cosmo
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That's good, but what about the WCML passengers for Edinburgh?
It could be that they haven't added the services in yet, but if there are none, then it'll be Carlisle and change for Newcastle and up the ECML I suppose...
That's good, but what about the WCML passengers for Edinburgh?
Bertie the Bus.That's good, but what about the WCML passengers for Edinburgh?
Not practically. You’d be looking at going Preston- Blackburn then over single track to Bolton then via Piccadilly. The via Piccadilly bit has been done before during a blockade (2019?) but they went back onto the WCML via either Eccles or Buckshaw, so electric double track all the way.(talking about Euxton) Not sure that this junction can be diverted around unless each pair of lines is sufficiently far apart that two track working (out of four) can be used.
If they’re starting from Birmingham, they can go XC direct via NCL, while from further north the full TPE service from Liverpool via NCL should be running by then and provide an alternative for some. However, as this goes from Victoria in Manchester it would not necessarily be that straightforward (especially from Wolverhampton or Crewe).That's good, but what about the WCML passengers for Edinburgh?
Looks like the plan according to RTT is Pendos from Euston as far as Carlisle, calling all/most Avanti stops (including stops at both Penrith North Lakes and Oxenholme Lake District, usually they alternate stops) and Voyagers from Carlisle to Glasgow via Dumfries, with a stop at Barrhead or Kilmarnock.
Presumably replacing a Scotrail service due to the limited pathing over the single line?Why would they stop at Barrhead?
Why would they stop at Barrhead?
If they’re starting from Birmingham, they can go XC direct via NCL, while from further north the full TPE service from Liverpool via NCL should be running by then and provide an alternative for some. However, as this goes from Victoria in Manchester it would not necessarily be that straightforward (especially from Wolverhampton or Crewe).
Not practically. You’d be looking at going Preston- Blackburn then over single track to Bolton then via Piccadilly. The via Piccadilly bit has been done before during a blockade (2019?) but they went back onto the WCML via either Eccles or Buckshaw, so electric double track all the way.
With all the above options, they should be able to avoid the need for Rail Replacement Buses .
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over 10 weekends between April and June in 2020....this will mean the short term closure of the railway.
Buses will replace trains between Carlisle and both Glasgow and Edinburgh on weekends between Saturday, April 4, and Sunday, June 7.
On most weekends, the closures will affect trains from mid-morning on Saturdays until the start of service on the following Monday.
Transpennine are running Rail Replacement Buses to Edinburgh on 4th April according to RTT
Apart from Lockerbie!
Not very possible.
Any idea of the 57s running in service with Pendolino's anymore is a non-starter.
Sam
I presume this is more to do with the 57s not being run/operated by Avanti? I thought DRS had the 57/3s still, but I imagine they'd need to make an arrangement for drags along the TVL. Voyagers of course would be able to do it; maybe a scenario where Pendo services terminate at Carlisle but Super Voyagers continue through via Newcastle?
You'll notice that the Avanti service is thinned out with 1tph turning at Carlisle & 1tph turning at Preston, that's why all trains are calling at both Oxenholme & Penrith.Looks like the plan according to RTT is Pendos from Euston as far as Carlisle, calling all/most Avanti stops (including stops at both Penrith North Lakes and Oxenholme Lake District, usually they alternate stops) and Voyagers from Carlisle to Glasgow via Dumfries, with a stop at Barrhead or Kilmarnock.
I hear that there's no problem with DRS delivering a 57 to a Pendo that requires dragging but they're not permitted to drive/haul it with passengers on so the issue must be one of safety-case.
Look at the number incidents (particularly in the north) where Pendo's have become disabled and the passengers have been evacuated onto a Vomiter prior to a 57 being attached to haul it away.
For both planned engineering work and major disruption the "powers that be" are gonna have to be having a major rethink sometime soon. In around two years time they'll be no diesel/bi-mode traction knocking around on the northern WCML to run either diverted services on non-electrified routes or perform train-to-train evacuations.
You'll notice that the Avanti service is thinned out with 1tph turning at Carlisle & 1tph turning at Preston, that's why all trains are calling at both Oxenholme & Penrith.
I'd also noticed that TPE must have had a shot of inspiration from somewhere with 1 diverted service going via the G&SW:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y33451/2020-04-04/detailed
Yes it'll be a 185 as all the GLC-LIV services are booked to be 185s until at least May.TPE using 185 i take it via GSW.
That's odd, I know that tests were done with a 57 hauling a Pendo down the N Wales coast. Maybe they concluded that there wasn't enough power for haulage and running the HVAC etc.I hear that there's no problem with DRS delivering a 57 to a Pendo that requires dragging but they're not permitted to drive/haul it with passengers on so the issue must be one of safety-case.
Look at the number incidents (particularly in the north) where Pendo's have become disabled and the passengers have been evacuated onto a Vomiter prior to a 57 being attached to haul it away.
But that was when both Pendo & 57 were operated by the same TOC.That's odd, I know that tests were done with a 57 hauling a Pendo down the N Wales coast. Maybe they concluded that there wasn't enough power for haulage and running the HVAC etc.
Not tests but in service. They were used on Saturdays on what is now 0910 to Holyhead and 1358 return.That's odd, I know that tests were done with a 57 hauling a Pendo down the N Wales coast. Maybe they concluded that there wasn't enough power for haulage and running the HVAC etc.
Not tests but in service. They were used on Saturdays on what is now 0910 to Holyhead and 1358 return.