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Which bit being true or otherwise?

I'd imagine it was simply more poor Arriva management. A perfunctory bit of consultation, they reckon it's a fait accompli and the staff will meekly relocate to Blyth. They cocked this up (on a smaller scale) with the closures of Bishop and Alnwick years back.
At least one other example too: Southern Counties failed to observe some statutory periods of notice required when they shut Sheerness, resulting in it remaining open after the service changes intended to close it.
 
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I'd imagine it was simply more poor Arriva management. A perfunctory bit of consultation, they reckon it's a fait accompli and the staff will meekly relocate to Blyth.

I'd guess that sums up the position pretty well. Don't bother discussing the change, just a "like it or lump it".

does this suggest Arriva want to withdraw from Northumbri

Unlikely. They just want to sell off a bit of prime real estate and relocate the smallish amount of work to their bigger depots in Ashington and Blyth.

I imagine that Unite's annoyance is that Jesmond drivers are being expected to suck up the extra costs of getting to work without compensation or even a discussion.
 

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Unlikely. They just want to sell off a bit of prime real estate and relocate the smallish amount of work to their bigger depots in Ashington and Blyth.

I imagine that Unite's annoyance is that Jesmond drivers are being expected to suck up the extra costs of getting to work without compensation or even a discussion.

Jesmond depot was sold by Arriva back in 2016 - the lease expires this year.
 

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What's the strike going to achieve when the place is due for closure. It may just speed up the process. The company will just say thank you and walk away.
 

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We are extremely disappointed for all our customers to confirm that Unite have planned a further 13 days of industrial action in October and November across Northfleet, Gillingham, Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells. The dates are:

Wednesday 19th, Thursday 20th and Friday 21st October
Monday 24th, Tuesday 25th, Wednesday 26th, Thursday 27th and Friday 28th October
Monday 7th, Tuesday 8th, Wednesday 9th, Thursday 10th and Friday 11th November

We recognise that this will mean upheaval to our customers and communities through this ongoing industrial action in the region, despite a generous pay offer being tabled.

We urge the Union to ballot on our pay offer as soon as possible. We will continue to keep our customers and stakeholders updated, we apologise for the inconvenience this will cause across the region.
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After 4 days in the last week, Arriva in Kent and Sussex have now announced 13 further days of strikes. With so many routes having severe reductions from the 31st October and these strikes I can’t see many passengers having faith in the service for much longer.

Passenger numbers will possibly drop, meaning there will be less income meaning a chance of a pay rise (justified pay rise in my opinion) becoming more justifiable.
 

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Arriva Strike Information

After 4 days in the last week, Arriva in Kent and Sussex have now announced 13 further days of strikes. With so many routes having severe reductions from the 31st October and these strikes I can’t see many passengers having faith in the service for much longer.

Passenger numbers will possibly drop, meaning there will be less income meaning a chance of a pay rise (justified pay rise in my opinion) becoming more justifiable.
Independents like Nu Venture and ASD might find their revenue rising (where passengers can walk a short distance to catch an alternative.
 

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Independents like Nu Venture and ASD might find their revenue rising (where passengers can walk a short distance to catch an alternative.
That is true during the day, but at commuting times they don’t necessarily run as their focus seems to be school runs at this time. For example, the A2 corridor from Chatham towards Rainham doesn’t appear to have any buses before 9.
 

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That is true during the day, but at commuting times they don’t necessarily run as their focus seems to be school runs at this time. For example, the A2 corridor from Chatham towards Rainham doesn’t appear to have any buses before 9.
That is true, None are particularly big - Nu Venture is probably the largest and operates inside and outside of the Medway area. However, there are places such as Strood which will still have a fair service. Hempstead Valley will still be accessible as will the hospital and Maidstone (provided you are not in a hurry). You quote the A2, depends where you are going and for when; you can get to (real) Rainham by 09:20. No, it is no replacement, but some people might just realise that these companies offer a decent service and were available when required. After the strike ends. maybe even catch one of these buses rather than waiting for an Arriva bus, a couple of minutes away. OK, most of their buses don't fall into the luxury camp, but neither do Arriva's.
 

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That is true, None are particularly big - Nu Venture is probably the largest and operates inside and outside of the Medway area. However, there are places such as Strood which will still have a fair service. Hempstead Valley will still be accessible as will the hospital and Maidstone (provided you are not in a hurry). You quote the A2, depends where you are going and for when; you can get to (real) Rainham by 09:20. No, it is no replacement, but some people might just realise that these companies offer a decent service and were available when required. After the strike ends. maybe even catch one of these buses rather than waiting for an Arriva bus, a couple of minutes away. OK, most of their buses don't fall into the luxury camp, but neither do Arriva's.
They are very fair points. I am a teacher so I can’t unfortunately travel later but there will be times where I used the competitor home if it is a viable.
 

