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If you're driving and have an accident, many people will go "wasn't my fault, it was the vehicle" Unless they've done a full inspection of the vehicle (which they won't have in the time) it's not possible to say it's the vehicle and not the driver. The police simply won't take the driver at their word and not press any charges.
It will, I'm sure, become clear what happened, but it's too early at this stage to say it's entirely mechanical.
 
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The article says ‘no offences disclosed’. That doesn’t mean there weren’t any! It means the police are probably still investigating. Alternatively the driver could have suffered a medical incident.

The article also said no one needed medical attention so the driver didn't need to be checked over by a paramedic and the police would almost certainly noticed if someone involved in an accident wasn't fit to drive due to medication they were taking. The police would almost certainly have breathalysed and interviewed the driver of the vehicle.

But none of us on here have the evidence to jump to conclusions and make potentially libellous statements with no foundation about the company, the driver, or the vehicle.

Drivers employed by D&G have reported that they've raised concerns with management over how frequently vehicles they are allocated develop faults. Following a moderator's request I've also given evidence of how frequently buses are removed from passenger service mid-journey due to vehicle faults. Other people have posted in this thread about observing faults or damage on a D&G vehicle they are travelling on. There is evidence vehicles in the D&G Bus fleet are not being maintained as well as they could be.

If you're driving and have an accident, many people will go "wasn't my fault, it was the vehicle" Unless they've done a full inspection of the vehicle (which they won't have in the time) it's not possible to say it's the vehicle and not the driver. The police simply won't take the driver at their word and not press any charges.
It will, I'm sure, become clear what happened, but it's too early at this stage to say it's entirely mechanical.

It is possible a driver could take the wrong course of action in response to a fault with the steering or braking. After all it's something they wouldn't normally encounter and would probably panic in such a situation.

Not that long ago close to me, there was an accident involving a car going on the pavement and hitting a lamppost and crashing in to a car on a driveway, opposite a junction. I think you can guess what happened and the driver admitted to accidentally hitting the accelerator instead of the brake. No need for an investigation, the relevant parties could bill the driver for the damage caused.
 
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It is possible a driver could take the wrong course of action in response to a fault with the steering or braking. After all it's something they wouldn't normally encounter and would probably panic in such a situation.
That is possible. Although that would also be the drivers fault. Bus drivers are trained professionals and are expected to respond correctly to any situation. Of course there would also (but not instead of) be a case to answer from the bus company.
If this were the case the police would still be examining the bus too so wouldn't comment on cause. All things considered, as the police disclosed nothing to the paper, I don't think we should speculate. I certainly don't think it means the driver has been discovered to be totally blameless at this stage. That may come later, but it's simply too early to say at the moment.
 

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In the absence of any further information, we should probably park this particular discussion for now. Wild speculation isn't very helpful.

I would also like to re-iterate that if anyone is making any claims or assertions, a reference and a quote to back up those claims is concerned.
 

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I thought High Peak cancelled the 14? It seems to be that they are still operating them as usual. That’s a good thing of course, but I’m confused.
 

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I thought High Peak cancelled the 14? It seems to be that they are still operating them as usual. That’s a good thing of course, but I’m confused.
There is no update on their website about it being cancelled, even given the recent service changes.

Looking at the registration history on bustimes, it looks as though a previous registration was cancelled this week (https://bustimes.org/registrations/PC0001086/60), but the service was re-registered back in February (https://bustimes.org/registrations/PC0001086/96).

Centrebus group companies routinely deregister services when they come up for tender renewal, or, noting that the service went from fully commercial to part subsidised, it could have been an error, now corrected. Alternatively, they could have deregistered the service and then got the extra funding so it was then reregistered as a new application, rather than a variation. As I posted in the services in peril thread (now moved to S106 funding), the Traffic Commissioners are behind in processing registrations submitted on paper, and this could be a very delayed publication of a cancellation submitted earlier in the year (a service local to me had a variation published almost an entire calendar later, almost as though it got processed but missed, and they only caught up with it when the next variation went in).

Notices & Proceedings can be a very useful tool at times, but isn't always the most reliable place to get information that isn't confirmed elsewhere!
 

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I think High Peak's plan to cancel the 14 coincide with their plan to end subcontracting the 19 to D&G and to run the 19 at a reduced frequency instead. So one needed to go ahead for the other to go ahead.

I'm pretty sure the 14 is commercial. It's just a short little circular that they could make a bit of money on instead of leaving buses sat around doing nothing between services.
 

