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RELL6L

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172 to terminate at Tesco. 379 runs every 30 minutes to provide a service from Paulton to both Bath and Bristol.
376 and 379 double the frequency from Bristol to White Cross to every 15 minutes, Overkill?
Is the 379 every 30 minutes? I took it to be hourly to make 4 buses per hour into Bath with the 172, 173 and 174. So does this mean that Farmborough and High Littleton on the 178 lose all their service (bar a college bus on the 349)?

The loss of the 126 is terrible. Ideally there will be a high profile campaign to save it due to its effect on several villages. Will try and get a trip on it again before it goes if I can. I struggle to see how this can be justified.
 
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I also have memories of the 126 from when I did work experience at Weston-super-Mare library while a 6th Form pupil at Sidcot: it went just at the right time for me to get to Weston for, IIRC, 2pm. I also have memories of the 120 & 121 which used to be my means of getting to (and, for my final 3 years, from) Bristol while at that school: the bus that the school laid on was £6 per day but the 120 & 121 were always cheaper.

Anyway back to topic. In terms of replacements for the 126 between Locking and Weston-super-Mare it seems to me, from the route map on First's website, that the 51 (which I have never used) does not serve Locking or not. However it occurred to me once that the 5 (Worle Sainsburys - Weston Town Centre - Hutton) route could have been extended from Hutton to Locking (The Green) via. Canada Combe and Elborough, returning back from Locking (The Green) towards Elborough and Hutton via. Meadow Drive and Meadow Rise. As it is one option might now be to run the 51 hourly between Locking (The Green) and Weston-super-Mare with alternate journeys running to / from Wrington as they do at present.


That change to the 4 provides the replacement link between Odd Down P&R and the RUH but it leaves Rush Hill without anything on the stretch between Whiteway and Odd Down. Solutions for that, IMO would either be to extend the 5 through to either Fox Hill or Odd Down P&R on alternate journeys to give a half-hourly service which won't require users to change buses. Either that or, if any operator takes over the City Centre - Haycombe Cemetery (Service 12?) they could be asked to extend through to cover the Rush Hill gap. Who knows what will happen.

Anyway let us hope I haven't gone (too) off-topic here.
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The south side of Bath and the area Dave refers to has been particularly badly hit by these cuts.
The area has now completely lost 12 to Haycombe Cemetery, 22 Uni to Twerton via Odd Down Southdown , Whiteway and the 42 linking Odd Down P&R to RUH.

I hope the Uni students aren't too disappointed when they learn they have lost their direct link to Bath Uni from these areas when First withdraws the 22.
 

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I hope the Uni students aren't too disappointed when they learn they have lost their direct link to Bath Uni from these areas when First withdraws the 22.
That will presumably depend on how much of a return to face to face teaching / lectures is planned.
 

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I hope the Uni students aren't too disappointed when they learn they have lost their direct link to Bath Uni from these areas when First withdraws the 22.
Not just the students, but the staff. I travel in regularly from Combe Down and from Weston and losing the 22 and the 20 at the same time is extremely stressful. I'm thankfully on flexitime, but my partner isn't, and managing to do school drop off, grab a 2 down to down, and a U1 back up is near impossible in term time due to the sheer number of students travelling. With increased numbers of people doing that, the stress on the U1 service will be even greater.

Likewise, having to travel from Weston will now require a 4 > U1 switch, which while frustrating in term time due to numbers of travellers, is even harder with the reduced U1 frequency outside of it.
 

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The problem with the 126 is not the number of passengers - the numbers travelling are actually quite healthy. Its actually the revenue that they generate, with the vast majority being concession holders. You need many more concession holders to even come close to a few paying commuters. It seems very sad a well used service is being lost because the money it generates isn't sufficient.
 

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Not just the students, but the staff. I travel in regularly from Combe Down and from Weston and losing the 22 and the 20 at the same time is extremely stressful. I'm thankfully on flexitime, but my partner isn't, and managing to do school drop off, grab a 2 down to down, and a U1 back up is near impossible in term time due to the sheer number of students travelling. With increased numbers of people doing that, the stress on the U1 service will be even greater.

