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Hi. I'm hoping someone in this group might be able to help me identifying the details on this Bristol Omnibus Co Ltd ticket that I have just found. In particular I would love to know what year it is from, and any details on what route it may have been used on. I have just bought a vintage jacket and I found the ticket in the pocket! It would be great to put some history and a date to the jacket.

Thank you for your time, Peter
 

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I would say that Oct 14 (th) was the date the ticket was issued (unfortunately, you don't get to know the year), '45' was the route stage number, and '737' was the incremental/sequential ticket number, the next ones would be 738, 739 and so on.

The '783' in tiny print is probably the ticket machine number and '130' the price in pence (i.e. £1.30) which means that the date of the ticket is almost certainly post decimalisation.

Noted also that the ticket seems to be an "exchange ticket" which I think you get issued if you've been obliged to alight from a broken down bus and have to get another one.

Could be wrong on that interpretation, though.

Anyone concur / disagree?
 
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I would say that Oct 14 (th) was the date the ticket was issued (unfortunately, you don't get to know the year), '45' was the route number, and '737' was the incremental/sequential ticket number, the next ones would be 738, 739 and so on.

The '783' in tiny print is probably the ticket machine number and '130' the price in pence (i.e. £1.30) which means that the date of the ticket is almost certainly post decimalisation.

Noted also that the ticket seems to be an "exchange ticket" which I think you get issued if you've been obliged to alight from a broken down bus and have to get another one. Could be wrong on that interpretation, though.

Anyone concur / disagree?
Thank you @Mcr Warrior that is really helpful and insightful. Sounds like they might have been pleased to have their jacket if the bus did indeed breakdown! So the only way of knowing the year is if someone knew more specific details about the routes, pricing, inflation, or, I suppose the type of ticket design. Thank you again for your help, much appreciated.
 

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It also looks as though it has been punched by a ticket inspector. Realistically, were there many ticket inspectors out at the weekend, so is 14 Oct likely to be a weekday?
 

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It is a Setright machine ticket. 45 is the stage number at which the pasenger boarded. EXCH indicates it was issued as an "Anywhere" (rover) ticket. These were usually punched on the first bus after the one they were issued on. The only clue as to the year is that the fare is shown in £p, not £sd, thus must be 1971 or later. Bristol had converted from Setrights to Wayfarer IIs in the 1980s.
 
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This is the jacket. The ticket was in the zip pocket on the arm! This is my team, Bristol Rovers, this club crest was used 1982-87, but nothing to pinpoint it anymore than that. Obviously also possible the ticket was from later than 1987.

It is a Setright machine ticket. 45 is the stage number at which the pasenger boarded. EXCH indicates it was issued as an "Anywhere" (rover) ticket. These were usually punched on the first bus after the one they were issued on. The only clue as to the year is that the fare is shown in £p, not £sd, thus must be 1971 or later. Bristol had converted from Setrights to Wayfarer IIs in the 1980s.
Thank you for the replies. Do we know when in the 1980s Bristol converted from Setrights to Wayfarer IIs? Thanks.
 

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It is a Setright machine ticket. 45 is the stage number at which the pasenger boarded. EXCH indicates it was issued as an "Anywhere" (rover) ticket.
Thanks for clarifying. Yes, it's not the route number.

As regards the rear of the ticket, 'Rovercards' have been available in the Bristol area since the 1970s, I believe.
 

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The message on the back of the ticket suggests it was bought on a Bristol city service. I travelled regularly on Bristol Omnibus country services operated by Bath (BH) and Bristol Marlborough Street (MH) depots in the 1980s. Tickets usually had 'Send Your Parcels By Country Bus' on the back. I hardly ever used Bristol City routes so can't vouch for whatever messages their tickets had.
 
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Hi. I'm hoping someone in this group might be able to help me identifying the details on this Bristol Omnibus Co Ltd ticket that I have just found. In particular I would love to know what year it is from, and any details on what route it may have been used on. I have just bought a vintage jacket and I found the ticket in the pocket! It would be great to put some history and a date to the jacket.

Thank you for your time, Peter
What a fascinating find, thanks for posting it.
Do we know when in the 1980s Bristol converted from Setrights to Wayfarer IIs? Thanks.
My admittedly hazy memory is telling me the change happened prior to the October 1986 deregulation, possibly April 1986, when there was a big reorganisation of the city network, route numbers, timetables etc. ready for dereg, plus the launch of the CityLine branding.

