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Avanti Westcoast not issuing Delay Repay Compensation Forms

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Avanti Westcoast are effectively excluding customers without the facilities to upload a copy of a paper ticket online from compensation. A rather petulant young woman at Birmingham New St informed me that compensation forms are no longer printed by Avanti Westcoast because"everyone has smartphones".
All other major companies supply Delay Repay forms either on line or available at stations.

Why can Avanti get away with being so shoddy particularly when non advance tickets are so expensive and their
trains are so often cancelled or delayed?
 
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Freepost AVANTI WEST COAST​

That's the full address!

If you post a letter to them, explaining the situation and the incident, with the original ticket - keeping a copy - and providing your address, you may get a cheque. It's hard to predict - but it could work
 

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Freepost AVANTI WEST COAST​

That's the full address!

If you post a letter to them, explaining the situation and the incident, with the original ticket - keeping a copy - and providing your address, you may get a cheque. It's hard to predict - but it could work

I just tweeted them and asked how someone without internet access should claim Delay Repay (partly because I'm surprised they don't have forms any more, and partly because my nearly 80-year-old and decidedly old school parents use Avanti a fair bit and always claim DR when they're entitled). Amazingly they replied within minutes suggesting a letter to that address
 

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Avanti do as well...
Well, they supply a suitably obtusely designed web-form which requires a registration procedure and then, as the OP has specifically said they want to avoid, uploading pictures of the tickets.

For most TOCs there's a PDF you can just download. Much simpler.
 

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Or just send another TOCs form to that TOC and they'll forward it to Avanti for you.
 

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Why can Avanti get away with being so shoddy particularly when non advance tickets are so expensive and their
trains are so often cancelled or delayed?
Because it is the railway and they can get away with anything. Who is going to stop them?

As others have said, write a letter to their address with all the details on it and you shouldn’t have any issues.
 

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Because it is the railway and they can get away with anything. Who is going to stop them?
Just like the bad old days of BR, such attitude is what caused the demise of. British Rail in the 60s/70s.

There are now alternative train company you can go with.

I would put in a complaint about the "petulant young woman" it may not achieve much, they may bury it at least it would put an uncomfortable spotlight on her.

Write to the Postal address and keep copies, take a picture of everything for your back up
 

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Avanti Westcoast are effectively excluding customers without the facilities to upload a copy of a paper ticket online from compensation. A rather petulant young woman at Birmingham New St informed me that compensation forms are no longer printed by Avanti Westcoast because"everyone has smartphones".
All other major companies supply Delay Repay forms either on line or available at stations.

Why can Avanti get away with being so shoddy particularly when non advance tickets are so expensive and their
trains are so often cancelled or delayed?
I absolutely agree. I had problems claiming on line and had to email their customer services (no response yet) pointing out that they were choosing to remove the right of my IT-illiterate elderly mum to claim. Utterly useless company. The sooner they are binned the better.
 

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or just join the 20th century and use the automated process. It is much easier and faster.
Are you a complete apologist for the unacceptable or so obtuse that you don't get that some people can't. Those people still have rights.
 

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Are you a complete apologist for the unacceptable or so obtuse that you don't get that some people can't. Those people still have rights.

I understand most people could use "modern" technology if they bothered but don't. My gf's mum is of an advanced age and has got to grips with things like this. If she can almost everyone can. She even uses twitter to abuse the bus company when they don't show up!
 

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I understand most people could use "modern" technology if they bothered but don't. My gf's mum is of an advanced age and has got to grips with things like this. If she can almost everyone can.
I agree your last sentence.... So what about those who can't? How is shoddy second class, doubtless moneysaving for the company, for them acceptable?
 

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I absolutely agree. I had problems claiming on line and had to email their customer services (no response yet) pointing out that they were choosing to remove the right of my IT-illiterate elderly mum to claim. Utterly useless company. The sooner they are binned the better.

Is your mother incapable of writing a letter? She can even do it with a classic fountain pen on Basildon Bond if she wishes.

If not they are doing nothing of the sort.

I completely agree Avanti are useless, but this is just the way the world is going as IT-illiterate people, to put it bluntly, die off. And fewer still don't know anyone who is IT literate to stick the claim through for them (or book their Ryanair flights, or whatever).

Are you a complete apologist for the unacceptable or so obtuse that you don't get that some people can't. Those people still have rights.

Avanti have said people can write a letter to customer services to get vouchers. And what use is a PDF on the website if someone has to go and print it off for them? The same person can submit an online form for them instead.
 

