New 4-tier system for England

[Mag_seven]

It's the dangling and leaking/speculation of little bits of information beforehand that does it for me...

Yes especially to Tory papers such as "The Telegraph* which are behind a paywall!

 

[Sprinter153]

It's the dangling and leaking/speculation of little bits of information beforehand that does it for me...

Yes, like Hancock using his appearance on Good Morning Britain today to say there will be no Tier 5 or national lockdown. Either announce it all, or announce none of it.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Some of these areas have been in some form of higher restriction for pretty much the entire time. So if we were to be moved into T4 that will just confirm that even with lower rates, we must still be penalised because of somewhere else. With the exception of Liverpool, the government have made no attempt to ease things in the North of England even though many areas have seen significant drops. Put simply if this happens, forget compliance if we just chucked into higher tiers regardless.

Whats morally wrong is govt set out the criteria for moving up or down a tier then disregarded it without an explanation. The few MPs that were outspoken have largely given up or gone back down there holes. This is really disgraceful as they there cushy job in the bag for next four years and care little of there constituents wellbeing or mental health.

Fingers crossed that most of the North is left alone, although the BBC seem to think parts of the North West will be getting sent to T4.


Edit: There will be another episode of "Yes Prime Minister BoJo"* at 5pm today. No word yet on who will be flanking him, but I'm sure we can all make educated guesses.

(*AKA a Prime Minister press conference)

Carlisle and Eden are the outlier tier 2 areas in the NW but then you have Barrow which is close to Tier 1 case levels and the surrounding districts are good for tier 2. Don't know status of hospitals to know if that gives them the justification for tier 3.

Liverpool should be tier 3 now and is well above Manchester and many of its district but then these should be tier 2 now but Burnham wont want that.

 

[bramling]

It's the dangling and leaking/speculation of little bits of information beforehand that does it for me...

Same. It's highly unprofessional.

Having said that, a lot of big companies work the same way. When the rumours get loud enough and frequent enough you know there's something in it.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

The leaks have started coming through now: https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1344293937931018241

Understand significant parts of England about to be put into Tier 4

Some being moved from Tier 2 to 3

Almost all of England to be in 3 or 4 from tomorrow

 

[Bantamzen]

Lancashire is set to go into T4 its being reported.

 

[Class 33]

Areas that will be covered by the Tier 4 rules from tomorrow are:

• Leicester City
• Leicestershire
• Lincolnshire
• Northamptonshire
• Derby and Derbyshire
• Nottingham and Nottinghamshire
• Birmingham and Black Country
• Coventry
• Solihull
• Warwickshire
• Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent
• Lancashire
• Cheshire and Warrington
• Cumbria
• Greater Manchester
• Tees Valley
• North East
• Gloucestershire
• Somerset council
• Swindon
• Bournemouth
• Isle of Wight
• New Forest

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

All of the North East of England, Cumbria, Cheshire, Warrington, Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Blackpool and Blackburn have all been placed into Tier 4.

Meanwhile, Liverpool, Rutland, all Yorkshire and Humber, Worcestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire, Telford and Wrekin have all been added to the Tier 3 list.

Total disregard of the criteria that they said would be used to move up or down a tier

 

[6862]

So basically the entire country will be in lockdown. Convenient that they can do this without any parliamentary scrutiny isn't it? We are walking headlong into a totalitarian dictatorship, and the majority just don't care or actually support it.

 

[brick60000]

Areas that will be covered by the Tier 4 rules from tomorrow are:

• Leicester City
• Leicestershire
• Lincolnshire
• Northamptonshire
• Derby and Derbyshire
• Nottingham and Nottinghamshire
• Birmingham and Black Country
• Coventry
• Solihull
• Warwickshire
• Staffordshire and Stoke-on-Trent
• Lancashire
• Cheshire and Warrington
• Cumbria
• Greater Manchester
• Tees Valley
• North East
• Gloucestershire
• Somerset council
• Swindon
• Bournemouth
• Isle of Wight
• New Forest

Bye bye economy.....

 

[NorthOxonian]

Much worse than I was expecting. Looking at the lists I'd estimate only 10% or so of the population are still in Tier 3. Liverpool, a few rural counties in the Midlands, and parts of the South West.

 

[PTR 444]

Areas that will be covered by the Tier 4 rules from tomorrow are:

• Bournemouth
• Isle of Wight
• New Forest

But Dorset and Wiltshire still in tier 2??

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

But Dorset and Wiltshire still in tier 2??

Both to go into tier 3 from what I understand

 

[Kite159]

Rest of the country to follow next week?

 

[PTR 444]

Both to go into tier 3 from what I understand

Just looked it up. Looks like it’s happening

BCP moved into Tier 4 of Covid restrictions - with the rest of Dorset in Tier 3

Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole will enter Tier 4 of the coronavirus restrictions - with the rest of Dorset moving into Tier 3.

