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I thought it would be useful to start a thread to keep track of substantive bus service withdrawals since the pandemic. I am not talking about the loss of irregular / infrequent routes, nor where there are largely alternative parallel routes, nor urban routes. I do mean routes of at least 30 minutes or so in length, typically inter-urban, running at least two hourly. And I would include details of withdrawals which have been threatened but the services have been reprieved as far as is known. Most of these are commercial services being withdrawn where, in some cases, a local authority has stepped in with a replacement. These are the ones I can think of, not 100% sure about everything. Comments, corrections, additions welcomed (I don't mean operators are welcomed to withdraw more routes!). I'm sure there's one or two sizeable ones I have forgotten....

Operator & routeBetweenOutcomeFunded
Go Cornwall 11Liskeard to Bodmin Parkway, hourlyReprieved, mostly hourly, temporary. Through route to Bodmin town, Wadebridge and Padstow lost but still connections.?
Stagecoach South West 92Totnes to Dartmouth, roughly two hourlyReprieved, similar timetable.Devon
Stagecoach West 32,132Newent to Ross & Ledbury, each two hourlyWithdrawn except school journeys to Ross. Gloucester to Newent remains.
Stagecoach South East 7Aldershot to Reading, hourly (?)Withdrawn. Some remains Aldershot to Fleet, Reading have covered Reading to Swallowfield, both much reduced
Arriva Kent 308Gravesend to Sevenoaks, every 90 minutesReprieved, operated by Redroute to same timesKent
Arriva Kent 155Chatham to Maidstone, hourly through serviceCut back to school journeys, news awaited if other replacement
Metroline 84Barnet to St Albans via Potters Bar, 30 minutesReprieved between Potters Bar and St Albans by Sullivan, withdrawn to BarnetHertfordshire
Stagecoach Oxford 200Banbury to Daventry hourlyReprieved temporarilyOxfordshire & Northamptonshire
Stagecoach East 41Bedford to Northampton, currently 90 minutesSeen threats of withdrawal, still running, not sure what is happening
Centrebus 19Melton Mowbray to Nottingham, two hourlyAppears doomed
Travel WrightAll services ceased, not sure if anything was commercial or substantive.Some been taken over, some not. The main route Newark to Collingham and beyond remains.
Hulley X57Snake Pass, Ladybower to Glossop, two hourlyWithdrawn. Maybe a special case as introduction was so recent.
Arriva Midlands North 9Wolverhampton to Bridgnorth, hourlyTemporary reprieve, unchangedShropshire
Arriva Midlands North 544/546Shrewsbury to Little Lythe / Pulverbatch, combined hourlyTemporary reprieve, unchangedShropshire
East Yorkshire 45Market Weighton to Driffield, two hourlyToken service, mostly withdrawn, through links to day trip in Bridlington lost.E Yorkshire
East Yorkshire 55Elloughton to Gilberdyke, hourlyRetained off peak, all peak service to Hull withdrawnE Yorkshire
Stagecoach N Lancs 80,81Lancaster to Kirkby Lonsdale and Ingleton, hourly combinedReprieved within Lancashire by K Lonsdale Coach Hire in different format, token replacement in YorkshireLancashire
 
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The historic Aldershot - Church Crookham - Fleet - Hartley Wintney - Riseley - Reading corridor was actually broken up prior to COVID, but the two halves have both suffered since.

Monday 5th January 2015 saw the then-72 broken, withdrawn south of Church Crookham to/from Aldershot with no replacement and instead diverted eastwards to/from Farnborough to largely replace the Fleet Buzz 30. This was the period that Hampshire County Council made huge funding cuts and Stagecoach's low-cost Fleet Buzz unit acquired in 2011 was finally integrated into the main Stagecoach South network.

Later in 2015, after much local campaigning, he new Stagecoach 10 was introduced between Church Crookham and Farnborough which allowed the 72 to resume operating back as an hourly Aldershot to Reading service once again (albeit via a more direct route Aldershot to Church Crookham rather than via Weybourne and Upper Hale). It was renumbered from 72 to 7 at this time.

