Is it possible to determine the booked rolling stock type using the headcode?

[BrooklyBay]

Forgive the ignorance, but is there a way to find out what type of train will run a specific service?

Both Meridians and 125s run on the Sheffield - London route and I'm intrigued to know which services use which train type.

I've got as far as getting headcodes for the services, but don't know if that helps me or not!

 

[TrainTube]

Pretty sure the HSTs only run on the Nottingham fast service, meridians run all others.

 

[APT618S]

EMT HST diagrams can be downloaded from the 125 group website:
https://www.125group.org.uk/current-operators/east-midlands-trains/
Link to PDF near the bottom of the page
The other diagrams will be booked for meridians.

 

[_toommm_]

The booked traction shows on RTT - now I'm not one to refer people to it, but for East Midlands' long distance services, their booked traction is fairly accurate, so that might be an idea of where to look.

 

[_toommm_]

Pretty sure the HSTs only run on the Nottingham fast service, meridians run all others.

Nope. At least the first two departures on M-F from Sheffield are HSTs, along with the 07:37????? and a departure just after midday, with the Leeds services too

 

[PHILIPE]

The booked traction shows on RTT - now I'm not one to refer people to it, but for East Midlands' long distance services, their booked traction is fairly accurate, so that might be an idea of where to look.

Booked Traction shown on RTT ? That is the Timing Load that is shown on RTT but in the case of "Inter City" Trains often can be the same

 

[_toommm_]

Booked Traction shown on RTT ? That is the Timing Load that is shown on RTT but in the case of "Inter City" Trains often can be the same

That's what I meant sorry.

 

[BrooklyBay]

Yeah some of the Sheffield to London ones are 125s as well.

Thanks for the RRT tip, will see if I can deduce anything from there - I see if I search for tomorrow some do actual say "HST125" on them.

 

[Andyh82]

Yeah some of the Sheffield to London ones are 125s as well.

Thanks for the RRT tip, will see if I can deduce anything from there - I see if I search for tomorrow some do actual say "HST125" on them.

The HST diagrams have been posted above in post 3

 

[BrooklyBay]

The HST diagrams have been posted above in post 3

Ah! I hadn't entirely understood the meaning of diagrams! Thanks for that.

 

[DanTrain]

https://www.eastmidlandstrains.co.uk/Global/TT1 DEC 2018 v3.pdf

If you want the info from the horse’s mouth so to speak, EMT publish whether a service is HST or Meridian run in their timetable

 

[_toommm_]

Slightly off topic, but if you dont need to be in a rush to London, the 07:37??? from Sheffield to St. Pancras via Nottingham is a wonderful ride on a HST, and the cooked breakfast in First Class is amazing!

 

[DanTrain]

Slightly off topic, but if you dont need to be in a rush to London, the 07:37??? from Sheffield to St. Pancras via Nottingham is a wonderful ride on a HST, and the cooked breakfast in First Class is amazing!

06:33 off Leeds, 07:24 Sheffield and 07:37 Chesterfield, it does indeed look lovely of you’ve got the time! Although I’m not a huge fan of EMTs HSTs myself, but Breakfast might just about compensate .

 

[43096]

https://www.eastmidlandstrains.co.uk/Global/TT1 DEC 2018 v3.pdf

If you want the info from the horse’s mouth so to speak, EMT publish whether a service is HST or Meridian run in their timetable

But in the past have not always been accurate in that regard.

 

[43096]

Oh ok...but surely if EMTs info is wrong now and then then everyone else’s (RTT, 125 group etc) is also wrong, or di they have other sources?

Other sources.

 

[DanTrain]

Other sources.

Such as!?

 

[43096]

Such as!?

Does it matter? They’re not publicly available.

 

[DanTrain]

Does it matter? They’re not publicly available.

Oh I see like rostering diagrams or something. Doesn’t really matter, just nosey!

 

[yorkie]

The booked traction shows on RTT - ..

The open data used by sites such as RealTimeTrains and Open Train Times does not include booked traction.

It does include timing load information, which - on some operators - can give a good indication of likely booked traction.

 

[DarloRich]

It does include timing load information, which - on some operators - can give a good indication of likely booked traction.

subject to short notice alteration or cancellation

 

[Mag_seven]

It does include timing load information, which - on some operators - can give a good indication of likely booked traction.

I quite like the "timing load" shown for the 16.36 Paddington-Didcot.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C54277/2019/04/05/advanced

"Electric locomotive, trailing load 802 tonnes"

Anyone turning up and expecting an electric loco out of Paddington is going to be disappointed!

 

[cactustwirly]

The booked traction shows on RTT - now I'm not one to refer people to it, but for East Midlands' long distance services, their booked traction is fairly accurate, so that might be an idea of where to look.

Not always! Had booked 222 services with HST timing loads before!

 

[Deepgreen]

To answer the question in the thread's title - no. The headcode will only be an indication of train type, individual number, etc. The type of rolling stock will only have to fulfil these broad criteria, and not always even that - emergency stock substitutions will still have the same headcode.