This will be an extremely long thread and will go on almost forever.The 55B Exeter - Tiverton is operated by Dartline and Stagecoach South West.
Does this happen elsewhere in the UK?
Just about the only place it doesnt happen (I suspect) is London and Northern Ireland. There will still be some joint services that are left over from pre-dereg days, some where county councils have arranged joint running (Oxford being an example), some competitive services using the same numbers and, as @markymark2000 hinted at, examples too numerous to menthion of subsidised journeys being run by a different operator from the main one.The 55B Exeter - Tiverton is operated by Dartline and Stagecoach South West.
Does this happen elsewhere in the UK?
A pre-deregulation one from Edinburgh - the 61 between St Andrew Square bus station and Balerno, run jointly by Eastern Scottish and Lothian Region Transport.
I see what you mean now. I didn't realise how much it happenedThis will be an extremely long thread and will go on almost forever.
Traffic Commissioners really ought to be able to forbid operators from doing this. Surely the operators don't want to confuse people, but they'd seemingly rather have the imagined prestige of a certain route number, which leads to towns having multiple '1's to different places. This essentially gives the operators free advertising, as instead of being told "catch the number 1 bus", people will be told to specifically catch the Dave's Dodgy Drives number 1.The 82 in Liverpool is run by both Arriva and Stagecoach. However, they serve slightly different routes and destinations. Non-locals could get very confused.
This goes back to Roadcar days. I believe EY and Roadcar shared management at one time during National Bus Company days350 Scunthorpe to Hull - Stagecoach/East Yorkshire.
As @markymark2000 says, it will be a long list, made up of....
- Jointly operated services - now a rarity but you have the Activ8 from Andover to Salisbury, and the 685 Carlisle to Newcastle as notable survivors
Currie was the original terminus of the 61 IIRC, as you say the extension to Balerno came later. I think the 61 was originally introduced to appease the locals in Currie as up until then LRT buses only ran as far as Juniper Green, with Currie lying outside the historic city boundary and, therefore, in Eastern Scottish territory.I remember that route and used it often when I was at Heriot-Watt University and lived in Balerno, back in thestone age1980s.
The 61 actually used to terminate at Riccarton Campus, and was only extended to Balerno in 1984 following a review of services in the area, with the aim of improving services to the university.
In the West Midlands, the 42/43 from West Bromwich to Dudley used to be operated jointly by National Express West Midlands and Diamond Bus.
However this arrangement came to an end, and now both companies operate on the route in direct competition with each other.
Currie was the original terminus of the 61 IIRC, as you say the extension to Balerno came later. I think the 61 was originally introduced to appease the locals in Currie as up until then LRT buses only ran as far as Juniper Green, with Currie lying outside the historic city boundary and, therefore, in Eastern Scottish territory.
In Sheffield both Stagecoach and First run the 120 Fulwood - City Centre -Crystal Peaks - Halfway service. It is not a joint service, but the buses are evenly spaced so they are not running at the same time - though sometimes this happens because of congestion.
As mentioned in my #13, these are examples where services are coordinated between two operators and they are commonplace in Merseyside and Sheffield in deals brokered by the respective PTEsIn Liverpool Stagecoach and Arriva run combined timetable services 82 86 routes both examples
Not quite. It was an Abus service previously but in a deal struck (as with the X8), Abus was operating as a contractor to First. What Abus couldn't do, First would then operate.The 349 in Bristol used to be jointly operated by Abus and First WoE, since September it's been entirely operated by First.
That Stagecoach journey on the 33 comes off the 42 from Marlborough, since Stagecoach took over the route the journey only rus as far as Bromham with Calne and Chippenham being on request which makes me think that if someone only wanted Chippenham would the route run direct through Sandy Lane omitting Calne?As @markymark2000 says, it will be a long list, made up of....
- Jointly operated services - now a rarity but you have the Activ8 from Andover to Salisbury, and the 685 Carlisle to Newcastle as notable survivors
- Co-ordinated services - now fewer with recent changes in Oxford but still prevalent in places like Merseyside
- Services where tendered journeys are operated by a firm different to the commercial operator, and even some routes have different tendered journeys operated by different firms - a practice prevalent in Wiltshire such as the 33 (Devizes to Chippenham) which is operated by Faresaver except one Stagecoach journey at tea time on a Saturday!