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Which classes may be nearing their end?

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Having recently read the “

Twilight/final non-PRM Class 321 workings​

“ with interest it got me wondering which other classes are reaching the end of their lives and when?

Is there a timetable setting out what we are going to lose from Mainline service over the next 12/18 months?

I appreciate that there are separate threads for most/each individual classes. Therefore I was hoping to create a summary thread detailing the Class and it’s likely end date for ease of reference.
 
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The majority of the PEP Fleet, leaving just Southern’s small fleet of Brighton based 313s. With the eventual replacement of the 319s in the North West by 323s, their days as conventional units are also on borrowed time.
 

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The majority of the PEP Fleet, leaving just Southern’s fleet of 313s. With the eventual replacement of the 319s in the North West, their days as conventional units are also on borrowed time.

so what classes does that comprise and their likely end date?
 

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315s with London Overground / TFL Rail - should be finishing very soon with I believe a handful of units left in traffic now. I can’t remember their likely end dates but I believe they’ll be gone before the new year.
507 and 508 fleets with MerseyRail - should be seen off by the new 777s within the next 12 to 18 months.
319s with Northern - unless Porterbrook can find anyone else to take them on, they’ll like end up at either Booths, Raxstars or Sims.
 

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315s with London Overground / TFL Rail - should be finishing very soon with I believe a handful of units left in traffic now. I can’t remember their likely end dates but I believe they’ll be gone before the new year.
507 and 508 fleets with MerseyRail - should be seen off by the new 777s within the next 12 to 18 months.
319s with Northern - unless Porterbrook can find anyone else to take them on, they’ll like end up at either Booths, Raxstars or Sims.
315s finished with Overground over a year ago.
 

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SWR’s 455s and 456s will be gone for good when the 701 issues get sorted and they finally enter service
 

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SWR’s 455s and 456s will be gone for good when the 701 issues get sorted and they finally enter service
Some 455s are supposedly off to Southern, aren't they? Or is that not a thing any more?
 

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Some 455s are supposedly off to Southern, aren't they? Or is that not a thing any more?
There has not been any announcement to that effect. Different leasing companies are involved so it seems a bit unlikely.
 

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3 weeks time finish on Saturday the 11th December 2021.
East Midlands railways class 153 non prm units still 6 in service.
Only 3 weeks for these to go.
Barton on humber to cleethorpes.
 

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Quite a lot of classes have been completely retired from service in the last few years -

- 142 (fully retired 2020)
- 143 (fully retired 2021)
- 144 (fully retired 2020)
- 314 (fully retired 2019)
- 332 (fully retired 2020)
- 365 (fully retired 2021)
- 442 (fully retired 2020)
- 483 (fully retired 2021)

These classes are unlikely to last more than a few years -

- 153 (mid 2020s)
- 313 (mid 2020s)
- 315 (2022)
- 317 (c. 2023-25)
- 319 (c. 2022 - some converted to parcels units)
- 321 (c. 2022)
- 322 (c. 2022)
- 455 (2022 onwards)
- 456 (2022)
- 507 (2022)
- 508 (2022)
- 994 (Tyne & Wear Metro) - (c.2023)

And a few more classes which will probably be gone before the end of the decade -

- 43/HST
- 91/IC225
- 150
- 155
- 180
- 465
- 466
- 769 (can't see them lasting more than 10 years personally)
 
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3 weeks time finish on Saturday the 11th December 2021.
East Midlands railways class 153 non prm units still 6 in service.
Only 3 weeks for these to go.
Barton on humber to cleethorpes.

Are they only working Barton to Cleethorpes or other services too?

I know they are based at Eastcroft but I very rarely see them in Nottingham (the station closest to where I work)

Quite a lot of classes have been completely retired from service in the last few years -

- 142
- 143
- 144
- 314
- 332
- 365
- 442
- 483

These classes are unlikely to last more than a few years -

- 153
- 315
- 317
- 319
- 321
- 322
- 455
- 456
- 507
- 508
This is great, thank you.