Monday 16th April 2018 saw the route split again, but now between two operators. Stagecoach retained the southern Aldershot - Church Crookham - Fleet - Elvetham Heath - Hartley Wintney section, while Reading Buses took on the northern Fleet - Hartley Wintney - Riseley - Reading section (they had already long operated the evening and Sunday Riseley to Reading shorts funded by Wokingham Borough Council). Both routes retained their '7' route number, despite the overlap Fleet to Hartley Wintney, and ran hourly with two vehicles each. Reading Buses later branded their northern half route 7 'Tiger'. Stagecoach later reduced their hourly southern Aldershot to Hartley Wintney half to an hourly Aldershot to Elvetham Heath route, with hourly shorts interworked with the 10 giving a half-hourly Fleet to Elvetham Heath frequency, and daily extension to/from Hartley Wintney for shoppers.

Monday 6th January 2020 saw Reading Buses reduce their 7 from an all-day hourly Fleet to Reading service to just five full-length return trips based around school/commuting/shopping hours, supplemented by Spencers Wood to Riseley shorts during the day.

So immediately pre-pandemic... Stagecoach ran hourly Aldershot - Church Crookham - Fleet - Elvetham Heath (with half-hourly between those two latter points), with a daily shopper extension Elvetham Heath to Hartley Wintney. Reading Buses ran five commercial journeys Fleet - Hartley Wintney - Riseley - Reading, with some daytime shorts Spencers Wood to Reading, and the council-funded evening/Sunday Riseley to Reading shorts.

Then the pandemic hit.

2020-2022 saw Stagecoach halve from hourly to a broadly two-hourly Aldershot - Church Crookham - Fleet - Elvetham Heath service funded by Hampshire County Council, with two return weekday trips extending to/from Hartley Wintney for shoppers. Reading Buses largely continued with their commercial Monday to Saturday daytime offering and Wokingham Borough Council-funded evening/Sunday shorts to Riseley.

2022 changes.

With the service offerings having remained pretty stable throughout 2020 and 2021, this year is seeing changes.

Monday 17th January 2022 saw Reading Buses "suspend" their Tiger 7 completely (including the council funded evening/Sunday journeys), citing some near-three month roadworks causing a potential lengthy diversion between Fleet and Hartley Wintney. Thankfully Stagecoach issued a revised timetable taking into account the diversion, although this was only of benefit for Hartley Wintney residents wanting to shop in Fleet between around 10am and lunchtime.

Monday 14th March 2022 saw Reading Buses reinstate the Tiger 7, but only a daytime service over the most northerly section between Riseley and Reading funded by Wokingham Borough Council, and excluding the previously funded evening/Sunday service. This kind of makes one think the suspension was actually a withdrawal using the roadworks as an excuse, with even this limited reinstatement being down to the council stumping up money. This still leaves Hartley Wintney to Riseley unserved, so a big hole in the overall Aldershot to Reading historic link.

Monday 11th April 2022 will see Stagecoach begin a slightly revised timetable over their southern Aldershot - Church Crookham - Fleet - Elvetham Heath section, still funded by Hampshire County Council. The base structure remains two-hourly, however there will now be three rather than two daytime shoppers extensions to/from Hartley Wintney (and these will also now run Saturdays rather than just weekdays), and a slightly quicker route avoiding Aldershot Centre for Health will allow a short double-run to/from Fleet railway station.

So in short, the through Aldershot to Reading service was actually split back in 2018, but since Covid the two halves have been reduced further, with a big hole in the middle. Stagecoach South's Aldershot to Hartley Wintney section is funded by Hampshire County Council, and Reading Buses' Riseley to Reading section is now funded by Wokingham Borough Council.
 
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First 144 (Birmingham to Worcester) to become Worcester to Catshill from Arpil 24th. Follows 146 (Birmingham to Reddtich), that went at start of COVID I think. Ends long standing service from Birmingham to Worcester, Droitwitch, Bromsgrove. (Local 63 NX service continues to run on Bristol Rd as far as Rubery only in the urban area).
 
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First Leeds x7 to Alwoodley. Just the 7A now. X7 started with Leeds City Transport around 1970 as a fastaway 235.
 

