First Trenitalia (Avanti!) WCML branding, naming and livery

[The_Train]

It's Wed 27th November at a Central Birmingham location from 1730 - 1830.
The official train branding will be unveiled on Monday 09 December at Euston.

You mean they are not taking a newly branded Pendolino along the tram lines into central Birmingham?

 

[pdeaves]

My company deals with them and they are set up on the system as First Trentelia West Coast.

That would be the legal name, as opposed to the public brand.

 

[142blue]

Wednesday 27th at 1830 in Birmingham

Location I'm not sure is in the public domain or not but time and date is correct

 

[EE Andy b1]

You mean they are not taking a newly branded Pendolino along the tram lines into central Birmingham?

I think they were going to try with a Class 221, but nobody likes them, apparently!!

 

[Bletchleyite]

On Virgin yes, it's been WCT Catering as long as I can remember.

The company behind VTWC is and always has been "West Coast Trains Ltd".

 

[I13]

Oops, realise I initially posted this to the wrong First Trenitalia thread - anyway, here's 221101 in plain white livery.

 

[EE Andy b1]

Oops, realise I initially posted this to the wrong First Trenitalia thread - anyway, here's 221101 in plain white livery.

Shame as 221101 looked quite smart in the silk livery.

I wonder if the ROSCO will now get the rest of the WC Class 221s painted into a neutral livery for First Trenitalia to partially brand and then minimal external work required for the next user of the ex Virgin 221s from December 2022.

 

[syorksdeano]

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere, but Virgin have done a 2 minute video which I have no doubt will make the tv

https://twitter.com/VirginTrains/status/1197409307601469441?s=19

 

[urpert]

Oops, realise I initially posted this to the wrong First Trenitalia thread - anyway, here's 221101 in plain white livery.

Makes it look like the Belgian I11 stock that is a very distant relative :
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiture_I11?wprov=sfti1

 

[Bletchleyite]

Oops, realise I initially posted this to the wrong First Trenitalia thread - anyway, here's 221101 in plain white livery.

Looks less rubbish than a Pendolino in all white, probably because the bodyside is a bit "busier" with other stuff to break up the big area of white e.g. the PIS display.

 

[aleandrail]

First Trenitalia - LMS - AVANTI West Coast Trains - Livery/Branding/Names.

Carried over from VTWC new livery - https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/virgin-trains-vtwc-new-livery-being-introduced.151634/page-29

Not long now (08/12/19) before First Trenitalia take over the West Coast TOC, so a fleet list to be updated with the new TOCs livery.


Alstom Class 390 Pendolinos
390001 Plain White - No titles
390002 Plain White - No titles
390005 Plain White - No titles
390006 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390008 Plain White - No titles
390009 Plain White - No titles
390010 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390011 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390013 Plain White - No titles
390016 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390020 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390039 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390040 Plain White - No titles
390042 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390043 Plain White - No titles
390044 Plain White - No titles
390045 Plain White - No titles
390046 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390047 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390049 Plain White - No titles
390050 Plain White - No titles - No Black window banding

390103 Plain White - No titles
390104 Virgin "Flowing Silk"
390107 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390112 Virgin "Flowing Silk"
390114 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390115 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390117 Plain White - No titles
390118 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390119 Plain White -No titles
390121 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390122 Plain White - No titles
390123 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390124 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390125 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390126 Plain White - No titles
390127 Plain White - No titles
390128 Plain White - No titles - No Black window banding
390129 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390130 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390131 Plain White - No titles
390132 Plain White - No titles
390134 Virgin “Flowing Silk”
390135 Plain White - No titles
390136 Virgin "Flowing Silk"
390137 Plain White - No titles
390138 Plain White - No titles
390141 Plain White - No titles
390148 Virgin "Flowing Silk"
390151 Plain White - No titles
390152 Plain White - No titles
390153 Plain White - No titles
390154 Plain White - No titles
390155 Plain White - No titles
390156 Alstom Tech Widnes for painting (release 03/12/19).
390157 Virgin Silver and Red



Bombardier Class 221 Super Voyagers (to be replaced by December 2022).
221101 Plain White - No titles
221102 Silver and Red - No titles
221103 Virgin Silver and Red
221104 Virgin Silver and Red
221105 Virgin Silver and Red
221106 Silver and Red - No titles
221107 Virgin Silver and Red
221108 Virgin Silver and Red
221109 Virgin Silver and Red
221110 Virgin Silver and Red
221111 Virgin Silver and Red
221112 Virgin Silver and Red
221113 Virgin Silver and Red
221114 Virgin Silver and Red
221115 Silver and Red - Bombardier titles
221116 Virgin Silver and Red
221117 Virgin Silver and Red
221118 Silver and Red - No titles
221142 Silver and Red - No titles
221143 Virgin Silver and Red



Class ? Bi-Mode (to be introduced)

Class ? EMU (to be introduce

Looks less rubbish than a Pendolino in all white, probably because the bodyside is a bit "busier" with other stuff to break up the big area of white e.g. the PIS display.

Looks less rubbish than a Pendolino in all white, probably because the bodyside is a bit "busier" with other stuff to break up the big area of white e.g. the PIS display.

221 114 had its virgin branding removed today

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

VT managed to find a Virgin-branded 390 this morning for the prime minister's trip to Birmingham, with a media scrum.
Hopefully it will be near enough to time (slow schedule Sun am).
Pictures here (at 1104):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2019-50531778

 

[LeylandLen]

Apologies if its already been asked, but I assume all names of the 390s will go, such as 390045 Virgin Pride, but what about the ones with no 'Virgin' in the name, like City of Manchester ? 390014 ,and all other ' City; names ? Will we be getting 'City of Rome' etc given the name and home of new TOC ?