Happy to be corrected on these dates though, if anyone has more accurate info.
The message on the back of the ticket suggests it was bought on a Bristol city service. I travelled regularly on Bristol Omnibus country services operated by Bath (BH) and Bristol Marlborough Street (MH) depots in the 1980s. Tickets usually had 'Send Your Parcels By Country Bus' on the back. I hardly ever used Bristol City routes so can't vouch for whatever messages their tickets had.
The only thing I’m wondering about this is that I can’t recall any city service fare stages as high as 45. The city centre itself was generally fare stage 20 (though there were a few oddities), with fare stage numbers increasing/decreasing away from there, depending on the route. The highest one I can recall was stage 32, which was Withywood (Sherrin Way) when the route 36 was in it’s long and winding glory.
 
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What a fascinating find, thanks for posting it.

My admittedly hazy memory is telling me the change happened prior to the October 1986 deregulation, possibly April 1986, when there was a big reorganisation of the city network, route numbers, timetables etc. ready for dereg, plus the launch of the CityLine branding.

Happy to be corrected on these dates though, if anyone has more accurate info.

The only thing I’m wondering about this is that I can’t recall any city service fare stages as high as 45. The city centre itself was generally fare stage 20 (though there were a few oddities), with fare stage numbers increasing/decreasing away from there, depending on the route. The highest one I can recall was stage 32, which was Withywood (Sherrin Way) when the route 36 was in it’s long and winding glory.
Thank you @Kremlin Stooge , I very much appreciate your insights. Your dating it as 1986 or earlier certainly seems to fit. Have you any idea what sort of bus ticket you'd have got for £1.30 in say 1986, that seems quite a significant price for back in the day, but I was only seven myself back then, so I'm not entirely sure!
 
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Thank you @Kremlin Stooge , I very much appreciate your insights. Your dating it as 1986 or earlier certainly seems to fit. Have you any idea what sort of bus ticket you'd have got for £1.30 in say 1986, that seems quite a significant price for back in the day, but I was only seven myself back then, so I'm not entirely sure!
With your observation about the dates of the BRFC crest we can narrow the years down to somewhere between 1982 and 1986. It has been identified earlier in the thread as likely to be a Rover ticket of some kind, so, at the price of £1·30, I’ll take a guess at it being an under-16’s ticket, as, even back then, adult Rover tickets had gone above £2.

I used to have a random collection of stuff like promo leaflets etc. dating from back then, even a couple of fare tables, but, as is the way of these things, they get lost or mislaid. :(
 

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Exchange tickets were also issued when there was interavilability with rai tickets. someone may have got on a bus with a rail ticket. the conductor will have retained the rail ticket and issues the exchange ticket.
 
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With your observation about the dates of the BRFC crest we can narrow the years down to somewhere between 1982 and 1986. It has been identified earlier in the thread as likely to be a Rover ticket of some kind, so, at the price of £1·30, I’ll take a guess at it being an under-16’s ticket, as, even back then, adult Rover tickets had gone above £2.

I used to have a random collection of stuff like promo leaflets etc. dating from back then, even a couple of fare tables, but, as is the way of these things, they get lost or mislaid. :(
I think we've probably all passed on things we wish we hadn't . That's interesting, could well be a big teenager then as the jacket is a size large. And yes, I think you are right, matching together the ticket details with the badge on the shirt gives Oct 82, 83, 84 or 85. It's a shame that the 14th of October doesn't match up to a football fixture, but obviously the owner could well have been wearing it any day of the week. Thanks again.
 

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If it's a teenager, then presumably a rover ticket would more likely to be used at the weekends since they should otherwise have been at school. The only day whch falls at the weekend is Sunday, 14 October 1984. Unless 14th October is at half-term.........
 

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When I worked for Bristol Omnibus in the 1970s I was asked by a local employer (a pie maker) to work out the exact journey made by one of the employees from just the Setright ticket he supplied. The machine number was issued to a particular depot and the date identified the route it was being used on that day. This information, together with the stage number and fare paid, helped me identify the journey made and the employer could tell which of his employees was putting bus tickets inside his pies before they went on sale! A somewhat unhappy customer had not surprisingly complained about this practice. I expect the miscreant got his P45, maybe enclosed in a pie, and I was rewarded with a pie and a packet of sausages (if I've got it right after 50 years).
 
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When I worked for Bristol Omnibus in the 1970s I was asked by a local employer (a pie maker) to work out the exact journey made by one of the employees from just the Setright ticket he supplied. The machine number was issued to a particular depot and the date identified the route it was being used on that day. This information, together with the stage number and fare paid, helped me identify the journey made and the employer could tell which of his employees was putting bus tickets inside his pies before they went on sale! A somewhat unhappy customer had not surprisingly complained about this practice. I expect the miscreant got his P45, maybe enclosed in pie, and I was rewarded with a pie and a packet of sausages (if I've got it right after 50 years).
What a great story! That put a smile on my face! Think the owner of my jacket is off the hook as they evidently looked after their ticket better. I certainly hope you got it right!!!