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Thanks for the feedback.

So I would include the Reading to Aldershot 7 in that there was a Reading 7 from Reading to Fleet with 5 commercial journeys with Stagecoach operating between Aldershot and Fleet. From Fleet to Swallowfield this has now basically gone apart from some token services. The history is useful.

First 144 - wow - hadn't heard this was about to happen although I remember it being reduced to hourly and some past talk of cutbacks. It doesn't fully withdraw service to anywhere, there are frequent services from Birmingham to Rubery and the 202 still runs hourly from Rubery to Bromsgrove, although I would consider it a significant loss. What a sad ending to a frequent double deck crew-operated trunk route (every 15 minutes going back?) through to Great Malvern!

Noted on the Leeds X7 but there is still a service to Alwoodley and it is relatively urban.

Thought of one more but can't remember how recent. I remember this now because I have just seen some pictures of buses in Biggleswade from the splendid collection of @TheSel
There was a Centrebus service between Hitchin and Biggleswade, Sandy, Potton & Gamlingay, possibly 188 and 190, which was withdrawn not long ago. Grant Palmer now cover Hitchin to Biggleswade with their 74 and some of the 188 & 190 still exists north of Biggleswade, now run by Herberts Travel. I think some was commercial, these were largely hourly, and what remains is almost certainly tendered.
 

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The 188/189/190 routes really divided into two parts. The southern end between Hitchin and Biggleswade is now covered by the Grant Palmer 74, which actually has the additional advantage of providing a quicker journey between Hitchin and Bedford than do the Stagecoach services via Shefford.

The northern end between Biggleswade and Sandy via Potton is now covered by the Stagecoach 72. There are still two buses per hour between Bedford and Biggleswade via Sandy, but instead of both running via the A1 as they used, there is now one that goes that way (now numbered 73) and one via Potton. That meant that the hamlet of Beeston on the A1 went from two bph to one, but it has a population of 700 and is scarcely a mile from Sandy in any case.

The 72 doesn't serve Gamlingay, which is now served only by what's left of the 188/189/190. But it still has a bus to Biggleswade and Sandy every two hours, which is all it ever had. What I don't know is which council funds those services. They used to be Central Bedfordshire services when the main reason for their existence was Potton, but Gamlingay is in Cambridgeshire so Central Beds may not consider it to be their problem.
 

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The 72 doesn't serve Gamlingay, which is now served only by what's left of the 188/189/190. But it still has a bus to Biggleswade and Sandy every two hours, which is all it ever had. What I don't know is which council funds those services. They used to be Central Bedfordshire services when the main reason for their existence was Potton, but Gamlingay is in Cambridgeshire so Central Beds may not consider it to be their problem.
It sounds better than 'it ever had'. In 1979, in the apparently good old days of regulation and the National Bus Company, Potton had 5 per day to Sandy & Bedford (Service 178) and 7 per day (with a few odd day extras, and a substantial service on Saturdays) to Biggleswade. There was no bus from Btiggleswade to Potton between 13h15 and 17h15 (except Weds).
 

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First 144 (Birmingham to Worcester) to become Worcester to Catshill from Arpil 24th. Follows 146 (Birmingham to Reddtich), that went at start of COVID I think. Ends long standing service from Birmingham to Worcester, Droitwitch, Bromsgrove. (Local 63 NX service continues to run on Bristol Rd as far as Rubery only in the urban area).
Yes I read that. Service 144 has run since 1914. Not that this necessarily means it's still relevant today but certainly one of the oldest routes in the country.
 

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First 144 (Birmingham to Worcester) to become Worcester to Catshill from Arpil 24th. Follows 146 (Birmingham to Reddtich), that went at start of COVID I think. Ends long standing service from Birmingham to Worcester, Droitwitch, Bromsgrove. (Local 63 NX service continues to run on Bristol Rd as far as Rubery only in the urban area).
Had a quick look at bustimes.org for this service for 27th April (random date after 24th April).
Its description is (the same description applies today also).

144 - Catshill, Green Ln - Worcs Bus Stn​

however times are still shown as hourly into Birmingham on that date.

