage. There is a replica North Eastern Railway datum post on York station, adjacent to the passage from the footbridge to platform 9.
 

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The West Coast ones are now all incorrect anyway, because they take their figures from the original route via Wolverton which skews them somewhat. Not much granted, but strictly speaking they're not accurate. (Maybe other lines that have had small rebuilds like at Selby may skew them too?) If they were all redone to their natural ends, the West Coast would be near 400 I think. Anyway, I wonder if NR will ever convert to KM posts as once rumoured?
The Quail (mine isn't the latest version) shows "Wolverton deviation 51.40-52.72 (35 yards longer)" but no change of mileage is shown in the vicinity. As usual practice is inconsistent, as the re-alignment at Newton Hall north of Durham shows a change of mileage from 67.71 1/2 to 68. Where the mileage changes there should be a change of Engineers Line Reference but here there isn't.

Modern practice is generally to accept the numerous gaps, jumps and inconsistencies in the mileage rather than re-miling. This is probably because there are so many records and drawings that use the ELR and mileage as unique references to a particular bit of line, and changing all these would be costly and probably introduce errors. Anyone know if Oxford-Bicester was re-miled along with its reversal of Up and Down?
 

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Foreign trivia: kilometre posts from Vienna increase all the way to something like 535 at Děčin in Czechia, near the German border.
Unusually, they have not been renumbered because of the changes in national borders 100 years ago.
They reflect the original posts established by the Nordbahn (to Brno) and the Staatsbahn (onwards via Prague), on what the Czechs call their "First Railway Corridor".
Km posts in the former Yugoslavia still have their origin in Belgrade.
Děčin is even more interesting. It's actually two towns, with the old Děčin on the right bank of the Elbe/Laba and the old Podmokly on the left bank, represented in the last Sudetenland days as Tetschen-Bodenbach. The main railway route is that on the left bank, and the kilometres from Vienna via Prague end in the main station at 539.683. This is also the point where the Saxon State Railways line on to Dresden has its zero-point, well on the Austrian (Bohemian) side of the historic border between the Habsburg Empire and the Kingdom of Saxony. But there was another route from Vienna to Děčin, that of the Austrian Nordwestbahn, running on the right bank before crossing the river just north of Děčin to a junction with the Saxon line at what is now Děčin-Prostředni Žleb at 4.070 km on that line and 459.206 km from Wien Nordwestbahnhof. Again, the old measuring of the imperial railway carries on through what became Czechoslovakia at the end of the First World War—the Czechs, in marked contrast with the Poles, never bothered to change things! Heading south, the Nordwestbahn line does not diverge towards Prague by leaving the Elbe/Laba valley and following the Moldau/Vltava valley, but carries on broadly along the Elbe/Laba valley until it eventually turns away to the south-east and runs through Havličkúv Brod to Žnojmo (the historic boundary-town between Austria and Moravia) to the present international Šatov/Retz border at 87.7 km. In Vienna, the Nordwestbahnhof is still there as a freight depot, but no longer connected to its former main line because the Danube bridge is gone. The Nordwestbahn line is accessed over the Nordbhan bridge via Floridsdorf.
 

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On the ECML, mileposts reset at Colton Jn (also 187), York, Newcastle and at the Scottish border north of Berwick (then counting down to Edinburgh).
There always used to be two sets into York, with the GN mileage continuing on the east side of the line north of Chaloners Whin and the NER series starting from York on the west side. At some stage after the opening of the Selby Deviation they were changed, the NER posts being removed north of Colton Jn and the official measurement into York for all four lines being the GN sequence from King's Cross.

Sorry — posted without seeing the point had already been made!
 

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Anyway, I wonder if NR will ever convert to KM posts as once rumoured?

The Cambrian is I think marked out in km at lineside (blue posts) for ETCS, and I think all lines converted will be similarly re-marked in km (speed limits are also in km/h).
Isn't the GW marked out in km now, at least as far as Reading?
Recent electrification schemes (since the ECML I think) have mast identifications marked in km.
LU is marked in km.
 

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LU is marked in km.

Indeed it is - they chose Ongar as the zero point when they implemented their distance marking project in the seventies. Instead of mileposts, they use white plates every hundred metres. On a recent visit to the Epping-Ongar Railway, I was pleased to see the "0.0" plate is still in position at the buffer stops, although the staff on duty weren't sure if it was original.
 

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The Cambrian is I think marked out in km at lineside (blue posts) for ETCS, and I think all lines converted will be similarly re-marked in km (speed limits are also in km/h).
Isn't the GW marked out in km now, at least as far as Reading?
Recent electrification schemes (since the ECML I think) have mast identifications marked in km.
LU is marked in km.
London to Leicester was marked out with kilometre-posts many years ago for the APT-E trials. When those ended, the fairly flimsy posts were just left, and a few were still to be seen quite a few years later.
 

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The West Coast ones are now all incorrect anyway, because they take their figures from the original route via Wolverton which skews them somewhat. Not much granted, but strictly speaking they're not accurate. (Maybe other lines that have had small rebuilds like at Selby may skew them too?) If they were all redone to their natural ends, the West Coast would be near 400 I think. Anyway, I wonder if NR will ever convert to KM posts as once rumoured?
Converted to km, with all distances measured from Brussels Midi. Isn't that the primary reason the nation voted for Brexit?
 

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With regard to Irish milages the highest numbered plate (rounded down to nearest mile) is Queenstown (Cobh) at 176 mîles from Dublin Kingsbridge (Heuston).

South & east of Dublin we have:-
Abbey Jn (Waterford) at 115 & Wexford at 92 miles respectively from Harcourt Street. Rosslare Harbour is 114 from Mallow via Fermoy.

Heading west from Dublin Broadstone we have:-
Ballina at 166; Westport at 161; Sligo at 134; & Galway at 126.

North we have Bangor at 126 miles from Dublin Amiens Street (Connolley) with an honorable mention for Londonderry Waterside at 95 miles from Belfast York Road via Greenisland.
Are Irish rail distances in Km or miles?
 

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I did a quick study a few years ago reviewing a proposal to convert part of the Hedjaz railway in Jordan into a light rail route. The plans were drawn up using km from Damascus!
 

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On the other end of the scale, I'm sure London Euston is mile post -0.03

When I'm out and about on the railways, I do find mileage posts interesting and tend to look out for them. The blue ones in the south west area are easy to spot. Some lines they are totally missing

Down south the most changes of mileages, seem to occur on the line from London Marylebone to Banbury.

I've always wondered just how accurate mile posts are.
 
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