Likewise, having to travel from Weston will now require a 4 > U1 switch, which while frustrating in term time due to numbers of travellers, is even harder with the reduced U1 frequency outside of it.
I await the U1 and U2 timetables with interest and wonder what the peak vehicle requirement is for these services.
In past years we've seen convoys of buses heading up Bathwick Hill to the Uni but presumably because of driver shortages that really is a thing of the past.
 

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@TheGrandWazoo and @RELL6L, if you do get a chance between now and October, do out on the 126. I did it last week, and it really is a stunning route, particularly from the top deck. I regret it is a service I have never really had to use much in my life, and is a real shame that, despite being busy, still isn't viable.

On a trivial note, I believe (though happy to be corrected), that 126 is the oldest country service number in our region.
 

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Is the 379 every 30 minutes? I took it to be hourly to make 4 buses per hour into Bath with the 172, 173 and 174. So does this mean that Farmborough and High Littleton on the 178 lose all their service (bar a college bus on the 349)?

The loss of the 126 is terrible. Ideally there will be a high profile campaign to save it due to its effect on several villages. Will try and get a trip on it again before it goes if I can. I struggle to see how this can be justified.
Sorry I misread it when it said 15 minutes frequency over common section of route.
 

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Is the 379 every 30 minutes? I took it to be hourly to make 4 buses per hour into Bath with the 172, 173 and 174. So does this mean that Farmborough and High Littleton on the 178 lose all their service (bar a college bus on the 349)?

The loss of the 126 is terrible. Ideally there will be a high profile campaign to save it due to its effect on several villages. Will try and get a trip on it again before it goes if I can. I struggle to see how this can be justified.
Hourly 379 forming part of the Bath - Norton corridor but, as I said earlier, it was horrifically unreliable when the 178/379 were half the 15 min headway; it's why the 178 was split as it was.

Farmborough and High Littleton will still get the much pared back 179 but only Monday to Friday.
The south side of Bath and the area Dave refers to has been particularly badly hit by these cuts.
The area has now completely lost 12 to Haycombe Cemetery, 22 Uni to Twerton via Odd Down Southdown , Whiteway and the 42 linking Odd Down P&R to RUH.

I hope the Uni students aren't too disappointed when they learn they have lost their direct link to Bath Uni from these areas when First withdraws the 22.
Yeah, that corner of Bath gets the 5 from Whiteway and not much else. I suspect that they're thinking of some 16 seat minibus to pootle around on the 11/12?
The problem with the 126 is not the number of passengers - the numbers travelling are actually quite healthy. Its actually the revenue that they generate, with the vast majority being concession holders. You need many more concession holders to even come close to a few paying commuters. It seems very sad a well used service is being lost because the money it generates isn't sufficient.
Absolutely right. Travel from Wells to Weston at 0930 and it's busy from Cheddar. Travel on a peak journey and it was always thinner.

The 126 seems the most grievous of cuts though.
@TheGrandWazoo and @RELL6L, if you do get a chance between now and October, do out on the 126. I did it last week, and it really is a stunning route, particularly from the top deck. I regret it is a service I have never really had to use much in my life, and is a real shame that, despite being busy, still isn't viable.

On a trivial note, I believe (though happy to be corrected), that 126 is the oldest country service number in our region.
I am aiming to have a day out next week. Whilst I've been scooting around on Arriva Northumbria or First Essex/Eastern Counties or Stagecoach South in the last year, I've not actually had a day out on the local routes.