Does this mean that bustimes.org will update soon? Also First Worcester website not showing route shortening as yet.
 

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Had a quick look at bustimes.org for this service for 27th April (random date after 24th April).
Its description is (the same description applies today also).

144 - Catshill, Green Ln - Worcs Bus Stn​

however times are still shown as hourly into Birmingham on that date.

Does this mean that bustimes.org will update soon? Also First Worcester website not showing route shortening as yet.

144 -
Route to operate between Worcester and Catshill, service will no longer serve Birmingham

Found at https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-j...es-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-changes/ under 24th April.

As someone who traveled on the 144 when it went to Malvern Wells, my knowledge of the current situation is not that good but I wonder to what extent passenger numbers have been affected by the introduction of regular rail services to Birmingham since 2018, in particular commuter numbers and Covid was the final straw. I note that frequency is now down to one an hour on the 144.

I would be surprised if there are not students at Waseley Hills High School and at the Longbridge Campus of South and City College who will be affected. Clearly not stacks otherwise the route would be viable (and those living in Bromsgrove itself can catch the train) but for those living in areas like Catshill.

While there are alternative bus services (145 and 202), these would be less convenient.
 

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First Worcester had new timetables up for this route and others under forthcoming timetables from May 1st.
However have since removed them yesterday for some reason.
 

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As someone who traveled on the 144 when it went to Malvern Wells, my knowledge of the current situation is not that good but I wonder to what extent passenger numbers have been affected by the introduction of regular rail services to Birmingham since 2018, in particular commuter numbers and Covid was the final straw. I note that frequency is now down to one an hour on the 144.
Indeed, even in the mid 1990s, there was a 15 min service on the 143/144 from Bromsgrove to Birmingham. The improvements to the rail service have abstracted the trade and Covid was the final straw
 

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I thought it would be useful to start a thread to keep track of substantive bus service withdrawals since the pandemic. I am not talking about the loss of irregular / infrequent routes, nor where there are largely alternative parallel routes, nor urban routes. I do mean routes of at least 30 minutes or so in length, typically inter-urban, running at least two hourly. And I would include details of withdrawals which have been threatened but the services have been reprieved as far as is known. Most of these are commercial services being withdrawn where, in some cases, a local authority has stepped in with a replacement. These are the ones I can think of, not 100% sure about everything. Comments, corrections, additions welcomed (I don't mean operators are welcomed to withdraw more routes!). I'm sure there's one or two sizeable ones I have forgotten....

Operator & routeBetweenOutcomeFunded
Go Cornwall 11Liskeard to Bodmin Parkway, hourlyReprieved, mostly hourly, temporary. Through route to Bodmin town, Wadebridge and Padstow lost but still connections.?
Stagecoach South West 92Totnes to Dartmouth, roughly two hourlyReprieved, similar timetable.Devon
Stagecoach West 32,132Newent to Ross & Ledbury, each two hourlyWithdrawn except school journeys to Ross. Gloucester to Newent remains.
Stagecoach South East 7Aldershot to Reading, hourly (?)Withdrawn. Some remains Aldershot to Fleet, Reading have covered Reading to Swallowfield, both much reduced
Arriva Kent 308Gravesend to Sevenoaks, every 90 minutesReprieved, operated by Redroute to same timesKent
Arriva Kent 155Chatham to Maidstone, hourly through serviceCut back to school journeys, news awaited if other replacement
Metroline 84Barnet to St Albans via Potters Bar, 30 minutesReprieved between Potters Bar and St Albans by Sullivan, withdrawn to BarnetHertfordshire
Stagecoach Oxford 200Banbury to Daventry hourlyReprieved temporarilyOxfordshire & Northamptonshire
Stagecoach East 41Bedford to Northampton, currently 90 minutesSeen threats of withdrawal, still running, not sure what is happening
Centrebus 19Melton Mowbray to Nottingham, two hourlyAppears doomed
Travel WrightAll services ceased, not sure if anything was commercial or substantive.Some been taken over, some not. The main route Newark to Collingham and beyond remains.
Hulley X57Snake Pass, Ladybower to Glossop, two hourlyWithdrawn. Maybe a special case as introduction was so recent.
Arriva Midlands North 9Wolverhampton to Bridgnorth, hourlyTemporary reprieve, unchangedShropshire
Arriva Midlands North 544/546Shrewsbury to Little Lythe / Pulverbatch, combined hourlyTemporary reprieve, unchangedShropshire
East Yorkshire 45Market Weighton to Driffield, two hourlyToken service, mostly withdrawn, through links to day trip in Bridlington lost.E Yorkshire
East Yorkshire 55Elloughton to Gilberdyke, hourlyRetained off peak, all peak service to Hull withdrawnE Yorkshire
Stagecoach N Lancs 80,81Lancaster to Kirkby Lonsdale and Ingleton, hourly combinedReprieved within Lancashire by K Lonsdale Coach Hire in different format, token replacement in YorkshireLancashire

