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Bradford Council proposal for a new NPR station

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I just missed an item on BBC Look North (Leeds) that I think was about Bradford NPR station, so I did a web news search. Apparently an announcement is to be made today (this is not government approval!)


A “BOLD” vision is expected to be set out today as the case is ramped up for a Northern Powerhouse Rail (NPR) station in Bradford city centre.

In a speech today, Councillor Susan Hinchcliffe, leader of Bradford Council, is expected to lay out the ambitious plan, backed by the Telegraph & Argus in our new On the Right Track campaign, for a new high-speed rail station and how it could unlock the city’s potential.

It comes as civic and business leaders from across Yorkshire and the North are urging the Government not to break its promise to voters by scaling back NPR in Bradford.

While the Government has made repeated commitments to deliver the project in full, in February this year it told Transport for the North to hold off on submitting its plans for NPR.
This has prompted fears Bradford will miss out altogether in the upcoming Integrated Rail Plan, which is due to be published later this year.
Cllr Hinchcliffe said: “Bradford is one of the fastest-growing, youngest and most diverse cities in the country. It is brimming with talent and potential. The Prime Minister has committed to Northern Powerhouse Rail, and this early stage of the line from Leeds to here could see real progress made by making us the equivalent of only a short tube ride apart, a critical step to the full network to Manchester and on to Liverpool.

"Our vision for Bradford is bold. A new rail station built in a decade with an extended city centre that will help us become better-connected through that gateway and more prosperous.
“This would create a Bradford economy a third larger than it is today with an increase in size of economy by a third, equating to £2.9 billion a year annually in GVA and 27,000 more jobs by 2060.”
An NPR station in central Bradford would create an integrated urban area larger than Birmingham, with a labour market of more than 1.3 million people and more than 600,000 jobs.
A new line would cut the travel time between Bradford and Manchester from over an hour to just 20 minutes, while the journey to Leeds would be slashed to seven minutes.

And journeys to Manchester Airport would be just 30 minutes, down from one hour 40 minutes.
Lord Jim O’Neill, vice-chair of the Northern Powerhouse Partnership, said NPR is “vital” to building a thriving Northern Powerhouse.
He said: “It is now critical we get spades in the ground on the new line, building a new station for Bradford and building the tracks to Leeds to get faster, more reliable, more frequent services. Building stronger links between Bradford and Leeds will unlock agglomeration benefits for both cities, with a population and labour market larger than Birmingham.
"Once we have built forged stronger connections between city regions across the Pennines, the North can act as a genuine counterweight to London and the South East.”

Calls for a city centre station have been backed by the Bradford Business Improvement District.
Chairman Ian Ward said it would have a “transformative” impact on the city.
He said: “In short, it’s a game changer for Bradford and a vitally important development that we cannot allow to slip through our fingers.
"If the Government truly believes in ‘levelling up,’ there is no better place to start than Bradford and guaranteeing that NPR will run through our city centre will show that it means it and create a real win-win for that ambition.”
Mike Cartwright, of the West and North Yorkshire Chamber of Commerce, said a city centre station would deliver a “step-change” in the city’s economic growth.
"A Department for Transport spokesperson said the Government is committed to “bringing the benefits of high speed rail to Yorkshire and beyond”.
They added: “Our Integrated Rail Plan will outline how projects, including HS2 and Northern Powerhouse Rail, can work together to deliver the reliable train services that passengers need and deserve, as quickly as possible.”

I think the BBC item had the actual station location but I missed it and it's not on their website yet.
 
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But I don't see it happening because I think the scheme will be descoped to save money and will bypass Bradford
 

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So... pretty much across the road from the former Adolphus Street station then.

Pity they couldn't do that now anyway and cut out broad the south-west to north curve between Laisterdyke and Interchange... it would be a lot of demolition though.
 

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Im presuming the route will be something like this!

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Looks reasonable. A little further out of the city centre than today's Interchange clearly. I wouldn't want to move all the local buses that use Interchange out there as well. Perhaps a covered pedestrian link between today's Interchange station (where some local rail services could still terminate) and the new platform group across that major road intersection. Might be equipped with moving walkway tech or paralleled by a fast and frequent APM for accessibility.
 

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Well the latest plan is said to be a compromise, a little further out of the city centre than ideal, but will save a huge amount of money and so give a better chance of government approval. The council own the land in question. They also have an aspiration to expand the giant wholesale market which currently occupies the site, so a relocation to a larger site apparently fits that ambition. The new station site also fits in with the wider regeneration plans for the area plus the site is well linked to the major roads in the city centre as well as being well linked to the M606 and M62.
 

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I have the same fear, and clearly so do the local and TfN leaders.

Edit: It's now on iplayer, from 03:15 for 30 seconds, https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000tkg1/look-north-yorkshire-lunchtime-news-22032021

St James's wholesale fruit and veg market

Perhaps there'll be more on the teatime edition.

See from 05:53 of the (teatime) evening edition.
 

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That's 2 months slippage on top of the 2 month slippage from January to March. Does it depend on lockdown roadmap going to plan?
 

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At least it still said May in the late evening edition. I was wondering if it would have slipped some more.
 

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That would be my question too? The times quoted to Leeds & Manchester, I don't think, could be achieved using the present infrastructure.