 

[coradiafan2000]

Apologies if its already been asked, but I assume all names of the 390s will go, such as 390045 Virgin Pride, but what about the ones with no 'Virgin' in the name, like City of Manchester ? 390014 ,and all other ' City; names ? Will we be getting 'City of Rome' etc given the name and home of new TOC ?

I'd say the Virgin names are certain to go, and I'm pretty sure the "City of" names will go too as it's attached to the previous operator. XC's Voyagers lost their names when they transferred from Virgin.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I'd say the Virgin names are certain to go, and I'm pretty sure the "City of" names will go too as it's attached to the previous operator. XC's Voyagers lost their names when they transferred from Virgin.

Though despite this the "Voyager" name has remained. It was previously used by BR (InterCity) to describe an enhanced Standard class on XC for long journeys, so is probably not a Virgin trademark.

 

[urpert]

I'd say the Virgin names are certain to go, and I'm pretty sure the "City of" names will go too as it's attached to the previous operator. XC's Voyagers lost their names when they transferred from Virgin.

That’s sad. There have been “City of X” nameplates on the WCML at least since the days of the 86s.

 

[Trackman]

someone took a pic inside a DRS MK3 last week, it still had a Virgin route map in it!

Also an update on custhelp: EMR are quoting 'Avanti West Coast' again and TFW now mention it too.
... well for the next hour or so !
There's also a blank 'Avanti West Coast' Wikipedia page linking to West Coast Rail, but I suppose anyone could have done that,.

 

[coradiafan2000]

That’s sad. There have been “City of X” nameplates on the WCML at least since the days of the 86s.

That's not to say the new operator won't honour tradition. That said I'd find it a bit silly to rename, for example, the current "City of Manchester" to "City of Liverpool", and vice versa.

 

[coradiafan2000]

Though despite this the "Voyager" name has remained. It was previously used by BR (InterCity) to describe an enhanced Standard class on XC for long journeys, so is probably not a Virgin trademark.

That's true, the "Adelante" name has stuck with the 180s despite not being operated by FGW anymore. "Pendolino" in particular is a name most passengers recognise, so I'd expect this to remain also.

 

[Bletchleyite]

That's true, the "Adelante" name has stuck with the 180s despite not being operated by FGW anymore. "Pendolino" in particular is a name most passengers recognise, so I'd expect this to remain also.

Though that, to be fair, is a trademark of the train builder and not the TOC.

 

[coradiafan2000]

Though that, to be fair, is a trademark of the train builder and not the TOC.

I didn't know that that. I thought FGW were the ones who gave them that name. Didn't Grand Central want to call their's "Zephyrs" but the name didn't catch on? To make this more relevant to the topic, if that was anything to go by then the First Trenitalia will have a hard time giving Pendolinos and Voyagers different names.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

As you can see, I’ve just discovered that 390039 is still Virgin branded

 

[greatvoyager]

I didn't know that that. I thought FGW were the ones who gave them that name. Didn't Grand Central want to call their's "Zephyrs" but the name didn't catch on? To make this more relevant to the topic, if that was anything to go by then the First Trenitalia will have a hard time giving Pendolinos and Voyagers different names.

Pendolino is the general name for tilting trains worldwide, but I thought the Voyager name was just for the product, rather than brand?

 

[coradiafan2000]

Pendolino is the general name for tilting trains worldwide, but I thought the Voyager name was just for the product, rather than brand?

Could be. I don't know the intricacies of these things.

 

[EE Andy b1]

if that was anything to go by then the First Trenitalia will have a hard time giving Pendolinos and Voyagers different names.

Why would they want to change 2 established names? Most people know a Pendolino and it's been a great success, not perfect and Super Voyagers will be leaving within 3 years, they just need a new name or names for there new rolling stock at the end of 2022. Although they don't need a name at all but i'm sure they will have one!!

 

[coradiafan2000]

Why would they want to change 2 established names? Most people know a Pendolino and it's been a great success, not perfect and Super Voyagers will be leaving within 3 years, they just need a new name or names for there new rolling stock at the end of 2022. Although they don't need a name at all but i'm sure they will have one!!

I wasn't suggesting they would, I was just saying that if they tried to they probably wouldn't be successful.

 

[EE Andy b1]

I wasn't suggesting they would, I was just saying that if they tried to they probably wouldn't be successful.

Yep i think your right on that.

 

[greatvoyager]

I wasn't suggesting they would, I was just saying that if they tried to they probably wouldn't be successful.

I agree, sorry I think I misunderstood your earlier point.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

They’ve covered up the safety information poster signs throughout the train saying “Your Virgin Pendolino” with one saying “Your Pendolino” on this 390 I’m on. This must mean the name Pendolino is staying!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

I didn't know that that. I thought FGW were the ones who gave them that name. ...
To make this more relevant to the topic, if that was anything to go by then the First Trenitalia will have a hard time giving Pendolinos and Voyagers different names.

I think Bletchleyite meant that Pendolinos were the manufacturer's name, not Adelante, which I think is a First Group invention.

Pendolino is the general name for tilting trains worldwide, but I thought the Voyager name was just for the product, rather than brand?

Pendolino is the trade name for Fiat Ferroviaria's tilting technology (originally ex-BR, and now Alstom), and is not a general term for tilting trains.
Sweden's X2000 is not a Pendolino, for instance, neither are the various Talgo tilting products - nor class 221 Voyagers for that matter.