Interesting you've put Stagecoach 41 on there - I really don't understand how that survives. The demand for travel between Northamton & Bedford is negligible at best.

I think it would make far mor sense to split it and run a Northampton - Olney - Milton Keynes service and a Bedford - Olney service.

The places north of Olney aren't going to be heading to Bedford for shopping or leisure with MK closer and much better equipped, so making that change would offer those places a more useful service.

For those south of Olney (bearing in mind they are Beds villages) they're more likely to be heading to Bedford than Northampton.

It's also worth pointing out Olney - Bedford takes 50 minutes, Olney - Northampton is about 30 mins.
 

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Interesting you've put Stagecoach 41 on there - I really don't understand how that survives. The demand for travel between Northamton & Bedford is negligible at best.

I think it would make far mor sense to split it and run a Northampton - Olney - Milton Keynes service and a Bedford - Olney service.

The places north of Olney aren't going to be heading to Bedford for shopping or leisure with MK closer and much better equipped, so making that change would offer those places a more useful service.

For those south of Olney (bearing in mind they are Beds villages) they're more likely to be heading to Bedford than Northampton.

It's also worth pointing out Olney - Bedford takes 50 minutes, Olney - Northampton is about 30 mins.
I’m sure I saw somewhere that it was to be withdrawn altogether but can’t recall exactly where. Used to be a trunk service with Lodekkas, possibly numbered 128?
 

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The route number 128 was a while back, but yes indeed. It used to run Northampton to Bedford (not via Olney, which is the only place of any size in between), and then to St Neots and Cambridge.

It evolved into part of the Coachlinks network. Which way round the numbers X1, X2, and X3 were I can't remember, but the essence of it was that there were hourly coach services from Bedford to Cambridge, Luton, and Northampton. The timetable was arranged so that connections at Bedford were convenient if you needed to go between any pair of the distant places.

The Luton route is now the 81; it continued to Luton Airport for a while but without much success. The St Neots and Cambridge route was very similar to what became the X5, now 905; I seem to remember that at some point around 1990 there were extra journeys between Bedford and St Neots which then ran fast to Peterborough rather than going to Cambridge. Diverting the Northampton route to serve Olney came a bit later. I don't know the details, but before that I think there was a separate Bedford to Olney service which wasn't very frequent.
 

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The route number 128 was a while back, but yes indeed. It used to run Northampton to Bedford (not via Olney, which is the only place of any size in between), and then to St Neots and Cambridge.

It evolved into part of the Coachlinks network. Which way round the numbers X1, X2, and X3 were I can't remember, but the essence of it was that there were hourly coach services from Bedford to Cambridge, Luton, and Northampton. The timetable was arranged so that connections at Bedford were convenient if you needed to go between any pair of the distant places.

The Luton route is now the 81; it continued to Luton Airport for a while but without much success. The St Neots and Cambridge route was very similar to what became the X5, now 905; I seem to remember that at some point around 1990 there were extra journeys between Bedford and St Neots which then ran fast to Peterborough rather than going to Cambridge. Diverting the Northampton route to serve Olney came a bit later. I don't know the details, but before that I think there was a separate Bedford to Olney service which wasn't very frequent.
The 128 only ran about every two hours (with some extra weekday peak and Saturday journeys). The Bedford-Northampton section was very much in two separate sections - Lavendon-Bedford, whose residents looked towards Bedford, and Yardley Hastings to Northampton, whose residents looked towards Northampton. Outside of weekday peak and weekends, there were few passengers on the buses between Lavendon and Yardley Hastings.