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I agree your last sentence.... So what about those who can't? How is shoddy second class, doubtless moneysaving for the company, for them acceptable?

The world has changed. It isn't 1972 anymore. You have to change or get left behind. That is harsh but true. Personally I find that the service offered by LNER, say, to process delay repay automatically is fantastic and should be the standard for all. You shouldn't HAVE to claim, it should just happen.

I suspect the OP was given wrong information. I suspect the answer should have been we haven't got any forms left. Sorry.
 

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The world has changed. It isn't 1972 anymore. You have to change or get left behind. That is harsh but true. Personally I find that the service offered by LNER, say, to process delay repay automatically is fantastic and should be the standard for all. You shouldn't HAVE to claim, it should just happen.

Will be interesting to see how long it will take before e-ticket scanning can be used to work out what trains someone used on a flexible ticket and do that automatically too.
 

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Will be interesting to see how long it will take before e-ticket scanning can be used to work out what trains someone used on a flexible ticket and do that automatically too.
that will be great. Like I said you shouldn't have to claim ( or even know you can claim) it should just happen.
 

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or just join the 20th century and use the automated process. It is much easier and faster.
It is now the 21st century.In fact I am registered for automated delay repay.That does not work consistently either.The journey I am trying to obtain compensation for was delated by well over an hour not just a few minutes.No automated claim generated hence the need to claim manually.I gave Avanti my booking reference but no still not prepared to do anything about it

Avanti do as well...
I was told they do not

Will be interesting to see how long it will take before e-ticket scanning can be used to work out what trains someone used on a flexible ticket and do that automatically too.
If the Automated Delay Repay system does not pick up a delay of over one hour we are still in 1972
 
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The world has changed. It isn't 1972 anymore. You have to change or get left behind. That is harsh but true. Personally I find that the service offered by LNER, say, to process delay repay automatically is fantastic and should be the standard for all. You shouldn't HAVE to claim, it should just happen.

I suspect the OP was given wrong information. I suspect the answer should have been we haven't got any forms left. Sorry.
Re your last para the info he was given is absolutely consistent with the information l was given at Euston.

Is your mother incapable of writing a letter? She can even do it with a classic fountain pen on Basildon Bond if she wishes.

If not they are doing nothing of the sort.

I completely agree Avanti are useless, but this is just the way the world is going as IT-illiterate people, to put it bluntly, die off. And fewer still don't know anyone who is IT literate to stick the claim through for them (or book their Ryanair flights, or whatever).



Avanti have said people can write a letter to customer services to get vouchers. And what use is a PDF on the website if someone has to go and print it off for them? The same person can submit an online form for them instead.
Re your first response, with arthritis in her hands and awaiting a cataract operation then yes she would struggle to write a letter. Oh, and l live 150 miles away from her....
 

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If you were to go to a staffed station and explain the circumstances I would have hoped a member of staff would have helped fill in the delay repay claim form for you. I don’t know if they’re obliged to do so, but many staff at many stations would happily do so.
 

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Avanti have said people can write a letter to customer services to get vouchers.
In fairness, if they're going to allow this I can't see how not offering the form is a major saving for them. All they need to do is get the old VT one, scribble over all the references to Virgin, and send a few to each of their booking offices while somebody else puts it on the website. All this bother avoided.
 

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In fairness, if they're going to allow this I can't see how not offering the form is a major saving for them. All they need to do is get the old VT one, scribble over all the references to Virgin, and send a few to each of their booking offices while somebody else puts it on the website. All this bother avoided.

Easiest way would probably be just to have a PDF of it knocking about and booking offices printing them on demand.
 

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Although it's not an excuse for the staff member behaving "petulantly", it isn't unreasonable in 2021 to have the default option to be digital. I'd hope that if the railway was faced with a situation where a non-computer or smartphone using person who also couldn't write a letter to the freepost address needed to claim delay repay, then a member of staff in person at the station would be able to help them out.
 

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Although it's not an excuse for the staff member behaving "petulantly", it isn't unreasonable in 2021 to have the default option to be digital. I'd hope that if the railway was faced with a situation where a non-computer or smartphone using person who also couldn't write a letter to the freepost address needed to claim delay repay, then a member of staff in person at the station would be able to help them out.

In reality that is probably limited to people who are illiterate or blind, which is a small minority, and most such people will have someone to help them out because it won't just be the railway that is the issue.