It's been two years since I last had a trip on the 126 and the 29th August was the 30th anniversary of my first trip on it, on this Badgerline RE (Photo: Peter Horrex on flickr)

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A few early observations from the new First WoE timetables now on Traveline for services from October 10th:

- There are some very optimistic timings on the extended 349 journeys at College times, particularly to the country side of Bilbie Green.
- The afternoon 379 towards Paulton and Bristol helpfully passes Norton Hill School ten minutes before the kids leave and there isn't another journey for a full hour afterwards towards Paulton. I hope the new operator of the 82 will be running a decker...
- 376 and 379 departures are not clockface timed from any point of the route.
- The 47 timetable doesn't include the rumoured grand tour of North Yate (although the map does, along with different header details). It also takes an eye-watering 1h40m from Bristol to Yate. The extended Y6 is somewhat quicker from end to end at a mere 1h20m. I look forward to the first headlines in the Evening Post regarding passengers who boarded in Yate Bus Station and didn't appreciate their mystery tour. (Retracted - see below)
- The X5 will apparently continue to serve Weston Town Centre, running via Locking Road instead of Locking Castle Estate. It gains a loop via Portishead Sainsburys (presumably to access the seemingly bottomless pot of cash that North Somerset Council seem to have got for running buses to the place). It will also apparently do a dog-leg up to West Hill and back on every journey after it gets back from Sainsburys. Bewildering.
 
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A few early observations from the new First WoE timetables now on Traveline for services from October 10th:

- There are some very optimistic timings on the extended 349 journeys at College times, particularly to the country side of Bilbie Green.
- The afternoon 379 towards Paulton and Bristol helpfully passes Norton Hill School ten minutes before the kids leave and there isn't another journey for a full hour afterwards towards Paulton. I hope the new operator of the 82 will be running a decker...
- 376 and 379 departures are not clockface timed from any point of the route.
- The 47 timetable doesn't include the rumoured grand tour of North Yate (although the map does, along with different header details). It also takes an eye-watering 1h40m from Bristol to Yate. The extended Y6 is somewhat quicker from end to end at a mere 1h20m. I look forward to the first headlines in the Evening Post regarding passengers who boarded in Yate Bus Station and didn't appreciate their mystery tour.
- The X5 will apparently continue to serve Weston Town Centre, running via Locking Road instead of Locking Castle Estate. It gains a loop via Portishead Sainsburys (presumably to access the seemingly bottomless pot of cash that North Somerset Council seem to have got for running buses to the place). It will also apparently do a dog-leg up to West Hill and back on every journey after it gets back from Sainsburys. Bewildering.
47 timetable on TravelineSW shows timings as Bristol - Yate - North Yate - Yate, departing Yate for N Yate at xx31. The return is Yate - N Yate - Yate - Bristol, departing Yate for N Yate at xx07.
The 1h40m is the full journey Bristol to Yate via Yate. If you decide to get off at Yate on the first visit it is 1h16.
 

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47 timetable on TravelineSW shows timings as Bristol - Yate - North Yate - Yate, departing Yate for N Yate at xx31. The return is Yate - N Yate - Yate - Bristol, departing Yate for N Yate at xx07.
The 1h40m is the full journey Bristol to Yate via Yate. If you decide to get off at Yate on the first visit it is 1h16.
Sorry, right you are. I'll amend my post accordingly.
 

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A few early observations from the new First WoE timetables now on Traveline for services from October 10th:

- There are some very optimistic timings on the extended 349 journeys at College times, particularly to the country side of Bilbie Green.
- The afternoon 379 towards Paulton and Bristol helpfully passes Norton Hill School ten minutes before the kids leave and there isn't another journey for a full hour afterwards towards Paulton. I hope the new operator of the 82 will be running a decker...
- 376 and 379 departures are not clockface timed from any point of the route.
- The 47 timetable doesn't include the rumoured grand tour of North Yate (although the map does, along with different header details). It also takes an eye-watering 1h40m from Bristol to Yate. The extended Y6 is somewhat quicker from end to end at a mere 1h20m. I look forward to the first headlines in the Evening Post regarding passengers who boarded in Yate Bus Station and didn't appreciate their mystery tour. (Retracted - see below)
- The X5 will apparently continue to serve Weston Town Centre, running via Locking Road instead of Locking Castle Estate. It gains a loop via Portishead Sainsburys (presumably to access the seemingly bottomless pot of cash that North Somerset Council seem to have got for running buses to the place). It will also apparently do a dog-leg up to West Hill and back on every journey after it gets back from Sainsburys. Bewildering.
Will there be an operator for the 82 do we know?
 

