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If the railways were re-nationalised

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2011dandd

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Hi
Just wondered, if Corbyn managed to get in to number 10 what a national railway would mean for staff interns of pay and working conditions? Any thoughts?
 
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In the short term, nothing. Longer term, I see a chaotic 'free for all' with different groups trying to position themselves (e.g. go back to old BR vs some other way of doing things).
 

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Well it would mean a pay cut as your taxes would go up then he'd come after your pension and brass as no way would they allow drivers on 50/60k to save money tax free.
 

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Hi
Just wondered, if Corbyn managed to get in to number 10 what a national railway would mean for staff interns of pay and working conditions? Any thoughts?
It is generally considered that monopolies are not good for the economy, in other words for the population, taken as whole. Monopolies do not have to be nation-wide, for all sorts of reasons they can be geographically local and for a particular good or service effectively the only supplier. The same can be true of expensive technical kit - there is only one supplier with a suitable product. Monopolies tend to over-charge and offer less than would be the case if competition existed between the suppliers. There are roomfuls of studies and academic papers which demonstrate this effect — it is real.

Monopolies also work at the other end of the market - there can be a situation where there is only one employer. The technical term for a monopoly employer is 'monopsony' - a single purchaser. A monopoly employer in an industry always pays less than the going rate in an open market.

If Corbyn gets his way this would be the case for people working on the railways.

Following any nationalisation of the railways there will be continual Treasury pressure to minimise public spending to reduce the load on the taxpayer - regardless of what the politicians are offering at the moment. The wages, salaries and working conditions won't be immediately affected - but after ten years or so there will be a noticeable difference compared to now and to the open market.

One of the reasons NHS salaries, for example, are low compared to outside industry (although the pension scheme is good) is that it is a monopsony - there is only one employer. The increase in railway wages and salaries since BR was abolished is due to the competitive market that was created for scarce skills.
 

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Interesting comments. Cheers folks
I don’t think we are in any immediate danger of Corbyn getting anywhere near Downing Street, unless it gets turned in to an old folks home
 

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One of the reasons NHS salaries, for example, are low compared to outside industry (although the pension scheme is good) is that it is a monopsony - there is only one employer. The increase in railway wages and salaries since BR was abolished is due to the competitive market that was created for scarce skills.

They can be low-ish compared to other employers in the healthcare sector, though as you say there is the pension scheme, & usually better training & career opportunities.
It also used to be the case that all their education/training was paid for, & they got bursaries whilst studying. That's now ended, & starting salaries have gone up considerably, & are above many other professions.


As for TOC staff, I think there would still be other employers; TfL, T&W Metro, TfW, Scotrail, Merseyrail, the FOCs.
Even the metro/tram operations.
 
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