I now need to start putting dates alongside them.
 

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Quite a lot of classes have been completely retired from service in the last few years -

- 142 (fully retired 2020)
- 143 (fully retired 2021)
- 144 (fully retired 2020)
- 314 (fully retired 2019)
- 332 (fully retired 2020)
- 365 (fully retired 2021)
- 442 (fully retired 2020)
- 483 (fully retired 2021)

These classes are unlikely to last more than a few years -

- 153 (mid 2020s)
- 313 (mid 2020s)
- 315 (2022)
- 317 (c. 2023-25)
- 319 (c. 2022)
- 321 (c. 2022)
- 322 (c. 2022)
- 455 (2022)
- 456 (2022)
- 507 (2022)
- 508 (2022)
- 994 (Tyne & Wear Metro) - (c.2023)

And a few more classes which will probably be gone before the end of the decade -

- 43/HST
- 91/IC225
- 150
- 155
- 180
- 465
- 466
- 769
Surely the 769s will be in use for a long time, well into the 2030s? 319s will also be used as parcel carriers by ROG

The Southern 455s have no planned replacement date.
 

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Some 153s have been purchased by Transport for Wales - they, along with the ScotRail ones, look set to continue in service for the foreseeable.
 

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Surely the 769s will be in use for a long time, well into the 2030s? 319s will also be used as parcel carriers by ROG

The Southern 455s have no planned replacement date.
I don't think the 769s will be in use for long, due to the reliability issues, being non-standard, and the fact that they are in fact 30+ year old units.
 

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A relative handful of 465s and 466s are in storage now with the arrival of 707s to Southeastern, and could easily have already seen their final operations. The rest of the fleet will inevitably go at some point, but no full replacement has yet been ordered, so I can see them surviving until at least 2025.

I don't think the 769s will be in use for long, due to the reliability issues, being non-standard, and the fact that they are in fact 30+ year old units.
Looking forward to the fallout sequel to the complete waste of money that was refurbishing 442s, that ended up going to scrap without being used in passenger service, being about the huge time, money and resource piled into making 769s that only see a few years or so.
 

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With regard to 144s, the former Evolution prototype (144012) is now with Network Rail so will presumably be working on the national network at some point.
If the non-passenger 321/769 variants count, that should too. ;)
 

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Its interesting how Scot rail have refurbished the 318 and 320’s to a standard that will see them in service long after the 317’s and 320’s are gone. This proves care and attention pays of in the long term.
 

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Its interesting how Scot rail have refurbished the 318 and 320’s to a standard that will see them in service long after the 317’s and 320’s are gone. This proves care and attention pays of in the long term.
Well, most of the 321s ;) The Doncaster refurbished units are great units which will shortly be in need of a home. It's just a shame their refurbishment has comer rather late in their lives.
 

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Quite a lot of classes have been completely retired from service in the last few years -

- 142 (fully retired 2020)
- 143 (fully retired 2021)
- 144 (fully retired 2020)
- 314 (fully retired 2019)
- 332 (fully retired 2020)
- 365 (fully retired 2021)
- 442 (fully retired 2020)
- 483 (fully retired 2021)

These classes are unlikely to last more than a few years -

- 153 (mid 2020s)
- 313 (mid 2020s)
- 315 (2022)
- 317 (c. 2023-25)
- 319 (c. 2022 - some converted to parcels units)
- 321 (c. 2022)
- 322 (c. 2022)
- 455 (2022 onwards)
- 456 (2022)
- 507 (2022)
- 508 (2022)
- 994 (Tyne & Wear Metro) - (c.2023)

And a few more classes which will probably be gone before the end of the decade -

- 43/HST
- 91/IC225
- 150
- 155
- 180
- 465
- 466
- 769 (can't see them lasting more than 10 years personally)
Wow, thanks for this, saves me a job as I was going to compile something like this myself!

