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A career as a signaller

KendalR

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I’m a bit of a sucker for overtime. Does anybody know if you can work your roster days as OT as well as the 2 Sunday’s you get allocated? (I’ve been told I’ll be working 12’s so that would equate to roughly 2 roster days and a Sunday per week, on average) - I’m used to working shifts so it’s no issue to me.

Does anybody here work on the Guide Bridge line / area that might be able to give me a bit of an insight in to how the box operates (leavers ect) and if there’s any future plans to close this area and move it in to the ROC? - I’m only asking this as on previous posts there seems to be a few queries around box closures, so i just wanted to see if this may affect me at some point.

Last question - this might seem like a daft question so I apologise in advance - what do you wear while your working? I’ve heard there’s no set uniform. So would a pair of jeans, shirt and a pair of trainers be ok? Or have i got this wrong?

Thanks

Just to clarify Sunday's are not part of the working week but are classed as rostered overtime - if you are working 12 hour shifts you'll be rostered to work 14 shifts over a 28 day period. So a week including a Sunday would be 4 x 12 hour shifts in total, a week without Sundays 3 x 12 hour shifts.

Overtime can be worked on your rest days as long as you do not work more than 72 hours in a rolling 7 day period. This will be reduced to a maximum of 60 hours in January. So maximum of 5 x 12 hour shifts in a rolling 7 day period. Sundays are paid at 1.5x your hourly rate and other overtime not on a bank holiday at 1.25x your hourly rate. Overtime isn't always guaranteed though and works on a equalisation method so in theory everyone should roughly get offered the same.

Bank holidays - if you are rostered to work you can choose either higher rate or pay (2.5x normal hourly rate) or lower rate of pay (1.5 normal hourly rate and a day to be taken off in lieu). Working a Bank Holiday on your rest day you can add 0.25x your hourly rate on to the method of pay you choose (Don't quote me on that but pretty sure it is that rate). Christmas and New Year are different and are generally agreed each year with the union.

Also as you are only contracted to work 35 hours a week and you will be working 36, you will have an additional rest day on average every 12 weeks - sometimes you are offered to work it depending on relief spare availability and equalisation as mentioned above.

I'm not so sure about the Guide Bridge area other than Guide Bridge itself is controlled by Manchester East Signalling Centre so can't really answer your questions on that front.

Uniform is provided, consists of boots, navy blue cargo pants and NR branded polo shirt/t-shirt plus fleece/gilet. If you want to wear it or not is generally up to you. The only thing to be expected of you is wearing a hi-vis if the walking route instructions require it.
 
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KendalR just read your post and wondered about the 60 hours coming in in January has that changed as I thought it started in October
 

KendalR

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KendalR just read your post and wondered about the 60 hours coming in in January has that changed as I thought it started in October
Got an extension from ORR so it ties in with annual leave calendar for everyone.
 

Paul88

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Just to clarify Sunday's are not part of the working week but are classed as rostered overtime - if you are working 12 hour shifts you'll be rostered to work 14 shifts over a 28 day period. So a week including a Sunday would be 4 x 12 hour shifts in total, a week without Sundays 3 x 12 hour shifts.

Overtime can be worked on your rest days as long as you do not work more than 72 hours in a rolling 7 day period. This will be reduced to a maximum of 60 hours in January. So maximum of 5 x 12 hour shifts in a rolling 7 day period. Sundays are paid at 1.5x your hourly rate and other overtime not on a bank holiday at 1.25x your hourly rate. Overtime isn't always guaranteed though and works on a equalisation method so in theory everyone should roughly get offered the same.

Bank holidays - if you are rostered to work you can choose either higher rate or pay (2.5x normal hourly rate) or lower rate of pay (1.5 normal hourly rate and a day to be taken off in lieu). Working a Bank Holiday on your rest day you can add 0.25x your hourly rate on to the method of pay you choose (Don't quote me on that but pretty sure it is that rate). Christmas and New Year are different and are generally agreed each year with the union.

Also as you are only contracted to work 35 hours a week and you will be working 36, you will have an additional rest day on average every 12 weeks - sometimes you are offered to work it depending on relief spare availability and equalisation as mentioned above.

I'm not so sure about the Guide Bridge area other than Guide Bridge itself is controlled by Manchester East Signalling Centre so can't really answer your questions on that front.

Uniform is provided, consists of boots, navy blue cargo pants and NR branded polo shirt/t-shirt plus fleece/gilet. If you want to wear it or not is generally up to you. The only thing to be expected of you is wearing a hi-vis if the walking route instructions require it.
That’s great, thank you.
 

Ronnie215

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My job offer says I have been recruited into an area, not a specific box. I start training soon and still no further Information. Anyone know anything about this?
 

Kraken

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My job offer says I have been recruited into an area, not a specific box. I start training soon and still no further Information. Anyone know anything about this?

Have you got contact details for your manager (LOM)? They will be able to clarify any of this stuff far better than we can.