If it's a teenager, then presumably a rover ticket would more likely to be used at the weekends since they should otherwise have been at school. The only day whch falls at the weekend is Sunday, 14 October 1984. Unless 14th October is at half-term.........
That's a good shout, does seem likely.
 

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I was at Bristol University from 1984 to 1986 and remember the creation of the Cityline brand which I'm certain took place in 1985: when I was travelling from Hengrove and Knowle in the 1984/5 academic year it was green Bristol VRs all round, whereas Badgerline and Cityline appeared on the scene in late '85.
 
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I might just have pinned it down!

I couldn't find any matches for Bristol Rovers on Oct 14th during this period, but, I started looking at reserve, testimonial and charity matches and I've turned this up!

It could well be that the jacket was worn to this match on 14th October 1985.
 

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What a fascinating find, thanks for posting it.

My admittedly hazy memory is telling me the change happened prior to the October 1986 deregulation, possibly April 1986, when there was a big reorganisation of the city network, route numbers, timetables etc. ready for dereg, plus the launch of the CityLine branding.

Happy to be corrected on these dates though, if anyone has more accurate info.

The only thing I’m wondering about this is that I can’t recall any city service fare stages as high as 45. The city centre itself was generally fare stage 20 (though there were a few oddities), with fare stage numbers increasing/decreasing away from there, depending on the route. The highest one I can recall was stage 32, which was Withywood (Sherrin Way) when the route 36 was in it’s long and winding glory.
My March 1984 Bristol City Area fare book lists various stage 45s on the following services:
51: Whitchurch (Rookery Farm Estate)
54: Stockwood (The Coots)
57: Londonderry Farm (between Willsbridge and Keynsham)
58: North Common
59: Bromley Heath Road (Quakers Road)

Sherrin Way was indeed stage 32 at this time, though stage numbers around the central area varied wildly. I have a vague feeling that things may have been centred upon stage 20 during the 1970s.

The one thing I can't find any info on is for company Day Out tickets, though scratch-off Explorers and National Welsh Roverbus Plus joint tickets were covered. I made many visits to Bristol in the mid-1980s but as I had an Eastern Counties staff pass valid throughout NBC, bus fares weren't a major factor.

The City Line and Badgerline images were publicly launched on 29th April 1985. I think Wayfarers were introduced later that year (probably summer) as the vehicles in the launch photos don't have them fitted. The "big bang" revision to City services happened on 26th October 1986 when the likes of my beloved 88 were swept away.

There were a few conductors retained at Lawrence Hill and Muller Road (no idea about Winterstoke Road) who had protected status due to commencing their employment before OMO was introduced on Bristol Joint Services in the late 1960s, so they continued using Setrights during the Wayfarer era. I remember heritage FLF C7262 working an afternoon peak 54 for a short while, though I might be clutching at straws where Peter's ticket is concerned!
 

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My March 1984 Bristol City Area fare book lists various stage 45s on the following services:
51: Whitchurch (Rookery Farm Estate)
54: Stockwood (The Coots)
57: Londonderry Farm (between Willsbridge and Keynsham)
58: North Common
59: Bromley Heath Road (Quakers Road)

Sherrin Way was indeed stage 32 at this time, though stage numbers around the central area varied wildly. I have a vague feeling that things may have been centred upon stage 20 during the 1970s.

The one thing I can't find any info on is for company Day Out tickets, though scratch-off Explorers and National Welsh Roverbus Plus joint tickets were covered. I made many visits to Bristol in the mid-1980s but as I had an Eastern Counties staff pass valid throughout NBC, bus fares weren't a major factor.

The City Line and Badgerline images were publicly launched on 29th April 1985. I think Wayfarers were introduced later that year (probably summer) as the vehicles in the launch photos don't have them fitted. The "big bang" revision to City services happened on 26th October 1986 when the likes of my beloved 88 were swept away.

There were a few conductors retained at Lawrence Hill and Muller Road (no idea about Winterstoke Road) who had protected status due to commencing their employment before OMO was introduced on Bristol Joint Services in the late 1960s, so they continued using Setrights during the Wayfarer era. I remember heritage FLF C7262 working an afternoon peak 54 for a short while, though I might be clutching at straws where Peter's ticket is concerned!
I used the 51 and 54 regularly south of the city centre in 1984/5. My only sightings of an afternoon peak FLF during this period were always on the 14: wish it'd been on the 54 as that was always my bus home from university in the p.m. peak!
 
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