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News update on WNXX today for the 57/0s sold through the second list, WCRC took 009 & 010 and are reported as buying on 008, 011 & 012 from Ron Hull, paths are currently in place for tomorrow, 0823 0Z47 Carnforth to Longtown then 1548 0Z57 & 1828 0Z58 back to Carnforth
 
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News update on WNXX today for the 57/0s sold through the second list, WCRC took 009 & 010 and are reported as buying on 008, 011 & 012 from Ron Hull, paths are currently in place for tomorrow, 0823 0Z47 Carnforth to Longtown then 1548 0Z57 & 1828 0Z58 back to Carnforth
Part of me rather hopes that, although not entirely authentic, one of those 57/0s ends up in Brunswick Green.
 

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News update on WNXX today for the 57/0s sold through the second list, WCRC took 009 & 010 and are reported as buying on 008, 011 & 012 from Ron Hull, paths are currently in place for tomorrow, 0823 0Z47 Carnforth to Longtown then 1548 0Z57 & 1828 0Z58 back to Carnforth
What does WCRC need so many locos for?
 

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What does WCRC need so many locos for?
I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of those 57/0s are destined as spares donors for WCRC's existing 57s, some of which are apparently very difficult to get hold of.
 

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They'll be quite disappointed if they want serviceable wheelsets.

There's surprisingly few spares between the two sub-types of locomotive, and 57/0 doesn't have ETS (and can't easily be fitted without robbing a 57/3) so that rules out passenger working.
 

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They'll be quite disappointed if they want serviceable wheelsets.

There's surprisingly few spares between the two sub-types of locomotive, and 57/0 doesn't have ETS (and can't easily be fitted without robbing a 57/3) so that rules out passenger working.
West Coast use their 37s on passenger trains and they don't have any ETS.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of those 57/0s are destined as spares donors for WCRC's existing 57s, some of which are apparently very difficult to get hold of.
Almost certainly.
AIUI WCR have only returned two of the three ex Cotswold 57/0s to traffic out of 57001 57005 and 57006. So one of the latter has become a parts donor for the others anyway.

Once they are gone they are gone, but it only really repeats the history of the class 47s. IIRC WCR have had a number of 47s which have never returned to traffic under their ownership 47194 and 47355 are two examples I think.

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They also have (had?) some no heat 47s that have been used on passenger trains.
And 47237 47245 and 47270 still work regularly on all sorts of work

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Part of me rather hopes that, although not entirely authentic, one of those 57/0s ends up in Brunswick Green.
I think the 57/0s look a little more "authentic" than the 57/3s because they still have the Serck radiators IIRC. Not that it really matters because the LSL locos still look prettier in two tone.
Or did you mean all over Brunswick green - equally nice, but is it time for another XP64 recreation ?
 
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Almost certainly.
AIUI WCR have only returned two of the three ex Cotswold 57/0s to traffic out of 57001 57005 and 57006. So one of the latter has become a parts donor for the others anyway.

Once they are gone they are gone, but it only really repeats the history of the class 47s. IIRC WCR have had a number of 47s which have never returned to traffic under their ownership 47194 and 47355 are two examples I think.

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And 47237 47245 and 47270 still work regularly on all sorts of work

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I think the 57/0s look a little more "authentic" than the 57/3s because they still have the Serck radiators IIRC. Not that it really matters because the LSL locos still look prettier in two tone.
Or did you mean all over Brunswick green - equally nice, but is it time for another XP64 recreation ?


Ah, There's a reason for suggesting the Brunswick lined green paint ;) If you know your 47s, 57009 was rebuilt from 47079 'GJ Churchward', one of the former 4 GWR 150 locos repainted into lined Brunswick Green with GWR Style nameplates (47079 / 484 / 500 / 628). WCRC did of course have 500 in it's active fleet (and what a beast it was!), though sadly it met it's fate thanks to the Ordsall Lane incident and has since been cut up.

Regarding the former Advenza 57s, there is a reason why 2 out of the 3 WCRC returned to traffic. Both 57001 / 006 were lucky in where they were when Cotswold / Advenza failed, however 005 was less fortunate. I believe it had ran out of fuel when it was dumped in the siding next to Cardiff Central (no doubt having been told where to shove it by Arriva's Canton Depot), and left for some time during which we had a particularly harsh winter. Now, any good loco needs to be stored properly if it isn't going to be used during a winter - it wasn't, and ended up with a cracked engine block. This obviously sealed it's fate with WCRC as a spares donor and hasn't ran again since.
 

