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I made this thread after finding that the 20-year-old Class 458 units are going to leave the SWR franchise in favour of Class 701's. Are there any other example's of trains off-lease or about to become off-lease that still have life left in them?
 
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Aren't they going to Northern and the former is being used particularly by Grand Central from next year
Northern are getting all but 9 of the WMT 323s. And Mk4s yes, a few 4/5 carriage rakes are going to Tfw and GC but most don't have a home and will likely be scrapped. Maybe ViaRail in Canada will be interested again? :D
 

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Northern are getting all but 9 of the WMT 323s. And Mk4s yes, a few 4/5 carriage rakes are going to Tfw and GC but most don't have a home and will likely be scrapped. Maybe ViaRail in Canada will be interested again? :D
I can’t see ViaRail being interested in 30 year old coaches. The nightstar stock they took was new which made sense.
 

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Maybe ViaRail in Canada will be interested again? :D
They are not interested because they have placed an order with Siemens for 32 new trains formed of five coaches and a Charger locomotive.
 

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379’s from Greater Anglia
222’s from EMR
221’s from Avanti West Coast
Class 379 Greater Anglia are real irony as they only entered service 9 years ago!! Apparently these are expensive to lease but I'm sure with an uncertain future ahead a more favourable lease could be arranged?
 

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Class 379 Greater Anglia are real irony as they only entered service 9 years ago!! Apparently these are expensive to lease but I'm sure with an uncertain future ahead a more favourable lease could be arranged?
When the 379s were originally ordered, the intention was for them to run 12 car trains on Stansted Express. In the event, the plan changed and they ran as eight cars with the other nine units working three 12 car rush hour trains on the Cambridge line. I'm a little surprised the 379s weren't kept for the Stansted route and formed as 12 cars.
 

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I made this thread after finding that the 20-year-old Class 458 units are going to leave the SWR franchise in favour of Class 701's. Are there any other example's of trains off-lease or about to become off-lease that still have life left in them?
350/2s aswell although apparently those are rumoured to potentially be getting a useless battery conversion for some reason.
 

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Arguably the GA class 321 Renatus could have a life as another northern cast off, but the reality is many non life expired EMUs will not have a home
 

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Arguably the GA class 321 Renatus could have a life as another northern cast off, but the reality is many non life expired EMUs will not have a home
they shouldn’t have bothered with the refurbs. and yeah 317/321/322 will all be seeing the gas axe at booths/newport. tbh it would be way more practical to battery convert the 350/2s/379s etc... instead of 319s which are well life expired
 

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379’s from Greater Anglia would either be battery converted or cascaded to GTR Great Northern to release 387's to Southern, allowing their 313's to retire.
222’s from EMR i'm unsure. Maybe SWR.
221’s from Avanti West Coast would go to XC to eliminate overcrowding and fleet strengthening. Hence easier diagramming and no driver training.
 

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Arguably the GA class 321 Renatus could have a life as another northern cast off, but the reality is many non life expired EMUs will not have a home
The plan is to convert them to hydrogen, looking at the shortage of DMUs they would probably have a good future ahead, the renatus ones look actually quite nice inside.
 

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379’s from Greater Anglia would either be battery converted or cascaded to GTR Great Northern to release 387's to Southern, allowing their 313's to retire.
222’s from EMR i'm unsure. Maybe SWR.
221’s from Avanti West Coast would go to XC to eliminate overcrowding and fleet strengthening. Hence easier diagramming and no driver training.

Both 221's and 222's could go to XC in fact i would say the 222's could be reformed into 5-car and 4-car formations and the connectors to be changed so they can work with the 221s and 220's. This would give XC a significant capacity increase.
 

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The plan is to convert them to hydrogen, looking at the shortage of DMUs they would probably have a good future ahead, the renatus ones look actually quite nice inside.
once the older 15x get displaced from TfW they’d be a lot cheaper and a better use on other diesel routes instead of spending ages spending money on and converting 321s
 

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Both 221's and 222's could go to XC in fact i would say the 222's could be reformed into 5-car and 4-car formations and the connectors to be changed so they can work with the 221s and 220's. This would give XC a significant capacity increase.
use the 4 & 5 car 222s to replace the 170s and the 7 car ones to replace the HSTs
 

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Someone in one of the GA threads said the 379s would be staying on for 18 months which is believable as the 720s only just got authorised. The 379s will probably get leased (at a guess, upgraded to 387s and used at Southern as reportedly they want an all electrostar fleet)
once the older 15x get displaced from TfW they’d be a lot cheaper and a better use on other diesel routes instead of spending ages spending money on and converting 321s
The only 15Xs I would take from TfW would be the 158s and their door arrangement is not suitable for a lot of routes with the end doors increasing time spent at stations which is important on a lot of the stopping routes which 150s (which are getting old) operate.
According to wikipedia its 12 171's going to EMR
I don't believe that is accurate, some of the 171s I believe are going but a lot will not leave Southern, mainly because they haven't got anything to replace them. It has been said in another thread that Southern do not want battery EMUs to replace the 171s which makes sense considering the range of batteries and apparently the ones in the 379 trial were pretty worn out after a few years and would have to be replaced.
they shouldn’t have bothered with the refurbs. and yeah 317/321/322 will all be seeing the gas axe at booths/newport. tbh it would be way more practical to battery convert the 350/2s/379s etc... instead of 319s which are well life expired
317s will almost definatly be scrapped, the 321s (atleast the renatus) will probably get stored for a while until someone goes for the hydrogen units proposed by Eversholt. Ordering brand new DMUs isn't too popular as the DfT plan for all stock to be bimode/electric by 2040 so I wouldn't be suprised to see the hydrogen renatus units be leased by a TOC.
 
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use the 4 & 5 car 222s to replace the 170s and the 7 car ones to replace the HSTs

The 222s aren't a suitable replacement for 170s (or 158/9s at SWR either) - but using them to operate certain current voyager diagrams (in double) allowing them to double up other services is a sensible use for them.

I don't believe that is accurate, some of the 171s I believe are going but a lot will not leave Southern, mainly because they haven't got anything to replace them. It has been said in another thread that Southern do not want battery EMUs to replace the 171s which makes sense considering the range of batteries and apparently the ones in the 379 trial were pretty worn out after a few years and would have to be replaced.

Wiki actually has 14 down as moving to EMR, (which by my maths gives EMR 8x 3 car and 4x 2 car units), leaving 4 of each subclass (/7 and /8) - like you say that's obviously dependant on a suitable replacement being introduced, but if one is, it certainly doesn't make sense to leave that 'runt' fleet of units still at Southern
 

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It'd be interesting to see whether the class 222s could replace the class 159s with SWR on the Exeters. And the rest reformed for XC along with the AWC 221s
 
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