Partly. He's kicking up a stink about his fears that NPR will go through east Manchester on stilts.
Don't tell him that Castlefield dictates the city center's southern border, he might pop a gasket.
I'm sure that would be very enlightening, but please don't feel obliged to. I would certainly find it useful (and interesting too). Thanks.
He's generally attacking it. He has called for a free vote in the House of Commons and stated it is a "betrayal of the North".Partly. He's kicking up a stink about his fears that NPR will go through east Manchester on stilts.
Government planning ‘to put HS2 on stilts through Manchester’
Andy Burnham demands underground station for new route rather than cheaper series of viaductswww.theguardian.com
But it's Steve Rotheram, metro mayor of Liverpool City Region who takes the biscuit for me. From what I can understand, he wants a new city centre station and says this plan is "Cheap and Nasty"
Slight difference between "it's already there" and "it's entirely new construction with associated land take".
HS2 (still!) quote a journey time from Curzon Street to Toton of 20 minutes. Journey time to East Mids Parkway would probably be slightly less. EMD (pass) to Derby is around 9 minutes. It is therefore unlikely a non stop EMD to Derby train would be under 28 minutes without recovery, pathing or performance times. New St to Derby non-stop is 29.5 minutes with all "padding" stripped out.
If they take XC paths north of Derby what will run north of Sheffield?
How do you get 2-3 times faster?
Could it be that the reason that line to bfd interchange is being proposed for electrification is they intend to reverse some NPR trains out of Leeds and on to interchange . This would give Bradford an NPR service and free up platform capacity at Leeds.
Disagree. I much preferred the simple old layout. I could make a connection of 3 minutes. In the new station I wouldn't dream of anything less than a 20 minute connection. And I know people who won't change at New St but will find anywhere and everywhere else to change instead, for example Wolverhampton or Cheltenham. Just because it is now brighter and airer , it is now 100 times more stressful to use for the occasional passenger.
Er ok, the NPR trains would go past Bradford to Leeds then reverse back 10 miles to Bradford. It's bieng electrified to provide a quick EMU connecting service.
You put that brilliantly. Thank you. The hypocrisy of some on here is shocking.
No, but people from those places frequently visit the south west. Visiting family, friends, going on holidays, even heaven forbid business, university etc etc.
Sorry but the Government had promised, promised and promised to spend big and have watered it down. Why should anyone believe these new promises will be kept?
The trains may be faster but they will go a long way round and be limited to conventional speeds on existing tracks.
The interchange bridge you used before is still there and hasn't changed, the west footbridge now covers all platforms and there are additional east accesses to all the platforms duplicating the old interchange bridge and it now takes you 17 minutes longer? I think your exaggerating a bit maybe?
No exaggeration. Its the way the ticket barriers confuse you into thinking you are heading toward the platform you need only to be blocked at the last minute by a barrier. Numerous ticket checks to get between platforms.
No, use the either of the bridges you used to use, they are still where they always were without barriers. If you do come up the Blue/Yellow escalator you only have to pass through two ticket barriers.
Only if you use the eastern end footbridge
In addition, there is the reality that although a through journey can suffer from delays, you have your seat, a toilet, likely snacks and information. Where multiple connections apply, each train after the first can potentially be missed due to a wide variety of factors and in the worst case scenario you might even fail to catch a last train.
I agree. I'm in fact convinced some of the elected leaders haven't even read the report. I'm pretty sure that even if they'd approved everything in full, it still wouldn't be enough. I doubt the Treasury will be bothered though, as they know it's politicking. As indeed is the government announcement. It's a question of whether voters will believe the City Region line that they're being screwed over, or whether they believe the Government line, come the next election and I suspect the government will be happy they've done enough. Indeed, that's probably why the metro mayors and others are trying to make such a fuss about it. Like somebody said (so far back in this 27 page thread I'm not going to even try to find it!), the government could very easily have said "Yes we're going to build NPR and HS2 in full" and still nobody would be any the wiser if they didn't because there's going to be at least one if not two more general elections before a spade is dug anyway.
I'm not sure "promised" is a valid word. Phase 1 has indeed been promised, the Act has been passed, work has started. Everyone knows that Phase 2b was still subject to approval. Otherwise it would have been approved. There is still opposition to building it at all and we've just had a 1 in 100 years global pandemic, so I'd expect any government of any political hue to have a look at it.
Trouble is when u alight the packed Voyager / HST and the platform is thronging within seconds, hardly able to walk without tripping over prams and luggage etc, I just head to the nearest escalator. I'm not about to battle my way through to an alternative escalator. And anyway, how many occasional users are going to remember which of the 2 escaltors is the one you should use. I certainly can't remember despite using new st several times a year.
To be fair you do have to wonder what the point of setting up TfN was only a few years ago if the government were just going to decide that anything their studies recommended was too expensive. Then there's the land acquisition that has been done on the Eastern Leg. This kind of approach isn't especially conducive to value for money.
Agree. Trouble is on here we are all relatively confident rail users, and we forget that many long distance rail journeys are actually made by occasional rail users, many of whom are actually deeply unnerved by using trains and stations etc. Just because it is "everyday" for all of us, millions of people out there are extremely frightened at the idea of using the train, let alone having to change on route at a busy station.