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Ah, There's a reason for suggesting the Brunswick lined green paint ;) If you know your 47s, 57009 was rebuilt from 47079 'GJ Churchward', one of the former 4 GWR 150 locos repainted into lined Brunswick Green with GWR Style nameplates (47079 / 484 / 500 / 628). WCRC did of course have 500 in it's active fleet (and what a beast it was!), though sadly it met it's fate thanks to the Ordsall Lane incident and has since been cut up.

Regarding the former Advenza 57s, there is a reason why 2 out of the 3 WCRC returned to traffic. Both 57001 / 006 were lucky in where they were when Cotswold / Advenza failed, however 005 was less fortunate. I believe it had ran out of fuel when it was dumped in the siding next to Cardiff Central (no doubt having been told where to shove it by Arriva's Canton Depot), and left for some time during which we had a particularly harsh winter. Now, any good loco needs to be stored properly if it isn't going to be used during a winter - it wasn't, and ended up with a cracked engine block. This obviously sealed it's fate with WCRC as a spares donor and hasn't ran again since.

Have to admit I am not so massively clued up on 47s, but as you say "47079" recreated would be quite fitting, even though I understand most "spoon goons" struggle to accept class 57s as ex 47s. 47484 still at Wishaw I believe, but whether it will be eventually restored to running condition who knows.

As you said it, I remembered that 57 being left in the siding at Cardiff and wondered if it had CBS (cracked block syndrome).

Fingers crossed for their future, but maybe Carnforth need to make some more siding space. They are going to end up with the largest collection of Brush 4s at this rate

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Anyone know if it's true that 37606 has entered preservation?

Railways illustrated reported lately that it's been bought by steve beniston who also owns 37418.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they bin the 47's
I doubt it, as the 57/0s don't have ETH! While they do have some non ETH fitted 47s, the ones that are are also the Duel Braked ones predominately used on steam specials. So the 47s will remain with WCRC for a while yet.

The 37s on the other hand...
 

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Anyone know if it's true that 37606 has entered preservation?

Railways illustrated reported lately that it's been bought by steve beniston who also owns 37418.
Isn't this the one that was purchased by someone and it then appeared in the Colas pool having been leased to them?
 

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Isn't this the one that was purchased by someone and it then appeared in the Colas pool having been leased to them?
Yes. I believe Steve Beniston owns 37418 which has worked for Colas for several years, albeit a lot of that time at Rhymney on flex standby. 37418 is now on the general Colas pool of locos so it would be easy to see 37606 as doing the same, after it has had some work done on it.
 

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An ownership update yesterday on WNXX of the two batches sold

HNRC - 20301/20303/20304/20308/20309/20312/37405/37603/37604/37609/37703

LSL - 20302/20305/57004/57302/57311

WCRC - 57008/57009/57010/57011/57012

Private - 37606

57008/011/012 were bought on by WCRC from Ron Hull
 

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Anyone know if it's true that 37606 has entered preservation?

Railways illustrated reported lately that it's been bought by steve beniston who also owns 37418.
Yes. I believe Steve Beniston owns 37418 which has worked for Colas for several years, albeit a lot of that time at Rhymney on flex standby. 37418 is now on the general Colas pool of locos so it would be easy to see 37606 as doing the same, after it has had some work done on it.
I have 418 down as owned by ”Tractor Factor Ltd.” - I understand that’s the name of Steven Beniston’s company?
 

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WCRC has almost all of production batch 2 of the 57s then...
I really do wonder what they open to do with them. No that many spares for batch 2 of the 57/3s.
 

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Indeed, Steven and Michelle Beniston listed as directors and based in Kinsley
Perfect, thanks. That’s helping me to keep abreast of the DRS and Colas locos.
 

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Yes. I believe Steve Beniston owns 37418 which has worked for Colas for several years, albeit a lot of that time at Rhymney on flex standby. 37418 is now on the general Colas pool of locos so it would be easy to see 37606 as doing the same, after it has had some work done on it.
Thanks Bart :)
 

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Thanks Bart :)
What is tantalising is the livery 37606 will be outshopped in, assuming the DRS blue will be left on the rubbing down. Could it emerge in silver ring bling and triple grey ? or large log grey with the optional red stripe ? Or Large logo blue to match 37418 ?
 