I think most of the proposed route is present infrastructure, although going via Bradford apparently is 4 billion more than via Huddersfield!

Im expecting a Halifax cut off between Hipperholme/Lightcliffe in a massive tunnel before venturing back out into the open air between Greetland and Exley on the opposite side.
 

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Hands in the air, I know nothing of Bradford. If that's the proposal they're going for, surely it would be cheaper to reinstate the avoiding line and plonk a station on that, or failing that, sticking in a S to NW chord between the line to Leeds and the line to Halifax and building a station on the line to Leeds a little south of the proposed one?
 

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Hands in the air, I know nothing of Bradford. If that's the proposal they're going for, surely it would be cheaper to reinstate the avoiding line and plonk a station on that, or failing that, sticking in a S to NW chord between the line to Leeds and the line to Halifax and building a station on the line to Leeds a little south of the proposed one?
It looks like that effectively is a reinstation of the avoiding line, albeit on a new alignment with a curve that allows reasonably high-speed running
 

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The avoiding line that started at Laisterdike and joined up with the Bradford - Halifax line just before Bowling tunnel was far too far away from the city centre. The current St James site is doable because most of the major city centre destinations can be reached by a maximum 15 minute walk so long as pedestrians can cross freely over/under major roads in the area.
 

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The WY Rail Vision states it will also serve Calder Valley trains and will be a through station. How will existing trains to Halifax and beyond be able to serve the new station alongside NPR?
 

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It looks like that effectively is a reinstation of the avoiding line, albeit on a new alignment with a curve that allows reasonably high-speed running
I think the curves on the previous avoiding line are equal to or even less sharp than those proposed. Surely all trains will be stopping at Bradford so the speed limits on the curves are not too important. A station built on the avoiding line would only be a few hundred metres further away from the city centre than the proposed station. It would slow by astride the A650 a major dual carriageway into and out of the city.

The other questions are how does this line get from Bradford to Leeds and Halifax ?
 

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The avoiding line that started at Laisterdike and joined up with the Bradford - Halifax line just before Bowling tunnel was far too far away from the city centre. The current St James site is doable because most of the major city centre destinations can be reached by a maximum 15 minute walk so long as pedestrians can cross freely over/under major roads in the area.
Agree with that analysis. I'm sure the city hopes the new station will become the nexus of new business-oriented development, but walkability from the traditional city centre and its attractions is also very important. It is vital that new walkways created are as short, safe, attractive and 'obvious' as possible, with minimised at grade crossings of busy roads. Some shelter from the elements and mechanical assistance in the form of moving walkway or pod shuttle tech might also be considered all or part of the way, perhaps as a parallel alternative to walking for those who need it.
 

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Bradford Council types saying that they'll stretch the city centre to encompass the new planned station. Good luck with that, the city is already a teaming mass of empty shops. This looks like there was a carefully crafted plan, fully costed for a tunnelled solution and when that looked a non-starter (it always was) the council got out their crayon and came up with a less rigorously costed and planned solution which may or may not represent a good plan.
 

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Nobody answered my question about how Calder Valley trains can stop at the new station which is specifically mentioned in the WY Rail Vision
 

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Nobody answered my question about how Calder Valley trains can stop at the new station which is specifically mentioned in the WY Rail Vision
It looks as if the new line will share or at least run very close to the tunnel south of Interchange, so trains via Halifax might be able to transfer onto it there for the run to Leeds.
 

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I think it's TfN, Bradford City Council and any other relevant northern bodies getting together to fight off the threat of the government's likely wish to make the Leeds-Manchester section of NPR into no more than the Trans-Pennine upgrade via Huddersfield.

I agree with other recent posters that in order to protect the aim of a route via Bradford (and possibly a very long new tunnel from Littleborough) they're tacitly accepting the dropping of previous ideas like lots of tunnelling in and around Bradford.
NPR wouldn't be just TRU if it avoids Bradford. It would be utilising TRU and would still require new infrastructure - question would be if it's more cost effective and what benefits it would deliver.
 

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These Combined Authorities confuse me. I can't see WYCA without thinking YWCA, or see WMCA without thinking YMCA.
It's fun to be in the WYCA. Not. That's why lots of us left...

Wait until it becomes a Mayoral Combined Authority (like Sheffield) and you're sat there trying to work what the difference (apart from a logo) is! That's part of my confusion with NPR via Bradford; I can't work out of it's being driven by TfN, WY(M)CA or City of Bradford MDC. How much of it is 'plan' and how much 'pipe dream'?
 

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If they decided to merge local services operated by 90/100mph units with services operated by 140/180mph units how similar would their acceleration profiles be to a flying junction and where would the flying junction need to be before the slower trains hold up a faster train? What I’m thinking is that approaching a major city station, both train types aren’t going to be performing much differently, particularly if there is a 90 degree curve to navigate.
 

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If they decided to merge local services operated by 90/100mph units with services operated by 140/180mph units how similar would their acceleration profiles be to a flying junction and where would the flying junction need to be before the slower trains hold up a faster train? What I’m thinking is that approaching a major city station, both train types aren’t going to be performing much differently, particularly if there is a 90 degree curve to navigate.
I get the feeling they would interwork reasonably well if they just shared track within approximately the Bradford built-up area. Say 4TPH of each service alternating.
 
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