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk

Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole will enter Tier 4 of the coronavirus restrictions - with the rest of Dorset moving into Tier 3.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock gave an update to the House of Commons following a review of the Tier system as cases rise across the country.

The changes will come into effect from Thursday, December 31.

 

[johntea]

Tier 2 for North Yorkshire was never going to last when much of it borders West Yorkshire, to the extent you could jump on a train in (Tier 3) Leeds and be in York / Selby / Harrogate etc within half an hour!

Sadly though North Yorkshire covers a HUGE area so quite a big effect

And again pretty immediate 'FROM MIDNIGHT!' notice...I suspect in part to put end to the hope of some NYE celebrations

 

[Bantamzen]

Bye bye economy.....

Good grief that's grim, I'm now fully expecting the rest of us to be thrown into T4 jail within days.

 

[tommy2215]

Today's announcement makes it pretty clear that the Government want a national lockdown by stealth.

 

[birchesgreen]

I'm glad the government have rewarded my local area for having a falling rate of infections by putting us into Tier 4.

 

[Bantamzen]

Today's announcement makes it pretty clear that the Government want a national lockdown by stealth.

I'd hardly call it stealthy.

I'm glad the government have rewarded my local area for having a falling rate of infections by putting us into Tier 4.

There are no rewards here, only more punishments.

 

[david1212]

Many more areas moving to Tier 4 was inevitable.

What I do think is totally wrong is 9 hours notice and effectively 2 - 3 hours notice for non-essential shops, hairdressers etc.

While a sector of both those in some official role and individuals will say otherwise in reality I wonder what gain there will be over instead having set this to commence 4th January. For retail where if distancing etc is observed the risk of transmission is low there would have been a couple more days for people to spend their Christmas money over-the-counter. Now with no end in sight they will go online.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

No tory

Today's announcement makes it pretty clear that the Government want a national lockdown by stealth.

No Tory dissenters so far in questions to Hancock and even Mark Harper now seems to accept they stuck in higher tiers until vaccine is rolled out but Hancock wouldn't say how long that would be. One positive is they are going for max gap on Oxford vaccine to 12 weeks to second dose so they can greater numbers done.

 

[Trackman]

I'm glad the government have rewarded my local area for having a falling rate of infections by putting us into Tier 4.

Same here where I am now up north.
It's a 150 area and falling and the national average is 367 per 100,000

And again pretty immediate 'FROM MIDNIGHT!' notice...I suspect in part to put end to the hope of some NYE celebrations

I actually didn't see that coming.

Anyway.. I wonder if they be any mass-exoduses this evening before we are locked up in t4?

 

[birchesgreen]

Same here where I am now up north.
It's a 150 area and falling and the national average is 367 per 100,000

I actually didn't see that coming.

Anyway.. I wonder if they be any mass-exoduses this evening before we are locked up in t4?

Not many places we can flee to now...

 

[Bertie the bus]

I'm glad the government have rewarded my local area for having a falling rate of infections by putting us into Tier 4.

How many people in your area queued in the cold and wet to have an asymptomatic test? The only area given special treatment is Liverpool because they were given the opportunity to take part in a government PR stunt, and many obliged.

 

[initiation]

I had to laugh (or is it cry) at this article about Bath and how moving up to tier 3 is supposedly a good thing for the population.

How moving into Tier 3 could actually benefit Bath

The latest announcements are due later today (December 30)

www.somersetlive.co.uk

 

[Jamesrob637]

At least make it with effect from Saturday at one minute past midnight.

Friday is a bank Holiday anyway so fewer businesses will be functioning, and many businesses finish early on New Year's Eve anyway.

 

[SS4]

How many people in your area queued in the cold and wet to have an asymptomatic test? The only area given special treatment is Liverpool because they were given the opportunity to take part in a government PR stunt, and many obliged.

Submit an FoI and find out?

Birmingham has had lateral flow testing for a few weeks - mostly at the NIA but also in Sheldon and somewhere else I've forgotten. I don't know how many people took advantage but it's been available

What is an LFD (Lateral Flow Device) Test? | Lateral Flow Device (LFD) Information | Birmingham City Council

Covid-19 lateral flow device (LFD) testing information.

www.birmingham.gov.uk

 

[Bertie the bus]

Submit an FoI and find out?

No because I simply don't care. I was making a point which obviously went above your head.

 

[brick60000]

At least make it with effect from Saturday at one minute past midnight.

Friday is a bank Holiday anyway so fewer businesses will be functioning, and many businesses finish early on New Year's Eve anyway.

They've made quite clear they don't give a flying flamingo about the impact of these last minute decisions on businesses up until now, so can't see that changing...

I was really not expecting, so therefore was expecting, this last minute change of tier restrictions. I've had it now with these restrictions, until they provide a very clear map out of this mess with dates and clear targets, I really don't have any respect left for this shambles of an administration.