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I think High Peak's plan to cancel the 14 coincide with their plan to end subcontracting the 19 to D&G and to run the 19 at a reduced frequency instead. So one needed to go ahead for the other to go ahead.

I'm pretty sure the 14 is commercial. It's just a short little circular that they could make a bit of money on instead of leaving buses sat around doing nothing between services.
If you check my second link (the one ending in /96), you'll clearly see the 14 is now registered as partially subsidised. It is also listed as such on the Cheshire East website, where the last change date coincides with that new February registration.

As long as the registration ending /96 remains as it does, there is no evidence of any cancellation at present.
 

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Some photos shared on a news site from the D&G Bus crash.

There's a claim the accelerator got jammed but D&G won't comment on it

Over the weekend a bus crashed into a row of parked cars on a Crewe street narrowly missing children - Crewe Nub News investigates what exactly happened

On Saturday (June 18) at approximately 5pm, Cheshire Police attended to reports of a bus crash on Alton Street.

What happened and who was involved?​



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The D&G bus about to crash into the final two parked cars on Alton Street - narrowly missing children (CCTV).


A red D&G bus heading from Alton Street towards Queens Park lost control - hitting three parked cars and a parked van.

When hitting the cars, the bus narrowly avoided three children on bikes gathered outside an Alton Street property.

The final two cars hit were the ones that knocked out of position the most.

One ended up in the middle of the road and the other was knocked into a lamp post.

The bus came to a holt on the pavement - narrowly avoiding the three children on bikes.



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A vauxhall car, one of the four vehicles damaged in the bus crash (Cheshire Police).


Thankfully, there were no reports of any injuries after the incident.

What have Cheshire Police said?​

A spokesperson for Cheshire Police told Nub News today (June 22): "At 4.53pm on Saturday (18 June), police were called to reports of a collision on Alton Street, Crewe.

"Officers attended and found a bus had collided with four parked cars before coming to a stop on the pavement.

"A number of children were in the area at the time but thankfully there were no reports of any injuries.



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The van, one of the four vehicles damaged in the crush bus crash (Cheshire Police).


"The road was closed while the damaged vehicles were removed from the scene.

"The driver of the bus was shaken as a result of the incident. No arrests have been made."

What caused the bus crash?​

A Local resident has said that the bus had its accelerator stuck - causing the incident.

Gina Elder posted on social media, saying: "So it turns out, as it was just outside my mum's house, that a bus unfortunately had its accelerator stock on.



A D&G bus at Crewe bus station today - June 22. D&G are still investigating the incident on Alton Street (ryan Parker).


"It plowed into parked cars."

D&G has said a full investigation is taking place and no further comment will be made until all the facts are established.

The story seems to have gone viral and has been included in an ITV News reel, aimed at younger viewers.
 
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Apologies if not quite on topic and if I’ve missed the post, but has something happened to a number of buses at Arriva North West as there’s a fleet list saying they’re either scrapped, destroyed or written off including 3162 (MX14 HRR) and 4693 (YX17 NFH)?
 
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Apologies if not quite on topic and if I’ve missed the post, but has something happened to a number of buses at Arriva North West as there’s a fleet list saying they’re either scrapped, destroyed or written off including 3162 (MX14 HRR) and 4693 (YX17 NFH)?

3162 & 4693 are tracking on bus times. Where did you see the information about this fleet list?
 

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691 is now at Arriva Winsford depot, on loan from Arriva Wales

Anyone know why part of the A537 is shut at Monks Heath? It appears that the 130 & 88 are diverting via Jodrell Bank.
 
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691 is now at Arriva Winsford depot, on loan from Arriva Wales

Anyone know why part of the A537 is shut at Monks Heath? It appears that the 130 & 88 are diverting via Jodrell Bank.
The AA traffic website ( https://www.theaa.com/route-planner/traffic-news ) states that:

the A537 Road is closed due to construction during off-peak periods on A537 Chelford Road both ways between A34 Congleton Road (Monks Heath Crossroads) and Birtles Lane. Wall repairs following an earlier accident.

There was an accident 1 week ago at this point where a car had turned on its side.
 
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Arriva North West strike action starts tomorrow, affecting services from Winsford & Macclesfield depots. The only services running are Macclesfield Locals. (3,4,5,6,9,10)
 
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Arriva North West strike action starts tomorrow, affecting services from Winsford & Macclesfield depots. The only services running are Macclesfield Locals & Locals around Crewe, Winsford & Northwich.

38 not running but Arriva tickets accepted on the D&G service. An unusual move when there's competition but good for passengers.
 

