First South West (Kernow & Buses of Somerset)

[richw]

Newquay to 'druth

route number 88. 2 hourly. I’ve seen the timetable on traveline so maybe just not online registration.

Treloggan is getting overkill on buses

Looking into the timetables for Treloggan Morrisons, they are,
PCB 59 - 08 mins past every hour, operates via current 58 into NQ
P88 - 11 mins past every two hours
First 87 - 14 mins past every hour
P85 - 29 mins past every hour
F86 - 43 mins past every hour
P25 - 55 mins past every hour

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

route number 88. 2 hourly. I’ve seen the timetable on traveline so maybe just not online registration.

Treloggan is getting overkill on buses

Looking into the timetables for Treloggan Morrisons, they are,
PCB 59 - 08 mins past every hour, operates via current 58 into NQ
P88 - 11 mins past every two hours
First 87 - 14 mins past every hour
P85 - 29 mins past every hour
F86 - 43 mins past every hour
P25 - 55 mins past every hour

Thanks for that - I missed that one. Mind you, every two hours - not exactly earth shattering

 

[MB162435]

there’s also the enhanced 213. I haven’t looked through other college services to see if any others like this

Most of Kernow's new services seem so far to evolve around Truro College, obviously the most safe place to serve as you know plenty of people will be waiting for the bus.

Must be plenty of new service registrations to come to give all drivers something to do, they seem to be cutting more than adding so far even to their existing commercial services.

The 06:23 U2 service from Penryn Campus to Redruth is withdrawn for example, which is surprising that once the CC services go and the academic term is over Falmouth will be left only with the U1/U2/U4 and the P&R.

 

[DaveHarries]

Quite a few registrations yesterday (25th February) from First Kernow appeared in the VOSA Bus Service Registrations. In summary:

Introduced:
A4 Porth Four Turns - St. Ives, via. Newquay, Perranporth, St. Agnes, Portreath & Hayle Towans
L1 Helston - Truro College (presumed new)

Timetable Variations:
24 Fowey - Mevagissey
27 Bodmin - St. Austell
87 Newquay - Truro
A1 Penzance - Lands End (going hourly: probably seasonal and doesn't compete too much with PCB's Service 5 journeys)
A3 Lands End - St. Ives
A5 (56) Newquay - Padstow
T1, T2 Penzance / St. Ives - Truro
U1 (U3) Falmouth - Truro / Newquay
U2 Redruth - Falmouth
U4 Falmouth - Penzance

Route and Timetable Variations:
27 Truro - St. Austell (no new TT from FK on TSW as yet)
35, 35A Helston - Falmouth
47 Troon - Truro
85 (86) Newquay - Truro
93 (95, 92, 91) Truro - Newquay
101 St. Austell - Eden Project / Luxulyan
L1 Redruth - The Lizard
M6 Penzance - Mousehole (no TT on Traveline SW at time of writing)

I guess we won't really know for certain until FK and GCB update their websites although I have heard that the GCB operations will get their own website.

HTIOI,
Dave

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Most of Kernow's new services seem so far to evolve around Truro College, obviously the most safe place to serve as you know plenty of people will be waiting for the bus.

Must be plenty of new service registrations to come to give all drivers something to do, they seem to be cutting more than adding so far even to their existing commercial services.

The 06:23 U2 service from Penryn Campus to Redruth is withdrawn for example, which is surprising that once the CC services go and the academic term is over Falmouth will be left only with the U1/U2/U4 and the P&R.

TBF, the lion's share of Falmouth's work is the U services and the P&R. The other services 35/35A/68/69 probably involve about 3 vehicles. They could possibly operate some part of the 68 off peak but would the rest be anywhere near paying its way?

 

[MB162435]

TBF, the lion's share of Falmouth's work is the U services and the P&R. The other services 35/35A/68/69 probably involve about 3 vehicles. They could possibly operate some part of the 68 off peak but would the rest be anywhere near paying its way?

Don't think they are particularly bothered about the loss of the Falmouth locals, I know a couple of Falmouth drivers and both said they are rarely put on the locals, mainly on the Uni routes or the 231.

The only bad thing is that they have got to know the older people around Falmouth who like talking to them and they know their stops. Although I'm sure OTS has lovely drivers!

 

[richw]

TBF, the lion's share of Falmouth's work is the U services and the P&R. The other services 35/35A/68/69 probably involve about 3 vehicles. They could possibly operate some part of the 68 off peak but would the rest be anywhere near paying its way?

the 35 is staying with First it appears.

 

[Busaholic]

The contract is for eight years. Is there a break clause after two years then?

You forgot to mention Coronavirus in that blame list.

I'm about to start a new thread on Corona Coaches of Acton, which I'm planning on putting in the General Discussion section for what might become obvious reasons!

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

the 35 is staying with First it appears.

How that....? It's on the list of fully supported tendered services - taken on commercially???

 

[richw]

How that....? It's on the list of fully supported tendered services - taken on commercially???

It’s on the briefing sheet as a route they’ve registered commercially.

 

[MB162435]

How that....? It's on the list of fully supported tendered services - taken on commercially???