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I was looking at the First West of England website describing the forthcoming service cuts/revisions in October for Bath & North East Somerset.

It quotes ‘timetables coming shortly’ for the Bath 20 but presumably this is just the Centre-Ralph Allen School trips which the school states are continuing.
 

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Hourly 379 forming part of the Bath - Norton corridor but, as I said earlier, it was horrifically unreliable when the 178/379 were half the 15 min headway; it's why the 178 was split as it was.

Farmborough and High Littleton will still get the much pared back 179 but only Monday to Friday.

Yeah, that corner of Bath gets the 5 from Whiteway and not much else. I suspect that they're thinking of some 16 seat minibus to pootle around on the 11/12?

Absolutely right. Travel from Wells to Weston at 0930 and it's busy from Cheddar. Travel on a peak journey and it was always thinner.

The 126 seems the most grievous of cuts though.

I am aiming to have a day out next week. Whilst I've been scooting around on Arriva Northumbria or First Essex/Eastern Counties or Stagecoach South in the last year, I've not actually had a day out on the local routes.

It's been two years since I last had a trip on the 126 and the 29th August was the 30th anniversary of my first trip on it, on this Badgerline RE (Photo: Peter Horrex on flickr)

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Awesome picture of the RELL6L! I am away this week and next but will try and get down to do the 126 later this month. There’s something really wrong if this route doesn’t pay its way.
 

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I think its encouraging to see a service returning to the Wellington Road and Greenways Road area of Yate but not sure why the operator feels the need to do the loop twice over. Although, granted it will give passengers in that area access to a regular service and maybe they can use it to change to other buses at Yate Shopping Centre. Shame the new North Yate area service won't quite make it to the railway station too.

Disappointing to see the last journey on the 47 from Bristol to Yate will be at 1800 and there will be no Sunday services either. This means that passengers on certain parts on the 5 and Y5 routes loose a service at these times. Certain destinations served by the Y4 (eg Winterbourne) will also loose late evening journeys too. Other than that have noticed the 36 and 172 seem to be ending earlier than at present.

Also, over on the Y1 for whatever reason the last journey from Chipping Sodbury all the way to Bristol will be 2224 on Monday to Friday and 2220 on Saturday, yet on Sunday there will be a later journey at 2311. What is the logic in only running this journey on a Sunday when presumably usage will be lower and not on other days?
 

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A few early observations from the new First WoE timetables now on Traveline for services from October 10th:

- There are some very optimistic timings on the extended 349 journeys at College times, particularly to the country side of Bilbie Green.
- The afternoon 379 towards Paulton and Bristol helpfully passes Norton Hill School ten minutes before the kids leave and there isn't another journey for a full hour afterwards towards Paulton. I hope the new operator of the 82 will be running a decker...
- 376 and 379 departures are not clockface timed from any point of the route.
- The 47 timetable doesn't include the rumoured grand tour of North Yate (although the map does, along with different header details). It also takes an eye-watering 1h40m from Bristol to Yate. The extended Y6 is somewhat quicker from end to end at a mere 1h20m. I look forward to the first headlines in the Evening Post regarding passengers who boarded in Yate Bus Station and didn't appreciate their mystery tour. (Retracted - see below)
- The X5 will apparently continue to serve Weston Town Centre, running via Locking Road instead of Locking Castle Estate. It gains a loop via Portishead Sainsburys (presumably to access the seemingly bottomless pot of cash that North Somerset Council seem to have got for running buses to the place). It will also apparently do a dog-leg up to West Hill and back on every journey after it gets back from Sainsburys. Bewildering.
The 376/379 timings are bat***t crazy. Bewildering is the word. You have the 376 30 mins apart but every hour, one is followed 10 mins later by a 379.
 

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The 376/379 timings are bat***t crazy. Bewildering is the word. You have the 376 30 mins apart but every hour, one is followed 10 mins later by a 379.
Looks odd, but I suspect the logic is to make sure 379 passengers have a better chance to get on. 376 is doubles, I suspect 379 won't be.
 

