Keeps the tourists off the already overcrowded trains.
This would be a much better solution. But sadly I'm not sure it's likely.
Connectivity is key to enabling modal shift and not stopping these trains at C.Jcn to one of the busiest destinations outside of London is plain daft.
I think I have read somewhere that the franchise agreement required Southern to brand the non-stop trains between Gatwick and Victoria as Gatwick Express. If they call at Clapham Junction they can no longer be called Gatwick Express.
For most tourists coming into the country who DON'T speak english, they probably don't know about apps like Trainline and just take the fastest advertised service.
To where?
Plus Elizabeth line connections to central london… Victoria to tube isnt always the best, now there is an alternative.
Most of course would look up 'Buying Uk train tickets' and any app will come up and most have a language changer tool anyway so however the visitor may find easiest is up to them.
I definitely won't be expecting them back anytime soon. Current services are great to get to London already. If You require Victoria but don't want to pay a higher fare for GatEx just go to Blackfriars and take Circle/District onwards.
Why? I am really lobbying right now for Thameslink but Victoria is so out of it? Tourists won't be looking for Clapham if so just change at Preston park or so. Thameslink is a good way for such tourists to get to London as you are plonked straight in the middle of it?
If only they chose to build the fast lines with Redhill in mind.Most of course would look up 'Buying Uk train tickets' and any app will come up and most have a language changer tool anyway so however the visitor may find easiest is up to them.
Exactly, we have such rubbish (Only Gatwick and Horsham?) Southerly destinations as Sunday Brighton service would be most useful as you said for families who can (especially with children) can find Gatwick Airport stressful. I do still even by myself.
If Bognors and Portsmouths (Do most people use these for the south coast at Redhill anyway?) can go via Redhill why can't Brightons?
I think as there is 2tph VIC-BTN IIRC, 1tph should have calling pattern:
Victoria-Clapham-East Croydon-Redhill-Gatwick-Three Bridges-Hayward Heath-Burgess Hill-Hassocks-Brighton (same on return)
I suppose it doesn't necessarily need to be Victoria Originating services could be Bedfords/Cambridges?
And the other would go via quarry line bypassing Redhill as you know very well. Thought that one avoiding Redhill would be useful as at Gatwick London Bound, it may too busy for RDH passengers to get on.
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I definitely won't be expecting them back anytime soon. Current services are great to get to London already. If You require Victoria but don't want to pay a higher fare for GatEx just go to Blackfriars and take Circle/District onwards.
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Why? I am really lobbying right now for Thameslink but Victoria is so out of it? Tourists won't be looking for Clapham if so just change at Preston park or so. Thameslink is a good way for such tourists to get to London as you are plonked straight in the middle of it?
Short history: Originally there weren't any fast lines but Redhill became easily congested and so to avoid it, they created the quarry line to bypass Redhill. It used to have Coulsdon North as a station.
Gat ex gets canned all the time because of shortage of train crew. What would semi fast be likeShort history: Originally there weren't any fast lines but Redhill became easily congested and so to avoid it, they created the quarry line to bypass Redhill. It used to have Coulsdon North as a station.
This is off topic but if you would like to continue this history and other off topic stuff, I'd be more than happy to in a conversation
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If people at Brighton really wanted London Victoria they could change at three places: Preston Park (quietest least stressful change, but the annoying thing her is that the Bedfords are routed just after the Victoria train so you would need to wait longer for a less busy train) Gatwick `Airport or East Croydon.
There is no longer a reason why the 1AXXs need to come back at this given time.
I don’t understand your question?
What I mean is that Gatwick express gets canned Because of shortage of train crew
If 1Axx came back as 1tph then it wouldn't be canned first as it wouldn't have an alternative until an hour later. Normally Southern/Thameslink bin off the trains that will have a service arriving in the next hour if they can help it. Eg. Littlehampton trains never really get scrapped because there is no alternative for a whole hour. Eastbourne trains do because there is an Ore service that comes half an hour later.
Don't the majority (not all) of coastway trains simply go up and down to London with the same crew? Therefore, if they get to Victoria they will come back. It isn't unusual for coastway trains to terminate at East Croydon due to late running, something which only really works because the crew are working in and out of London.
Whilst still technically coastway, from what I've seen, it isn't uncommon to for the crew of trains to/from Portsmouth/Southampton & Bognor having Littlehampton workings on their diagrams.
Plenty of SN coastway drivers don’t sign all the way to Victoria.
If the 1Axx becomes cancelled, then you can always use GatEx to Gatwick Airport or the large amount of Thameslink services.
The Gatwick Express fare does only apply to Gatwick. A standard fare applies for Brighton passengers travelling to Victoria (other than the lack of availability of advance fares).
