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Abellio Greater Anglia Class 755s (Regional Trains)

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1/2 Flirts seen at Stowmarket today at 13:28 / 13:32. The reason for the uncertainty was I spotted the first whilst approaching the level crossing and it was heading in the London direction at relatively low speed. Definitely a 755 as it had a short power car but it also had its pantograph up. 4 minutes later a similar train headed in the other direction also at low speed with pantograph up in the other direction. As I was several cars back from the level crossing barriers I could not see any train numbers so cannot say definitely whether it was the same train or not.
 
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1/2 Flirts seen at Stowmarket today at 13:28 / 13:32. The reason for the uncertainty was I spotted the first whilst approaching the level crossing and it was heading in the London direction at relatively low speed. Definitely a 755 as it had a short power car but it also had its pantograph up. 4 minutes later a similar train headed in the other direction also at low speed with pantograph up in the other direction. As I was several cars back from the level crossing barriers I could not see any train numbers so cannot say definitely whether it was the same train or not.

it will have been the same one. It was due to go to Ipswich but instead terminated and returned to Norwich from Stowmarket platform 2. Not sure what the reason was but it was certainly in the way of the 13:00 from Norwich.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/F00331/2019/10/11/advanced

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/F00332/2019/10/11/advanced
 

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Clearly there are issues surrounding the introduction of the new stock. The fact that GA has made no public announcement of their ongoing, and perhaps somewhat revised, plans does not give confidence that a resolution is even close.

This article appeared in East Anglian Daily Times 10th October concerning the current plight of students from Saxmundham (East Suffolk Line) who rely on the 07.44 to Lowestoft to attend school.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/saxmundham-students-greater-anglia-cancellations-1-6314956
The 07.44 Greater Anglia service from Saxmundham to Lowestoft, which many students rely on to attend Lowestoft Sixth Form College, has been cancelled as much as four times a week in recent weeks.
Julia Ewart, a Saxmundham Lib Dem politician, arranged a meeting with parents after their children had been left stranded in the mornings making the journey to school.
She said: "The students worry about attendance and, importantly, missing classes and information at this intense time.
"Walking into class half way through does not go down well with teachers.
"There is a feeling by train staff that the service, which starts at Saxmundham, will be cancelled totally. Then what?"

Approximately 20 students make the 50-minute journey to Lowestoft from Saxmundham station every day, with a pass costing £92 a month.
However, cancellations frequently result in parents having to make back-up plans for their children.
Mrs Ewart criticised Greater Anglia for the cancellations, saying the firm need to consider their "civic responsibility" of ensuring students are able to attend the school and receive an education.
She added: "All services need to up their game and meet the expectations of their customers.
"Our young have been tempted by the magnificent facilities at Lowestoft, but given the train service they pay for is so unreliable, they are really up against it to fulfil the commitment expected of them."

Greater Anglia said in a statement: "We're sorry for the inconvenience caused to customers when any of our services are cancelled. When the 07.44 Lowestoft to Saxmundham service has been cancelled, we have advised customers to catch the next train at 08.15, which arrives at Lowestoft at 09.06.
"Unfortunately, recently we've had to cancel services after trains have been severely damaged due to collisions on the line with trees and animals. We advise any customers affected by the cancellation of this service to claim Delay Repay compensation."
The reported Greater Anglia statement makes absolutely no mention of the new (and totally adequate) trains to run their service, either in the near future or at some slightly more distant time.

Am I wrong to start thinking that GA is in even more difficulty with the Stadler 755 fleet than has been hitherto thought likely?

As an aside, perhaps these severely inconvenienced would be passengers of the railway should go for the 'Seph Pochin' gambit?
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/greater-anglia-sued-warrant-for-baliffs-issued.161891/
 

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Clearly there are issues surrounding the introduction of the new stock. The fact that GA has made no public announcement of their ongoing, and perhaps somewhat revised, plans does not give confidence that a resolution is even close.

This article appeared in East Anglian Daily Times 10th October concerning the current plight of students from Saxmundham (East Suffolk Line) who rely on the 07.44 to Lowestoft to attend school.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/saxmundham-students-greater-anglia-cancellations-1-6314956

The reported Greater Anglia statement makes absolutely no mention of the new (and totally adequate) trains to run their service, either in the near future or at some slightly more distant time.

Am I wrong to start thinking that GA is in even more difficulty with the Stadler 755 fleet than has been hitherto thought likely?

As an aside, perhaps these severely inconvenienced would be passengers of the railway should go for the 'Seph Pochin' gambit?
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/greater-anglia-sued-warrant-for-baliffs-issued.161891/

It's right out of the GA PR playbook at the end of the day that if there is no good news to say you say nothing at all and avoid commenting on it and try and deflect. Ever since their plans were presented to the public for the new franchise we've seen spin, deflection, incorrect statements, exaggeration, taking credit for work that happened under former franchisees and blaming external factors.