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Looks odd, but I suspect the logic is to make sure 379 passengers have a better chance to get on. 376 is doubles, I suspect 379 won't be.
I suspect it will be doubles considering there arent many single deckers going about plus the 171, 172 and 376 are all doubles. There isnt a reason it shouldnt be. Especially considering it will be runnning the busy Radstock/Norton half and the busy Pensford/Whitchurch section and now will be the only route serving Paulton
 

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Looks odd, but I suspect the logic is to make sure 379 passengers have a better chance to get on. 376 is doubles, I suspect 379 won't be.
It’ll be doubles on the 379s, with Wells’ E400s.
The 376/379 timings are bat***t crazy. Bewildering is the word. You have the 376 30 mins apart but every hour, one is followed 10 mins later by a 379.
They have to interwork with the 172/173/174, which is why the timings are a bit weird.
 

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On the Bristol front I note that Services 3 & 4 (City Centre - Cribbs Causeway, via. Shirehampton & Blackboy Hill) are rerouted on the inbound journey to operate via. Baldwin Street calling at Baldwin Street (C13) and Wine Street (B17).

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It’ll be doubles on the 379s, with Wells’ E400s.

They have to interwork with the 172/173/174, which is why the timings are a bit weird.
Appreciate that's the reason for it but we've been here before with the 379 following the 376. Sending another bus along the A37 when it's not needed is bizarre. I mean, they've managed ok for the last 6 years.

As I said, extending half the 349s to Midsomer Norton in place of the 178 would've been a more logical decision.
 

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As I said, extending half the 349s to Midsomer Norton in place of the 178 would've been a more logical decision.
Yes I agree. By the looks of it a trip on an extended 349 from MSN to Bristol would follow a more direct route too.

One thing I have noticed, comparing the new and current 349 timetables, is that the 2015, 2115 and 2215 Bristol to Keynsham journeys, along with their return workings, are dropped meaning that the last 349 from Bristol will now be at 1910.

Dave
 

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I was looking at the First West of England website describing the forthcoming service cuts/revisions in October for Bath & North East Somerset.

It quotes ‘timetables coming shortly’ for the Bath 20 but presumably this is just the Centre-Ralph Allen School trips which the school states are continuing.
I see reference to service 20 ‘timetables coming shortly’ has been removed from the First West of England website.
 

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Yes I agree. By the looks of it a trip on an extended 349 from MSN to Bristol would follow a more direct route too.
Not once you've done a circuit of Park Estate, it wouldn't. The timings for the extended 349 journeys are clearly wrong as there is a mere 11/12 minutes to get from Bilbie Green back in to Keynsham town centre, up Wellsway, out through Burnett and Marksbury to Farmborough. The afternoon trip is supposed to return in service from Midsomer Norton, dep 1733 to form the last 349 journey of the day from Keynsham to Bristol. The evening Park Estate loops have made a comeback, although i doubt they'll last long.

One thing I have noticed, comparing the new and current 349 timetables, is that the 2015, 2115 and 2215 Bristol to Keynsham journeys, along with their return workings, are dropped meaning that the last 349 from Bristol will now be at 1910.
And the journeys from Keynsham to Bristol drop to hourly after 4pm.
 

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Not once you've done a circuit of Park Estate, it wouldn't. The timings for the extended 349 journeys are clearly wrong as there is a mere 11/12 minutes to get from Bilbie Green back in to Keynsham town centre, up Wellsway, out through Burnett and Marksbury to Farmborough. The afternoon trip is supposed to return in service from Midsomer Norton, dep 1733 to form the last 349 journey of the day from Keynsham to Bristol. The evening Park Estate loops have made a comeback, although i doubt they'll last long.
Those timings are clearly wrong, as you say. The 178 currently takes 15 mins from Keynsham to Farmborough - the afternoon 349 will take 10. It will be late though as even comparing the same 349 timetable, the afternoon run from Bilbie Green is going to take 2 mins rather than the 5 mins on the other journeys. It's also 2 mins quicker to Paulton than the 178 though that's offset by being 2 mins slower from Paulton to MSN.
 
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