Of those, there's a couple I disagree with/am not sure about:
91/Mk4 - seeing as the latest announcement from the Government on ECML upgrades made no mention of any funding for additional trains, one does have to wonder if the DFT are expecting the remaining 91s to last into the 2030s. Whether they actually make it that long without falling apart is another matter!
153 - can't see the Scottish ones going until whenever the West Highland Line gets hydrogen units, likely in the early 2030s.

A couple of date corrections:
317 - should all be gone by May 2022
994 - first two units have already gone, last ones planned to survive in service until 2025

And some more confirmed replacements:
LU 1973 stock (c. 2026)
DLR B90/B92/B01 (c. 2024)


If I had to have my own guess at some, then I think these ones also won't make it to the end of the decade in service:
175 - not sure anyone will actually want these once TFW have finished with them, they're not reliable and there's not that many of them so they'd be somewhat of a microfleet.
222 - not sure anyone will want them. They're not compatible with the 220/221 fleets so are of little use to XC, and ScotRail may just decide to soldier on with the HSTs until electrification reaches Inverness and Aberdeen near the end of the decade. Those would have been the only reasonable alternative operators for them.
230 - the routes using these are both likely to be incorporated into larger projects in the next 10 years - there's a reasonable chance of the Borderlands line being integrated with Merseyrail, and the Marston Vale line will be incorporated into East-West Rail.
318/320 - these units are getting on and it's already known that ScotRail will need more new EMUs in the next decade for expanding electrification, wouldn't surprise me if the opportunity is taken to replace the 318s and 320s at the same time.
458 - I could easily be wrong about these, but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with a similar fate to that of the 442s.
CAF Urbos trams in Birmingham and Edinburgh - given the cracks found on trams in Birmingham and Sydney, in the case of the latter leading to an 18 month service suspension, I can't see these trams lasting long.
LU 1972 stock - I'd be amazed if they last until 2030. If replacements aren't delivered I can see the Bakerloo line grinding to a halt as the stock gives up. They've been knackered already for more than a decade.
Siemens/Duewag Supertram - if I recall correctly, discussions are already underway with the view to bidding for funding to replace these trams.
CR4000 - as with the trams above, if I recall correctly discussions are already underway with the view to bidding for funding to replace these trams.
 

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91/Mk4 - seeing as the latest announcement from the Government on ECML upgrades made no mention of any funding for additional trains, one does have to wonder if the DFT are expecting the remaining 91s to last into the 2030s. Whether they actually make it that long without falling apart is another matter!
Preliminary studies are ongoing - x10 9-car electrics to replace the remaining IC225s. But, as you say, budget is key.
Siemens/Duewag Supertram - if I recall correctly, discussions are already underway with the view to bidding for funding to replace these trams.
There is work ongoing to ascertain their remaining useful lifespan. Component obsolescence may be a limiting factor.
458 - I could easily be wrong about these, but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with a similar fate to that of the 442s.
I'd give them at least 12 years!
 

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How about the 373s? They're down to 11 available for service (three of which are unrefurbished), but as far as I know there's no certainty yet on when/if they're being brought back into use.
 

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How about the 373s? They're down to 11 available for service (three of which are unrefurbished), but as far as I know there's no certainty yet on when/if they're being brought back into use.
Due 2022, but I'd be surprised if they lasted that long. Perhaps they'll get binned after a potential stock order following the merger?
 

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Preliminary studies are ongoing - x10 9-car electrics to replace the remaining IC225s. But, as you say, budget is key.
I imagine the Hitachi crack issue is the main reason why an order hasn't been placed!
 

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The majority of the PEP Fleet, leaving just Southern’s small fleet of Brighton based 313s. With the eventual replacement of the 319s in the North West by 323s, their days as conventional units are also on borrowed time.
Can see the 319s lasting til at least the end of 2022/early 2023, depending on how the 730s start entering service with WMT/LNWR so the 17 or all 26 323s can transfer to northern.
 
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