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38 not running but Arriva tickets accepted on the D&G service. An unusual move when there's competition but good for passengers.
I honestly think D&G don’t care about the 38 anymore. There are 4 vehicles allocated to the route throughout the day and pretty much every day, only 2 or 3 run. Meaning there can be a 2, 3 hour gap between services
 

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Arriva North West strike action starts tomorrow, affecting services from Winsford & Macclesfield depots. The only services running are Macclesfield Locals. (3,4,5,6,9,10)

Do wonder how they have managed to get the locals in Macclesfield running over the strike period.
 

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Do wonder how they have managed to get the locals in Macclesfield running over the strike period.
It’s because only 3 drivers from Macclesfield are part of the Union. So 3 are therefore striking, so with Macclesfield Depot 38 being cut, they have enough drivers to run the locals.
 

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It’s because only 3 drivers from Macclesfield are part of the Union. So 3 are therefore striking, so with Macclesfield Depot 38 being cut, they have enough drivers to run the locals.

Interesting, I was sure that Winsford Depot only had around 90% of drivers in the union the last time the strike happened, but this must of changed. Certainly a few bemused passengers in Crewe this morning.
 

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Interesting, I was sure that Winsford Depot only had around 90% of drivers in the union the last time the strike happened, but this must of changed. Certainly a few bemused passengers in Crewe this morning.
I must admit, it wasn’t well advertised, Ansa Transport only put out posters around Cheshire’s bus stations on Sunday.

Some Arriva drivers are still coming into work, but they won’t be driving buses, they’ll be doing maintenance work, cleaning etc.
 

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I must admit, it wasn’t well advertised, Ansa Transport only put out posters around Cheshire’s bus stations on Sunday.

Some Arriva drivers are still coming into work, but they won’t be driving buses, they’ll be doing maintenance work, cleaning etc.

Agree with that one! Cheshire West haven't put anything out as far as i'm aware - i've been posting in relevant facebook groups advising people. I'm glad that i can get a lift from Middlewich so can rely on the 42 D&G from Crewe or the 38 to Sandbach for a lift. Otherwise it would mean getting the train, and that's a big increase in cost over the bus.
 

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It seems over in Greater Manchester, Little Gem are running emergency replacements for the TfGM contracted services.

In the Northwich area - Rudheath, Castle and Greenbank are still served by the D&G 82 (hourly), Winnington and Barnton are covered by the CAT9A (2 hourly) but Weaverham is covered by the 48 (5 buses per day). So most of the villages still have something but it's a much poorer service than usual, especially in the case of Weaverham which has a last bus back from town at 16:45.

It’s because only 3 drivers from Macclesfield are part of the Union. So 3 are therefore striking, so with Macclesfield Depot 38 being cut, they have enough drivers to run the locals.

Not being in a union doesn't prevent you joining a strike, while being in a union doesn't require you to go on strike. Though, it's probably true to say most union members will join a walk out and most non-union members will not.
 

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This strike means places such as Winsford & Tarporley have no bus service at all. And the last bus from Macclesfield to Crewe is at 17:45 and 16:15 the other way, with a Congleton-bound one at 17:15 ran by D&G

In fact the last bus in the Cheshire East borough is the 20:37 bus from Bollington to Macclesfield.

Surely both sets of councils need to find ways to provide alternative solutions. Even if most services are commercially ran.
 

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Surely both sets of councils need to find ways to provide alternative solutions. Even if most services are commercially ran.

Same could be said with rail strikes. The reason some villages are deemed not to need a bus is because they have a train. If they have no train, then they have no public transport.
 

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I can't see this dragging on more much more than a week hopefully. Someone is probably working on something right now - hopefully it doesn't last as long as the 5 week Arriva Yorkshire strike.
 

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Same could be said with rail strikes. The reason some villages are deemed not to need a bus is because they have a train. If they have no train, then they have no public transport.
In that case, I think Tarporley is the only village at the moment with no public transport at all, there are no buses running, no train station & too far away from anywhere to consider getting a taxi.
 

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In that case, I think Tarporley is the only village at the moment with no public transport at all, there are no buses running, no train station & too far away from anywhere to consider getting a taxi.

One could consider walking 2 miles to Tiverton for the twice daily number 70 to Nantwich by D&G :lol:
 

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In that case, I think Tarporley is the only village at the moment with no public transport at all, there are no buses running, no train station & too far away from anywhere to consider getting a taxi.

The lack of a Winsford to Northwich link is still significant though.
 
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