Class 365 scrap movements + preservation discussion

[87electric]

506 at Peterborough for the last time. I miss those drunken late nights back from the Cross on them.

 

[dan4291]

Saw this go past Ferme Park this morning, thought it was an unusual consist indeed! Sad to see the 365s go, remember riding on them in the Connex South Eastern days into London Victoria. Rest in Pieces

 

[J burge]

365506 at Newport Usk bridge on its final journey with 2 x 37 diesels and 5 x barrier wagons and poor 365 in the middle

 

[richardcoughla]

365506 at Newport Usk bridge on its final journey with 2 x 37 diesels and 5 x barrier wagons and poor 365 in the middleView attachment 113644

I'm really going to miss those units smiling to the very end

 

[Southern Dvr]

Can see the brake pipe running through the train so it must have been properly knackered!

 

[YSTrains]

About the Preserved 365, were there any changes to it I.e. is the motor still there.

 

[brad465]

About the Preserved 365, were there any changes to it I.e. is the motor still there.

Of the 3 preserved carriages, there is no pantograph one among them, so there currently is no power source available.

 

[Geeves]

I think you could swap out 'currently' for permanently, I would say its 98% likely a 365 will never run on the mainline again sadly.

 

[Ewan M]

I think you could swap out 'currently' for permanently, I would say its 98% likely a 365 will never run on the mainline again sadly

There’ll never be a 365 on the mainline anymore sadly. Given that all the pantograph coaches are now scrapped

 

[gmaguire]

Of the 3 preserved carriages, there is no pantograph one among them, so there currently is no power source available.

Could the shoegear from a 465 be fitted?

 

[swt_passenger]

Could the shoegear from a 465 be fitted?

It would be far easier to preserve a 465 if that was wanted, surely?

 

[gmaguire]

It would be far easier to preserve a 465 if that was wanted, surely?

But that wouldn’t be a 365

 

[Class360/1]

True, but the main bodyshell is very similar

Back on topic, it is a massive shame a full 365 set was not preserved

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

But that wouldn’t be a 365

Respectfully, who cares? They’re both almost the same really, if anything the 465 is more authentic as it hasn’t had the huge alterations to the front. Not that I think any example of a Networker is worth preserving.

 

[43102EMR]

According to someone on Twitter, 541 was merely moved out of the way as opposed to being scrapped - not sure how true this is though?

 

[365 Networker]

Could the shoegear from a 465 be fitted?

Probably not, as I believe essential equipment was contained in the pantograph coach - without it the train can not run.

According to someone on Twitter, 541 was merely moved out of the way as opposed to being scrapped - not sure how true this is though?

Perhaps it is going to be moved by road somewhere, hopefully to preservation (being the last unit built in york), although I suspect it will end up scrapped unfortunately.

 

[43102EMR]

Perhaps it is going to be moved by road somewhere, hopefully to preservation (being the last unit built in york), although I suspect it will end up scrapped unfortunately.

I hope so, but yes wouldn’t be surprised if it was - apparently where it is is quite out of the way of the cutting area, so who knows?

 

[StephenHunter]

How many units are there for scrapping?

 

[skyhigh]

How many units are there for scrapping?

They've all gone now (bar 3 vehicles in semi-preservation)

 

[StephenHunter]

They've all gone now (bar 3 vehicles in semi-preservation)

Sorry, I meant in total sitting at Sims waiting cutting up. Is the modern day Barry Scrapyard or are they getting through them quickly?

 

[Mamorin]

Sorry, I meant in total sitting at Sims waiting cutting up. Is the modern day Barry Scrapyard or are they getting through them quickly?

Don’t you meen how many are left at Booths? Sims cuts up rolling stock they get very quickly after they get them. It’s Booths that takes a while to cut up stock.

Won’t be any left at Sims I don’t think, and other than 365541 I’m not sure they are any others left at Booths as most 365s were sent to Sims.

Sims is not and I don’t think has ever been like Barry Scrapyard.

 

[Green tractor]

Don’t you meen how many are left at Booths? Sims cuts up rolling stock they get very quickly after they get them. It’s Booths that takes a while to cut up stock.

Won’t be any left at Sims I don’t think, and other than 365541 I’m not sure they are any others left at Booths as most 365s were sent to Sims.

Sims is not and I don’t think has ever been like Barry Scrapyard.

There are only 2 sidings at SIMS. if it doesn't get scrapped almost straight away, it gets dragged off the rails by grab and thrown to one side to await scrapping.

 

[Mamorin]

Thanks for that information, I had no idea quite how sims worked in terms of scrapping rolling stock. All I knew was how fast sims scraps rolling stock.

 

[D365]

Back on topic, it is a massive shame a full 365 set was not preserved

Really? I was expecting one driving motor to be saved at most. With three coaches saved, I’m more than happy.

 

[Southern Dvr]

I don’t know 365s from an operations point of view, so without a pantograph coach can the unit (highly unlikely I know) operate on the third rail as a 3 car? Is there more than just the pantograph on that vehicle?

 

[YSTrains]

So are the motors still in tact? I wonder if the LED destination board will be used.

 

[driverd]

Back on topic, it is a massive shame a full 365 set was not preserved

So, I'm curious - why?

They were just another commuter unit - nothing overly special about them. They're not especially historically interesting, they're not antiquated in a way that, say, a DMMU (or to a lesser extent a pacer) is. Could you imagine the head scratching if a 365 rocked up (hauled or otherwise) at a preserved railway...

The issue with them, as I see it, is that because they had a short life on the mainline, they look and feel relatively modern - like a slightly older 700 (with tables). I can't see any preservation value in that, and indeed, can't imagine it'd be historically interesting for atleast another 20 years or so.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Respectfully, who cares? They’re both almost the same really, if anything the 465 is more authentic as it hasn’t had the huge alterations to the front. Not that I think any example of a Networker is worth preserving.

Respectfully why don’t you think an example of a networker is worth preserving? Because it was “just” a commuter train?

 

[Class360/1]

So, I'm curious - why?

They were just another commuter unit - nothing overly special about them. They're not especially historically interesting, they're not antiquated in a way that, say, a DMMU (or to a lesser extent a pacer) is. Could you imagine the head scratching if a 365 rocked up (hauled or otherwise) at a preserved railway...

The issue with them, as I see it, is that because they had a short life on the mainline, they look and feel relatively modern - like a slightly older 700 (with tables). I can't see any preservation value in that, and indeed, can't imagine it'd be historically interesting for atleast another 20 years or so.

I know they were a commuter unit, but they had so much character, as well as being historically important, for reasons mentioned in previous posts.

 

[ScotRail158725]

They were just another commuter unit - nothing overly special about them. They're not especially historically interesting, they're not antiquated in a way that, say, a DMMU (or to a lesser extent a pacer) is. Could you imagine the head scratching if a 365 rocked up (hauled or otherwise) at a preserved railway...

I think all railway types are historically interesting, they’ve all played important roles in making the way the railway is today, to varying extents. In an ideal world it would be good to have a class of each train kept going in preservation or in some usable way