There were people on my signalling school 18 months or so ago that did not have specific boxes to go to so had to apply for boxes whilst at signalling school. They all got jobs in the end so nothing to worry about.
 

Ronnie215

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Have you got contact details for your manager (LOM)? They will be able to clarify any of this stuff far better than we can.

There were people on my signalling school 18 months or so ago that did not have specific boxes to go to so had to apply for boxes whilst at signalling school. They all got jobs in the end so nothing to worry about.
 
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. Overtime isn't always guaranteed though and works on a equalisation method so in theory everyone should roughly get offered the same.
Sorry to intrude on the signaller’s thread again but not all areas use equalisation for deciding who should be offered OT, some areas have other arrangements by Local or Area Council agreement.
 

ollieplo1

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Hello, I’ve just passed the first written assessment at signalling school. Week 7 coming up. Just wanted advice on what the second final written assessment is like compared to the 1st.
 
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Casey_Jones

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In the current system I think if you can survive the info nightmare that is week 5 and get through your exam then you'll be fine for the rest of the course. Don't get me wrong, week 7 is also mega intense and some week 10 exam papers are a lot harder than others.
 

Nemo01

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Hello, I’ve just passed the first written assessment at signalling school. Week 7 coming up. Just wanted advice on what the second final written assessment is like compared to the 1st.
Very similar, just different topics covered
 

High Dyke

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My job offer says I have been recruited into an area, not a specific box. I start training soon and still no further Information. Anyone know anything about this?
As I understand it, certainly from my own area, you may be recruited into a LOM area, rather than a specific location. We've currently got a couple of trainees in that situation. You will be expected to apply for vacant positions in that area, though the LOM may already have a forthcoming vacancy in mind for you to fill.
 

SkyGod

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Research the key geographical areas for your signal box. Areas of control, main stations, TOCs and FOCs that operate, method of signalling.

Good luck with the interview.
So I've applied for a Grade 2 signalling role in the Rufford, Wigan & Whitehaven Areas. I've so far passed through all the various stages, I did a signaller scenario assessment last weekend and have my competency interview booked for mid week. I think I've well prepared for this, I have multiple answers covering the various NTS, I have prepared answers as to why I want to be a signaller/work for Network Rail etc, but these points you mention (geographical areas for your signal box. Areas of control, main stations, TOCs and FOCs that operate, method of signalling), are throwing me a little. Rail isn't something I yet know much about and I'm simply struggling to find answers to these points.

Any advice on where best to look for answers?
 

ShebQ

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So I've applied for a Grade 2 signalling role in the Rufford, Wigan & Whitehaven Areas. I've so far passed through all the various stages, I did a signaller scenario assessment last weekend and have my competency interview booked for mid week. I think I've well prepared for this, I have multiple answers covering the various NTS, I have prepared answers as to why I want to be a signaller/work for Network Rail etc, but these points you mention (geographical areas for your signal box. Areas of control, main stations, TOCs and FOCs that operate, method of signalling), are throwing me a little. Rail isn't something I yet know much about and I'm simply struggling to find answers to these points.

Any advice on where best to look for answers?
From my current experience in an interview with NR - they won’t ask you specifics regarding the role more as what you mentioned above^^ I wouldn’t worry about the terminology’s ect especially if you’ve applied as an external candidate

Interview is designed for you to show/explain your experiences and what you would do in such scenarios
The questions are more , why is it important for a signaller to remain calm ect
Apposed to what would a signaller do in this scenario what process would you follow ect

As long as you have incorporated the NTS’s in your example you’ll be able to answer each question

Best of luck! I’m still waiting for my feedback fingers crossed !
 

KlichBate

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So I've applied for a Grade 2 signalling role in the Rufford, Wigan & Whitehaven Areas. I've so far passed through all the various stages, I did a signaller scenario assessment last weekend and have my competency interview booked for mid week. I think I've well prepared for this, I have multiple answers covering the various NTS, I have prepared answers as to why I want to be a signaller/work for Network Rail etc, but these points you mention (geographical areas for your signal box. Areas of control, main stations, TOCs and FOCs that operate, method of signalling), are throwing me a little. Rail isn't something I yet know much about and I'm simply struggling to find answers to these points.

Any advice on where best to look for answers?
Had my interview in February for an "area" and not a specific location. Didn't get asked about any of those topics. All generic questions covering NTS, role of a signaller, Network Rail and Safety vision.
 

Rockhopper

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So if you go in talking about methods of signalling and so on and their next question is explain how absolute block works and you are snookered!
 

ShebQ

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So if you go in talking about methods of signalling and so on and their next question is explain how absolute block works and you are snookered!
I don’t think you’ll be getting any technical based skill related questions as an external candidate.

Through experience has been all non technical
 

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That’s my point though - if you start talking about technical aspects then they will ask further questions to explore your knowledge (or lack of). Stay away from it trying to look clever or you will get caught out.
 