The simple fact is the bid required everything to happen in a fairly short space of time, requiring every little thing to go right, For Stadler to have no problems on their first ever UK build, for Bombardier to deliver everything on time, for everything to be given planning permission, for Network Rail to do everything on time and that the operations team would simply make things work off the bat and there would be no delays as the bid had little more than zero margin for error.

All of this was pointed out 18-24 months ago by many of us and we could see it seemed far too ambitious. Whilst it's unfortunate that some trains are out of service, the simple fact is that it was a choice of the bidding team to allow rolling stock to leave the franchise in the knowledge that this would cause a shortfall and almost nothing in reserve with anything other than a minor delay on unproven rolling stock.
 

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It's right out of the GA PR playbook at the end of the day that if there is no good news to say you say nothing at all and avoid commenting on it and try and deflect. Ever since their plans were presented to the public for the new franchise we've seen spin, deflection, incorrect statements, exaggeration, taking credit for work that happened under former franchisees and blaming external factors.

The simple fact is the bid required everything to happen in a fairly short space of time, requiring every little thing to go right, For Stadler to have no problems on their first ever UK build, for Bombardier to deliver everything on time, for everything to be given planning permission, for Network Rail to do everything on time and that the operations team would simply make things work off the bat and there would be no delays as the bid had little more than zero margin for error.

All of this was pointed out 18-24 months ago by many of us and we could see it seemed far too ambitious. Whilst it's unfortunate that some trains are out of service, the simple fact is that it was a choice of the bidding team to allow rolling stock to leave the franchise in the knowledge that this would cause a shortfall and almost nothing in reserve with anything other than a minor delay on unproven rolling stock.
I understand all of that. Ambitious yes, the GA plans were also welcomed by many including me.
We are where we are and as a pragmatist I still want to see a plan going forward and I see nothing (other than a black hole). :frown:
It is a time for someone with 'the necessary' to stand up.
 

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Clearly there are issues surrounding the introduction of the new stock. The fact that GA has made no public announcement of their ongoing, and perhaps somewhat revised, plans does not give confidence that a resolution is even close.

This article appeared in East Anglian Daily Times 10th October concerning the current plight of students from Saxmundham (East Suffolk Line) who rely on the 07.44 to Lowestoft to attend school.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/saxmundham-students-greater-anglia-cancellations-1-6314956

The reported Greater Anglia statement makes absolutely no mention of the new (and totally adequate) trains to run their service, either in the near future or at some slightly more distant time.

Am I wrong to start thinking that GA is in even more difficulty with the Stadler 755 fleet than has been hitherto thought likely?

As an aside, perhaps these severely inconvenienced would be passengers of the railway should go for the 'Seph Pochin' gambit?
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/greater-anglia-sued-warrant-for-baliffs-issued.161891/
the new trains are very adequate indeed!
having travelled on a 755/4 I consider them to be a vast improvement on the 15x/170's

I would be curious as to what the actual problem is with 755/3 introduction.
 
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the new trains are very adequate indeed!
having travelled on a 755/4 I consider them to be a vast improvement on the 15x/170's

I would be curious as to what the actual problem is with 755/3 introduction.
Agreed, the 755/3 delay gets more puzzling the longer it goes on. They are superb trains.
 
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The long-suffering Saxmundham students still relying on the 07.44 will have been late for school again today. Train cancelled, according to RTT:
This service was cancelled throughout due to a problem at the depot (MU).
I believe that this service is formed off 2D66 ex Ipswich which was also cancelled, same reason.
Whilst the Saxmundham cancellation will not have been a 755, I note more cancellations in/out of Norwich today, some of which almost certainly would have been.
Reported by EDP (Eastern Daily Press):
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/greate...stoft-sheringham-services-cancelled-1-6322735
Morning commuters face disruption after several trains between Norwich and the coast were cancelled.
The 6.45am service from Norwich to Lowestoft, the 7.15am service from Norwich to Sheringham, the 7.33am service from Lowestoft to Norwich and the 8.22am service from Sheringham to Norwich have all been cancelled this morning (Tuesday).

This followed earlier cancellations of the 6.24am service from Great Yarmouth to Norwich and the 5.53am Cromer to Norwich service.

Greater Anglia said the cancellations were due to train faults.
GA are surely heading for some serious examination very soon?
 

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The long-suffering Saxmundham students still relying on the 07.44 will have been late for school again today. Train cancelled, according to RTT:

I believe that this service is formed off 2D66 ex Ipswich which was also cancelled, same reason.
Whilst the Saxmundham cancellation will not have been a 755, I note more cancellations in/out of Norwich today, some of which almost certainly would have been.
Reported by EDP (Eastern Daily Press):
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/greate...stoft-sheringham-services-cancelled-1-6322735

GA are surely heading for some serious examination very soon?

They're at least two 755s down this morning and there's reports of another one missing out stops because of problems with the train apparently.

As someone who used to use the local lines 10 times a month or so for business travel, I have only been on 4 trains in the last 3 months or so on them and two of them were because car was in for a service.