"Blind and illiterate people who don't have a family member or carer to help with paperwork in life generally and don't use a computer with a screen reader" is one of those RUK minorities, i.e. such people barely exist at all. But I'm sure if someone in that position telephoned customer services* they would be assisted, as to fail to do so would breach the Equality Act.

Those minorities are not generally brought up, in my experience, due to genuine care for the plight of the tiny numbers of such people. They are brought up to justify people who do have an electronic means of submitting a Delay Repay claim choosing not to do so.

* If you add "and is also deaf and dumb so cannot use the telephone", the number of people in that position without a carer will be 0.
 
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Re your first response, with arthritis in her hands and awaiting a cataract operation then yes she would struggle to write a letter. Oh, and l live 150 miles away from her....
Exactly - people need to understand that not all disability is solved on the railways by screen displays, auto,mated announcement, colored grab handles and accessible toilets - but if the railways can be made to pay for them they can pay that bit more to provide material and access for other difficulties too.

We live in an ageing society with frail people living longer and service providers need to appreciate there will be more of this, much more - and factor it in to their business "models" (aka 'taking large sums of money from the taxpayer' including older and disabled taxpayers).
 

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Re your first response, with arthritis in her hands and awaiting a cataract operation then yes she would struggle to write a letter. Oh, and l live 150 miles away from her....

Right. So she can fill in a form but not write the same information on a piece of paper?

And she couldn't post her tickets to you and have you key it online for her? And she knows nobody at all to help locally?
 

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In reality that is probably limited to people who are illiterate or blind, which is a small minority, and most such people will have someone to help them out because it won't just be the railway that is the issue.

"Blind and illiterate people who don't have a family member or carer to help with paperwork in life generally and don't use a computer with a screen reader" is one of those RUK minorities, i.e. such people barely exist at all. But I'm sure if someone in that position telephoned customer services* they would be assisted, as to fail to do so would breach the Equality Act.

Those minorities are not generally brought up, in my experience, due to genuine care for the plight of the tiny numbers of such people. They are brought up to justify people who do have an electronic means of submitting a Delay Repay claim choosing not to do so.

* If you add "and is also deaf and dumb so cannot use the telephone", the number of people in that position without a carer will be 0.
Sorry - but it's just not that simple. My 80+ year old mum's carer is my 85+ year old dad. Any other care support is 100% paid for from their pension income and the carers, for the limited time they have available, would be spent on more critical medical stuff (if they were entitled to state funded care support there would be even less of it). Yet they do have a tablet and an internet connection - yet beyond the use of that for basic e-mail anything else ends up with a call to a younger member of the family to help with some scenario where they believe, often wrongly, (or have been told) they have to do things on line - this of course can include sorting out matters to do with bank accounts or other such things after they have been tricked following the numerous scam phone calls that we seem unable to block on their land line phone. And this is someone who is a retired scientist who would once have not been phased by the technology of the day (he would fix your valve radio for you for example, or dismantle and rebuild a a carburetor probably blindfold).

It's reasonable to have default by digital for lots of people, and firms that don't want the business of such people are free to withdraw from selling to them. But where firms are providing a basic public service, supported by the taxpayer, they need to accept that some parts of the service need to be provided to help the 'slowest ships in the convoy'.

Right. So she can fill in a form but not write the same information on a piece of paper?

And she couldn't post her tickets to you and have you key it online for her? And she knows nobody at all to help locally?
But why should she? - she paid the same price for a ticket as anyone else in the same circs would be required to do, so should be able to benefit from the same level of service - and that includes 'after sales service'.
 

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Avanti do as well...
Really? The last time I had reason to want one, Warrington Bank Quay station (operator: Avanti West Coast) had none. But they did have hundreds of Transport For Wales ones.

Just yet another reason why delay repay, and ticketing in general, should be centralised. The only reason it isn't must be that it's in the benefit of the TOCs for it not to be, because it's certainly not in the passenger's benefit.
 

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In fairness, if they're going to allow this I can't see how not offering the form is a major saving for them. All they need to do is get the old VT one, scribble over all the references to Virgin, and send a few to each of their booking offices while somebody else puts it on the website. All this bother avoided.
Fobbing customers off with having to contact customer resolutions is not an acceptable replacement to an effective Delay Repay Scheme.Replies take weeks because the staff are overloaded and why are they overloaded because the Automated Delay Digital System is not reliable and they will not supply claim forms.A vicious circle of poor customer service
 
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