These two sections were complimented by other services, 129 Northampton-Yardley-Olney-Newport and 130/1 Bedford-Lavendon-Olney-Newport and beyond. Together, the 128 and these routes offered approximately hourly service over each section. There were a few early and late journeys which ran as 129 from Northampton to Olney and the 130 from Olney to Bedford, and vice-versa, for historical operational reasons that we needn't go into here. There was also another local route, 133, from Bedford to Bromham Village, that went via Biddenham and then deep into Bromham, far from the 128 routeing on the A428.

So what changed? The character of the intermediate villages changed from the 60s to the 80s into affluent places with high car ownership and little need for buses. Education changes, particularly comprehensive schools and therefore common catchment areas, meant that Grammar School children no longer had bus passes to travel by service bus into the big town, but went in contract vehicles to village comprehensive schools. By a quirk of boundaries, Lavendon is in Buckinghamshire [but far in distance and character to Slough!] and in the Milton Keynes council area. The pull of the (then) new Milton Keynes employment and retail, both from Lavendon and the surrounding Beds and Northants villages meant that fewer journeys were being made to Bedford or Northampton.

In 1974 the 128 was operated mainly by crew operated Lodekkas (although some OMO VR types were also in use] and the journey from Bedford Bus Station to Northampton bus Station, via Bedford Midland Road Station took 59 minutes. Aside from the slightly longer route via Midland Road Station, the route followed the most direct road (A428) which was the main East-West commercial vehicle highway. It turned off into Yardley Hastings and Denton villages, both by-passed in early road improvements. It had to cross the narrow Bromham Bridge and encountered two roundabouts (Prebend St Bedford and Warrington Toll Bar), 2 or 3 sets of traffic lights and no traffic calming en-route. A pretty comfortable ride, as I recall.

Just look at it now - the 41 covers the 133,130/1 and 129 routes, and diverts via Biddenham, a serpentine route through Bromham Village and the long diversion via Olney and The Aspreys along bouncy rural roads. Yardley Hastings now is served from a by-pass stop and Little Houghton village has been by-passed without replacement. Denton is still gone round, even though it is extremely awkward with parked cars and narrow lanes. Bromham has been comprehensively by-passed, but the bus doesn't use most of that. How many roundabouts, traffic lights and traffic calming features now, traversed in a jerky, automatic bus being driven flat out to keep time, the passengers bounced around like peas in a pod? The overall journey time from Bedford to Northampton has increased to 1h25min. And we wonder why few want to use this bus nowadays?

Sadly, this scenario can be seen all over the country.
 
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Many routes, and evidently Bedford - Northampton is one, have been converted into what a former work colleague called Heineken routes (they "reach those parts other buses don't reach"), as a result of combining two or more routes into one to save money while at the same time trying to maintain a service to everywhere. The result often suits hardly anyone.
 

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The result often suits hardly anyone.
Then it gets withdrawn - what a surprise! Jack of all trades - master of none springs to mind.

It doesn't really matter - passengers from Bedford to Northampton or vice versa can go by train via Bletchley. Might even get the passengers on the Bedford-Bletchley line somewhere close to double figures per train.....
 

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By a quirk of boundaries, Lavendon is in Buckinghamshire [but far in distance and character to Slough!] and in the Milton Keynes council area. The pull of the (then) new Milton Keynes employment and retail, both from Lavendon and the surrounding Beds and Northants villages meant that fewer journeys were being made to Bedford or Northampton.
I'm not sure how far back you're going with these routes (I was familiar with them in the mid to late 90s when I went out with someone from Bromham) but Slough was in Berkshire from 1974 before becoming a unitary authority in 1998.
 