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Indeed, Steven and Michelle Beniston listed as directors and based in Kinsley
Hi, Do you know if 37503 (i think it is), 31454 and 60050/60086 (All at Kinsley except 31454) are all owned by Steve Beniston as well as 37418 please? I heard that 37057 might have been owned by them as well but i think its now been sold to Colas Rail. Thank you very much

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Buying them is the simple part, finding somewhere for them to go and getting them working again is the tricky bit.
Very true, According to various people that ive spoken too, the prices can start at around £20,000 (Absolute scrap price) and go up to around £150,000 for a Mainline certified or Running condition locomotive. I would doubt that any of these locos up for sale would go that high (Apart from maybe the 57/3's) but wouldn't be surprising as apparently Network Rail sold its class 31's for around £120,000 and they weren't in good condition so suppose its how much the owner values them at or how much people are willing to pay?
 
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They'll be quite disappointed if they want serviceable wheelsets.

There's surprisingly few spares between the two sub-types of locomotive, and 57/0 doesn't have ETS (and can't easily be fitted without robbing a 57/3) so that rules out passenger working
They'll be quite disappointed if they want serviceable wheelsets.

There's surprisingly few spares between the two sub-types of locomotive, and 57/0 doesn't have ETS (and can't easily be fitted without robbing a 57/3) so that rules out passenger work
They'll be quite disappointed if they want serviceable wheelsets.

There's surprisingly few spares between the two sub-types of locomotive, and 57/0 doesn't have ETS (and can't easily be fitted without robbing a 57/3) so that rules out passenger working.
All have serviceable wheelsets.
57/0s, 57/3s and both types of 57/6 all share many common components so the ex DRS 57/0s are a very valuable source of parts for anyone running a 57 regardless of subclass.

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Ah, There's a reason for suggesting the Brunswick lined green paint ;) If you know your 47s, 57009 was rebuilt from 47079 'GJ Churchward', one of the former 4 GWR 150 locos repainted into lined Brunswick Green with GWR Style nameplates (47079 / 484 / 500 / 628). WCRC did of course have 500 in it's active fleet (and what a beast it was!), though sadly it met it's fate thanks to the Ordsall Lane incident and has since been cut up.

Regarding the former Advenza 57s, there is a reason why 2 out of the 3 WCRC returned to traffic. Both 57001 / 006 were lucky in where they were when Cotswold / Advenza failed, however 005 was less fortunate. I believe it had ran out of fuel when it was dumped in the siding next to Cardiff Central (no doubt having been told where to shove it by Arriva's Canton Depot), and left for some time during which we had a particularly harsh winter. Now, any good loco needs to be stored properly if it isn't going to be used during a winter - it wasn't, and ended up with a cracked engine block. This obviously sealed it's fate with WCRC as a spares donor and hasn't ran again since.

57001 was never an Advenza/Cotswold loco and 57005 doesn’t have a cracked block, it does however have a knackered auxiliary generator which would be very expensive to repair so has been used as a Xmas tree to keep all of the other 57s going.
 

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Reported on WNXX today that another six locos have been allocated to the disposal pool

37038 - 37059 - 37259 - 37409 - 57002 - 57007
 

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Reported on WNXX today that another six locos have been allocated to the disposal pool

37038 - 37059 - 37259 - 37409 - 57002 - 57007
Locations:
37038 - Crewe Gresty Bridge
37059 - Crewe Gresty Bridge
37259 - Carlisle Kingmoor
37409 - Carlisle Kingmoor
57002 - Stowmarket DGL
57007 - Carlisle Kingmoor
 

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Now on the website -
https://www.directrailservices.com/heritage-fleet-sale-continues-2/
The third tranche of Direct Rail Services’ (DRS) heritage stock is now available for sale.

This sale will see four Class 37 and two Class 57 locomotives available to buy through a competitive online bidding process. You can find the full list on the website – https://sharedsystems.eu-supply.com/login.asp?B=DRS

Locomotives 37038, 37059, 37259, 37409, 57003, 57007 are all offered as part of the sale and an opportunity to view the engines will be made as part of the tendering process.


 
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