MaisDxx

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Hi, I have my interview for grade 2 signaller mid week and I am nervous/excited for it! I have researched all of the NTS and got decent examples for them, using the STAR method. I am just reading up on the safety vision now- is there any specifics I need to know of it? Like the 10 lifesaving rules for example.
Thanks!
 

WoollyMammoth

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So I've applied for a Grade 2 signalling role in the Rufford, Wigan & Whitehaven Areas. I've so far passed through all the various stages, I did a signaller scenario assessment last weekend and have my competency interview booked for mid week. I think I've well prepared for this, I have multiple answers covering the various NTS, I have prepared answers as to why I want to be a signaller/work for Network Rail etc, but these points you mention (geographical areas for your signal box. Areas of control, main stations, TOCs and FOCs that operate, method of signalling), are throwing me a little. Rail isn't something I yet know much about and I'm simply struggling to find answers to these points.

Any advice on where best to look for answers?
It sounds like you’ve prepared well. I’m not suggesting that you should go into too much depth or that the questions and answers should be too technical however it’s undeniable that if you can answer “What do you know about Network Rail/ the role etc” and you can add in a few specifics about your position then you might stand out compared to other candidates. As an example if you mentioned that ‘Gatestown’ looks after passengers trains from Midwestern Railway and freight from United Kingdom Rail Freight and is responsible for stations starting at Downham to the East and Upham to the West and is controlled by a lever frame signal box using track circuit block systems you might stand out compared to someone who simply says ‘I don’t know’. If the follow up question is ‘Tell me about track circuit block/ AB etc’ then your simple response is that you are looking forward to learning about it as part of the in-depth training course you will go on. You cannot be expected to have those answers but the fact that you’ve put a little bit of research into some specifics might help you.

In terms of general geographic questions, you could search on this forum as someone may have stated areas of control etc. You can use traksy, open train times and abc railway guide.

Don’t spend too much time but a few hours might be the difference. Take the advice or leave it, totally up to you!

Hi, I have my interview for grade 2 signaller mid week and I am nervous/excited for it! I have researched all of the NTS and got decent examples for them, using the STAR method. I am just reading up on the safety vision now- is there any specifics I need to know of it? Like the 10 lifesaving rules for example.
Thanks!
Yes it would be worth knowing at least a couple of the lifesaving rules so you can use them as examples of why they are important. Everyone home safe, every day would be useful to mention. Also for you to explain why safety is important for Network Rail.
 

KieranG110

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Hi,

I had my interview for a grade 2 position the other week. It went well, but unfortunately I wasn't chosen. They've said that I'm now in a shortlist for a position if something comes up.

Can anyone tell me the likelihood of being offered a position if you're on a shortlist?
I was a little bit disappointed at first but Im going to be positive and keep my eye out for available jobs that arise in my area.
 

starlight

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@KieranG110 Sorry to hear that as you seemed like you did well. Have you asked for feedback? How soon did you hear back, was it a call or an email?

Hoping something comes up for you! :smile:
 

Simotrfc

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Hi,

I had my interview for a grade 2 position the other week. It went well, but unfortunately I wasn't chosen. They've said that I'm now in a shortlist for a position if something comes up.

Can anyone tell me the likelihood of being offered a position if you're on a shortlist?
I was a little bit disappointed at first but Im going to be positive and keep my eye out for available jobs that arise in my area.
A few people on here have been on the reserve list and called up. It sounds like it’s not uncommon at all.
 

KieranG110

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@KieranG110 Sorry to hear that as you seemed like you did well. Have you asked for feedback? How soon did you hear back, was it a call or an email?

Hoping something comes up for you! :smile:
I haven't asked for any feedback yet but I think I will ask for it.

I received an email on the day of the interview saying I was in the top few and had passed all assesments. The email said that they had a few more interviews the following week and I found out 8 days after my interview.

I'm trying to keep positive about it all as I've seen plenty of people on here be unsuccessful the first attempt.

Thank you!
 

CB 1-2-1

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Can anybody help with the current set up for the Lancing Crossing Keeper, Signallers and the current shift patterns? Also, where are the 2 signallers and the crossing keeper located? I'm guessing in the box on lancing level crossing???
 

ArkUTD

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Similar to me my last attempt was in march last year! Was soo gutted but didn’t let that stop me ..

Defo will let you know! Keep me updated also! Best of luck and wish you the best! Hope it’s good news for us
I was told to expect a answer in 2 weeks (from today, was 3 weeks from last week when i had my interview), so if you've not got a rejection, hopefully good news, or even a reserve list.
 

starlight

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I was told to expect a answer in 2 weeks (from today, was 3 weeks from last week when i had my interview), so if you've not got a rejection, hopefully good news, or even a reserve list.
Hi there, Did you apply for the G6 WMSC role then and assuming from your message; you had an interview last Monday? Have you heard back?
 

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