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I'm not sure how far back you're going with these routes (I was familiar with them in the mid to late 90s when I went out with someone from Bromham) but Slough was in Berkshire from 1974 before becoming a unitary authority in 1998.
I am talking the period 1970-80. Always struck me as incongruous that Lavendon and Slough were in the same county (esp. in that period when Lavendon was not such a well heeled commuter village, but Slough has long time been so industrial). It can also be hard to imagine the social and economic changes that have occurred in the area because of Milton Keynes, which in 1970 was just green fields mainly. The opening of MK Shopping Centre in ?1978
 

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Many routes, and evidently Bedford - Northampton is one, have been converted into what a former work colleague called Heineken routes (they "reach those parts other buses don't reach"), as a result of combining two or more routes into one to save money while at the same time trying to maintain a service to everywhere. The result often suits hardly anyone.
I would have thought there might be demand for a direct bus between Bedford and Northampton as they are sizeable towns without a sensible rail connection. But 1hr 25 minutes is going to rule that out and there’s probably not enough demand to support a really direct service. And neither council will want to support it as it is cross-boundary. So we will lose it, sadly.
 

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I would have thought there might be demand for a direct bus between Bedford and Northampton as they are sizeable towns without a sensible rail connection. But 1hr 25 minutes is going to rule that out and there’s probably not enough demand to support a really direct service. And neither council will want to support it as it is cross-boundary. So we will lose it, sadly.

But there isn't demand precisely because they are sizeable towns, 20 miles apart - be it shopping, leisure, education, there is no compelling reason to travel from one to the other - they are "self sufficient" in that sense. So apart from a few commuters and people travelling to visit family / friends there isn't any other demand.

I suspect there are two specific flows on the current route - between Northampton and Olney (and vice versa) and between Bedford and Olney (and vice versa).
 
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But there isn't demand precisely because they are sizeable towns, 20 miles apart - be it shopping, leisure, education, there is no compelling reason to travel from one to the other - they are "self sufficient" in that sense. So apart from a few commuters and people travelling to visit family / friends there isn't any other demand.

I suspect there are two specific flows on the current route - between Northampton and Olney (and vice versa) and between Bedford and Olney (and vice versa).

Though there is no harm in interworking those two so as to provide a basic through service for the few who want it.
 

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Though there is no harm in interworking those two so as to provide a basic through service for the few who want it.

It would make more sense as I posted earlier to extend through to Milton Keynes, people from the intermediate villages between Northampton and Olney are *far* more likely to want to go to MK than Bedford.
 
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Though there is no harm in interworking those two so as to provide a basic through service for the few who want it.
No harm in it, however the constituent parts are not viable on their own, and the 'overhead' traffic is not sufficient to make the difference. As @A0wen says, the 'pull' is more likely to be Milton Keynes nowadays (although I doubt there is sufficient business in the intermediate villages, other than Bromham, to justify much of a bus service at all nowadays?)
 
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First Leicester have announced they are ceasing service 12 to Park Rise from 24th April.

This route has been operating for at least 20+ years in various routes and was at one point (around 2008) a 10 minute service via Glenfield Road although it was last changed in 2016 to serve parts of New Parks estate as a 30 minute service then reduced to an hourly service.


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First Worcester have announced changes to services from 1st May.

Link also confirms the cutting of service 144 to Birmingham with it running between Catshill and Worcester only.


these changes must reduce the PVR (peak vehicle requirement) by quite a few?
 
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I can't say I'm too surprised by the 144 as I recall taking it out of Birmingham one Sunday afternoon in November and it carrying nobody else as far as the Catshill area. Even the driver seemed a bit startled to see me!
 

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Big cuts in Worcester. 31 and 37 withdrawn entirely, 44 reduced again from x20 to x30, plus the 144.
 

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Big cuts in Worcester. 31 and 37 withdrawn entirely, 44 reduced again from x20 to x30, plus the 144.
The 31/37 look to be a total PVR of 3 - probably more work on tender for LMS.

The biggest cut is really the 44 on Sundays meaning that there are no buses from Worcester to Great Malvern on that trunk route. Perversely, you can still catch a bus to Great Malvern from Ledbury courtesy of Herefordshire Council's recently introduced Sunday services (which seem mainly to be a waste of money)
 
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