Confused me too, must be money in the 35 somehow, never been busy when I've seen it, even when it is the majority of passengers are bus pass holders

 

[busKernow]

It's three buses at worst in the evening and one of those is doing one round trip from Camborne to Penzance.

I have nothing against FK (or pro PCB) but I'm struggling to see why people are thinking that PCB won't have scheduled this properly, or have the right vehicles in the right place.

Confused me too, must be money in the 35 somehow, never been busy when I've seen it, even when it is the majority of passengers are bus pass holders

The section of 35 which is Currently hourly Between Falmouth & Helford passage via Mawnan Smith Trebah and Glendurgan Gardens carry's a fair few in Summer time , all locals mostly Pass Holders in winter though , the Falmouth Helston section almost all Pass Holders all year.

 

[MB162435]

The section of 35 which is Currently hourly Between Falmouth & Helford passage via Mawnan Smith Trebah and Glendurgan Gardens carry's a fair few in Summer time , all locals mostly Pass Holders in winter though , the Falmouth Helston section almost all Pass Holders all year.

Gweek can attract a good few tourists and families in the summer as well with the Seal Sanctuary, but other than that most people get to Helston via the Campus

 

[MB162435]

Kernow haw gained approval for 7 more open top conversions as part of their '2020 vision' Marc posted on twitter a matter of seconds ago

So in theory the sight of any closed toppers on the A1-A3 this year should be pretty rare, or maybe this will be the first year none appear at all

 

[Busaholic]

Kernow haw gained approval for 7 more open top conversions as part of their '2020 vision' Marc posted on twitter a matter of seconds ago

So in theory the sight of any closed toppers on the A1-A3 this year should be pretty rare, or maybe this will be the first year none appear at all

Let's hope the weather changes pretty soon then, otherwise all but the unhinged will be restricted to the lower deck with water pouring down the stairs!

 

[Goldfish62]

Let's hope the weather changes pretty soon then, otherwise all but the unhinged will be restricted to the lower deck with water pouring down the stairs!

To be fair, being in the enclosed part of the top deck isn't really much different yo being in a fully closed top bus.

 

[MB162435]

To be fair, being in the enclosed part of the top deck isn't really much different yo being in a fully closed top bus.

Just have to be lucky that some seats are remaining in the closed section or down stairs, or you may need a good coat if it's a bit yucky

 

[Whiteway215]

Kernow haw gained approval for 7 more open top conversions as part of their '2020 vision' Marc posted on twitter a matter of seconds ago

So in theory the sight of any closed toppers on the A1-A3 this year should be pretty rare, or maybe this will be the first year none appear at all

More B7TLs of some description presumably for conversion to OT?

 

[MB162435]

More B7TLs of some description presumably for conversion to OT?

That or Gemini's possibly?

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

That or Gemini's possibly?

The Geminis due are B7TLs

 

[richw]

Just spotted in the timetables on the A1, GA run the first Penzance to lands end, with no return working. FK run the return trip to PZ.

 

[TechDan2002]

More B7TLs of some description presumably for conversion to OT?

No. ADL E400s

“They’ll be E400s converted and purchased through our friends at Ensign”

 

[Busaholic]

Just spotted in the timetables on the A1, GA run the first Penzance to lands end, with no return working. FK run the return trip to PZ.

Wonder how 'necessary' that GA working is, as in 'actual passengers regularly carried'.

 

[Lizard1324]

No. ADL E400s

“They’ll be E400s converted and purchased through our friends at Ensign”

What the pre 2016 enviro 400 or the newer mmc

 

[TechDan2002]

What the pre 2016 enviro 400 or the newer mmc

Not explicitly stated, however most likely pre 2016 E400

 

[Lizard1324]

Not explicitly stated, however most likely pre 2016 E400

You got a link to his tweet?

 

[TechDan2002]

You got a link to his tweet?

https://twitter.com/marcmorganhuws/status/1233119920403222528?s=21
https://twitter.com/marcmorganhuws/status/1233158070685052943?s=21

 

[Goldfish62]

Not explicitly stated, however most likely pre 2016 E400

Presumably ex London. Ensign has built up a fair business doing these conversions.

 

[Goldfish62]

For anyone who wasn't aware, FK's timetables from 29 March are on Traveline SW.

Their presence during evenings and Sundays is going to be somewhat greater than may have been expected, with duplication of many of PCB's journeys.

PCB won't need to worry about their non-existent small buses for the M6 as FK are covering the entire service including introducing the summer enhancements early.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

For anyone who wasn't aware, FK's timetables from 29 March are on Traveline SW.

Their presence during evenings and Sundays is going to be somewhat greater than may have been expected, with duplication of many of PCB's journeys.

PCB won't need to worry about their non-existent small buses for the M6 as FK are covering the entire service including introducing the summer enhancements early.

Well, this could be interesting depending on CC having to remove support that run parallel to the FK commercial runs, and PCB's financial model. The A5 is a case in point - with FK running commercially, what happens to the few earlier runs that FK don't cover? They could be supported by CC but how will PCB be able to do so without the backing of the tender in its current form, what gives?