Even if you are lucky enough to get a train, the chances are it's going to be short-formed, so I've just given up and GA have lost a bunch of revenue for the foreseeable future.

People who have other options simply won't bother using the train when it's so unrelaible as it is at the moment, far better to use your car.
 
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The long-suffering Saxmundham students still relying on the 07.44 will have been late for school again today. Train cancelled, according to RTT:

I believe that this service is formed off 2D66 ex Ipswich which was also cancelled, same reason.
Whilst the Saxmundham cancellation will not have been a 755, I note more cancellations in/out of Norwich today, some of which almost certainly would have been.
Reported by EDP (Eastern Daily Press):
https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/greate...stoft-sheringham-services-cancelled-1-6322735

GA are surely heading for some serious examination very soon?

The 'MU' delay code, maybe a bit of a catch all when logging delays into TDA, and will get changed to something else later, 2D66 stabled overnight at Ipswich

The cancellations always look at lot, but only needs 1 unit not playing, means quite a few not running over the course of the day.
 

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Although a 755 must have been off diagram as journey check mentioned particular services not calling at Brundall Gardens and Haddiscoe due to a “train fault”.
 

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The 'MU' delay code, maybe a bit of a catch all when logging delays into TDA, and will get changed to something else later, 2D66 stabled overnight at Ipswich

The cancellations always look at lot, but only needs 1 unit not playing, means quite a few not running over the course of the day.
Thanks!
It was at least 3 diagrams affected early doors, seems to have resolved now.
 

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DfT are probably too busy working out how to keep the Channel Tunnel open. I agree that the GA statement was not good enough. "We know how frustrating it is", "we're working hard to get new trains in service as soon as possible" and "we're reaching out to colleges and schools to explain the issues". All 'Customer Service Training Day One' stuff. If they don't have the intelligence to explain the problem, it's unlikely they'll be able to solve it.
 

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Unit 424 in Platform 6 at Cambridge this morning (the one that berths overnight to form the 0602 to Norwich).

Interestingly first time I've seen one with the pantograph raised...presumably to keep it powered up overnight?
 

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5D69 seems to have gone out to Lowestoft, then 2D69 cancelled along with the 08:03 Ipswich-Peterborough and return where it's timed as a 321 bin EMU Ipswich-Stowmarket and 158 express sprinter after. Was it a 755?
 

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5D69 seems to have gone out to Lowestoft, then 2D69 cancelled along with the 08:03 Ipswich-Peterborough and return where it's timed as a 321 bin EMU Ipswich-Stowmarket and 158 express sprinter after. Was it a 755?
Doubt it, I think they've only done a handful of test runs on that route so far. Wouldn't pay much attention to the timing loads on RTT. Depending upon how the underlying data is structured, there may not be timing data for DMUs on the GEML, so they just use the 321 data as the closest match. Or a mistake.
 

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Doubt it, I think they've only done a handful of test runs on that route so far. Wouldn't pay much attention to the timing loads on RTT. Depending upon how the underlying data is structured, there may not be timing data for DMUs on the GEML, so they just use the 321 data as the closest match. Or a mistake.
Looking at it more, it seems that all have been set this way since the May 2019 timetable change. Before that, it was timed as a 158 throughout.
 

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Unit 424 in Platform 6 at Cambridge this morning (the one that berths overnight to form the 0602 to Norwich).

Interestingly first time I've seen one with the pantograph raised...presumably to keep it powered up overnight?

Does the pantograph being up indicate that the 755s have been cleared to use electric between Cambridge and Ely
 

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Saw a 755 at 10.50am yesterday heading south from CBG to B Stortford from c 200yards could not see any sign of the pan being up but it was very quiet.

Its also the first 755 timings ive seen listed on realtime trains
 
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5D69 seems to have gone out to Lowestoft, then 2D69 cancelled along with the 08:03 Ipswich-Peterborough and return where it's timed as a 321 bin EMU Ipswich-Stowmarket and 158 express sprinter after. Was it a 755?

755s, are only on the Yarmouth's, Lowestoft's and Cambridge services so far, Cromer line they say next few weeks, they are on test trips Norwich to Harwich and Cambridge and back again 5D69/2D69 still booked for a 156
 

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755s, are only on the Yarmouth's, Lowestoft's and Cambridge services so far, Cromer line they say next few weeks, they are on test trips Norwich to Harwich and Cambridge and back again 5D69/2D69 still booked for a 156
Thanks for the extra info. As above, it seems all timings changed in May.
 

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9:40 Norwich to Yarmouth was a single 153 today instead of a 755.

Also Journeycheck is showing two Sherringham diagrams as being booked for a 755 but being short formed, one with a 153 and the other with a 2 car DMU.
 

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9:40 Norwich to Yarmouth was a single 153 today instead of a 755.

Also Journeycheck is showing two Sherringham diagrams as being booked for a 755 but being short formed, one with a 153 and the other with a 2 car DMU.
The Scud went on to do the 1240 Cambridge too. Returns to the Wherry lines from 1536.
 

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