Kite159
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All English final in the Europa League as well.
When was the last time both finals had 4 teams from the same country?
When was the last time both finals had 4 teams from the same country?
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Xenophon PCDGS
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This of course will see two English clubs compete for the UEFA Super Cup.
Not sure that it’s ever happened?
Unless someone knows different?
All I said was play to the whistle. The ref never blew up afterwards. Would I have been happy if he had blown up after the kick? Of course not, he had no reason to. That's how it goes.
Apparently part of the thinking behind the ball boys getting the ball where it was meant to be as quickly as possible was how long Barca spent arguing with the ref in the away leg on every decision.
Spain having 3/4 was the previous most from a single nation.
According to football guru Gary Lineker 4 teams from the same country never happened before. Also with extra time the referee must play on even when the extra time is over untill the attack ends. Believe me. Several Dutch persons counted down the extra time and when that was over used strong language with a video of course.
DarloRich
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apparently not.
twas ever thus - in any event there are always tickets available if you know where to look
No, that's not the case. The referee will blow the whistle when they think time is up, regardless of whether a team is attacking or not. There are famous occasions of time being called mid attack (e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...g-moments-clive-thomas-denies-zico-and-brazil ). The extra time announced is merely an estimate by the fourth official, the referee's watch is the only timepiece that matters. Plus additional time can be added on during extra time for stoppages, so the estimate might have been right then but is wrong later.
It's not an estimate by the fourth official.
Added time is decided by the referee, and he tells the fourth official how long it will be, so he can put the number in the board. This will usually happen a minute or two before the end of the 45/90 minutes, so any additional stoppage in the last couple of minutes can also be added on at the end of stoppage time.
And of course you can add on time for stoppages in stoppage time. The game ends at the referee’s discretion, and it’s common convention that if there is a player about to score then the game should not be ended at that point.
scotrail158713
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It’s a decision between the fourth official and the referee. It’s always announced as a MINIMUM of X minutes added time anyway so the game can continue until 9X:59 if the referee feels necessary. What annoys me though is referees stopping attacks the moment the clock reaches, for example, 94:00 if 4 minutes added time have been announced.
Pakenhamtrain
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I've never understood why soccer is lax when it comes to timekeeping. Other sports have dedicated timekeepers.
Old Yard Dog
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In practice, referees seldom blow up while an attack is in progress. Often they wait for the goalie to kick the ball out. And I think that make sense.
I remember a ref blowing up for half time at Burnden Park when a Halifax shot was rocketing towards the top corner. To make matters worse, it was uncertain whether he had disallowed the goal or not and I had to wait till after the game to find out if the score was 2-0 or 2-1 to Bolton.
A similar incident happened at the end of a Colchester v Bradford game at Layer Road in 1969. Colchester scored with the last kick of the game but we weren't 100% sure whether we'd lost 2-1 or drawn 1-1 till we listened to Sports Report on the supporters coach outside.
I remember a ref blowing up for half time at Burnden Park when a Halifax shot was rocketing towards the top corner. To make matters worse, it was uncertain whether he had disallowed the goal or not and I had to wait till after the game to find out if the score was 2-0 or 2-1 to Bolton.
A similar incident happened at the end of a Colchester v Bradford game at Layer Road in 1969. Colchester scored with the last kick of the game but we weren't 100% sure whether we'd lost 2-1 or drawn 1-1 till we listened to Sports Report on the supporters coach outside.
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I'm not sure whether there is a connection or not, and I may be making 2+2=5, but Yeovil Town and Notts County are probably the two fourth division teams who have invested the most in women's football over the last few years.
Football is an art and not a science.
Xenophon PCDGS
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As they often say in the New Testament....."and it came to pass"......
Evo Stik Premier League....Play-offs
South Sheilds 1 ... Warrington Town 2.
Make it like rugby? Ball has to go dead from play first!
Going for a more rugby like system has been considered in the past https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/17/football-rule-makers-reducing-games-60-minutes though I can’t seem to find a statement on why it’s not been taken up.
familyguy99
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National League - Play Offs Final
Salford City 3-0 AFC Fylde
Salford have been promoted to Football League after beating Fylde and it fair to say that they wouldn't be in football league next season if it wasn't for class of 92 co-owned the club.
I never thought I see Oldham Athletic playing Salford in Football league but that will be case next season and I be hoping to go to away game but I doubt I get ticket specially if Salford away end hold only 500 fans and sure Latics season ticket holders will get all tickets before they go on general sale.
Salford City 3-0 AFC Fylde
Salford have been promoted to Football League after beating Fylde and it fair to say that they wouldn't be in football league next season if it wasn't for class of 92 co-owned the club.
I never thought I see Oldham Athletic playing Salford in Football league but that will be case next season and I be hoping to go to away game but I doubt I get ticket specially if Salford away end hold only 500 fans and sure Latics season ticket holders will get all tickets before they go on general sale.
Ah great stuff.
The attendance was only 8,000 or so, at Wembley. Two inflated pub teams with no fans, as I read someone describe them on Twitter.
Xenophon PCDGS
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What are the average home game attendances for both Salford City and AFC Fylde, in answer to your mention of an 8,000 attendance at a football stadium about 200 miles away from north-west England, where Tottenham Hotspur, a London based club, played many of their home matches this season? Where did you expect any extra match attendees to come from?
I see that you follow the Gospel according to Twitter. It does not say much about the standard of the teams in that league, if two "pub teams" can qualify for play-off places at the end of a season....
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Isn’t that a decent attendance for a level 5? Average attendances this season
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61653 HTAFC
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8,000 is a pathetic attendance for a play-off final at that level. If both clubs struggle to hit 5k for such an important game I fear for their sustainability. Average attendances during the regular season are one thing, but if a club can't hit 5 figures for a final at Wembley (outside of a fan protest as was seen at Blackpool in recent years) it's a poor do.
Indeed - it is a woeful attendance.
2014: 19,000
2015: 47,000
2016: 17,000
2017: 18,000
2018: 16,000
2019: 8,000
Xenophon PCDGS
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Where were these matches played, what travelling distances were involved and who were the two teams?
Remember it was you who brought the "pub teams" statement into this debate. Do "pub teams" in your area command attendances far in excess of the number of regular drinkers in those places of imbibement.
Wembley is no longer the be-all and end-all that it was in the days of rattles and flat caps.
61653 HTAFC
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For an example of comparative attendances, the 1989 FA Vase final (at the old Wembley) was watched by 26,489 people. The teams were Sudbury Town and Tamworth. Those are both easier trips than Salford or Fylde, but not three times easier!
At the new Wembley, the record for the Vase final is 36,232. The teams for that game were Truro City (not an easy journey, certainly tougher than Salford) and AFC Totton.
Both of those games had nothing at stake but having some silverware in the clubhouse for a year. Play-offs have much higher stakes and greater spoils for the victors. If a club can't attract a bumper crowd for a play-off final at Wembley I fear for their future at the level they're at, let alone the level they're playing to achieve.
Oh, and the "pub teams" comment was clearly a dig at the lack of history of the two clubs involved. Both are bankrolled by rich owners and haven't really been adopted or embraced by their local communities. I'm not sure if you're taking that comment out of context on purpose, but doing so only serves as a strawman.
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They are very small clubs for that division, and yes it's because of their financial backers that they got into that position ( like smaller versions of Manchester City)
The attendance was actually not bad for such tiny clubs, far away from London.
The attendance was actually not bad for such tiny clubs, far away from London.