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What's the strike going to achieve when the place is due for closure. It may just speed up the process. The company will just say thank you and walk away.
Not certain what you mean by "the company will just say thank you and walk away"?

Drivers have a legitimate grievance and the company is duty-bound to consult. The depot is due to close at the end of the month and Arriva (in the union's eyes) has not consulted to the appropriate extent.

Arriva could be subject to claims (though unlikely). It was always challenging that drivers would relocate to Blyth though perhaps those living in, for instance, Killingworth or Forest Hall might be inclined to move. You wonder how poor the staffing position will be at the end of this - zero loyalty to Arriva so take the redundancy and head to Go North East or Stagecoach.
 

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They are very fair points. I am a teacher so I can’t unfortunately travel later but there will be times where I used the competitor home if it is a viable.
I am (very much) an ex-teacher (and ex-lecturer) so the day starts at 09:30! :D

Not everyone thinks like you. There does seem to be an unjustified loyalty to Arriva amongst some. Waiting at Canal Road for a bus to the Bus Station, an ASD bus pulled up with an Arriva vehicle behind, people just pushed their way towards the latter (it was pretty crowded), the ASD driver probably thought there were no passengers so drove off. I'd have been quite happy getting on it, if for no other reason that it would have been quicker (and probably more comfortable).
Some will have needed to catch the Arriva bus because of their ticket but I don't think it could have applied to all.
 
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Which bit being true or otherwise?

I'd imagine it was simply more poor Arriva management. A perfunctory bit of consultation, they reckon it's a fait accompli and the staff will meekly relocate to Blyth. They cocked this up (on a smaller scale) with the closures of Bishop and Alnwick years back.
Indeed.

I believe drivers have been encouraged to stay by suggesting something was being sorted, then at the last minute told there is nothing.

From the old Northumbria that began at privatisation, Alnwick, Berwick, Whitley Bay, Hexham, Morpeth, Gallowgate, Jesmond, all gone. Might be some more I forgot.

This is a list of Jesmond services, not made by me, copied from a local Facebook group.

X30 (16:33) Newcastle to Bebside
43 Morpeth/Cramlington to Newcastle
44/45 Dinnington to Newcastle
46/46A Featherstone Grove to Newcastle
47 General Hospital to Newcastle
51 Whitley Bay to Newcastle
51A Holystone Park to Newcastle
52 Ashington/Cramlington to Newcastle
53 North Shields to Cramlington
54 Whitley Bay to Newcastle
55 Forest Hall to Newcastle
S105 Brunton Lane to St Cuthberts RC Lower School
306 Whitley Bay/Tynemouth to Newcastle
308 (Sun/Bank Hol) Blyth to Newcastle
553 Battle Hill to Freeman Hospital/Regent Centre
555 Quorum Park to Four Lane Ends
S652 (pm) Killingworth East Bailey to Northumberland Park West Allotment
S654 Northumberland Park West Allotment to Killingworth East Bailey
S656 Killingworth East Bailey to Northumberland Park West Allotment
685 Carlisle/Hexham to Newcastle
S693 Wideopen to Seaton Burn North Gosforth Academy
S699 Seaton Burn North Gosforth Academy to Wideopen
 
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Not certain what you mean by "the company will just say thank you and walk away"?

Drivers have a legitimate grievance and the company is duty-bound to consult. The depot is due to close at the end of the month and Arriva (in the union's eyes) has not consulted to the appropriate extent.

Arriva could be subject to claims (though unlikely). It was always challenging that drivers would relocate to Blyth though perhaps those living in, for instance, Killingworth or Forest Hall might be inclined to move. You wonder how poor the staffing position will be at the end of this - zero loyalty to Arriva so take the redundancy and head to Go North East or Stagecoach.
My point is Arriva will just save the money for wages.
 

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That is true during the day, but at commuting times they don’t necessarily run as their focus seems to be school runs at this time. For example, the A2 corridor from Chatham towards Rainham doesn’t appear to have any buses before 9.
There are, though, dozens of trains between Rainham, Gillingham and Chatham before 9am, for the princely sum of £4.90 return (probably cheaper than the bus!)

There does seem to be an unjustified loyalty to Arriva amongst some. Waiting at Canal Road for a bus to the Bus Station, an ASD bus pulled up with an Arriva vehicle behind, people just pushed their way towards the latter (it was pretty crowded), the ASD driver probably thought there were no passengers so drove off. I'd have been quite happy getting on it, if for no other reason that it would have been quicker (and probably more comfortable).
Some will have needed to catch the Arriva bus because of their ticket but I don't think it could have applied to all.
Probably more people have a day ticket than you'd think. In any case, Medway Council tenders use the same fare scale over common sections of route, so it wouldn't be any cheaper. ASD are also known in the area for operating a large number of private services, e.g. to Amazon, which may also make people think twice about using "the white bus".
 

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There are, though, dozens of trains between Rainham, Gillingham and Chatham before 9am, for the princely sum of £4.90 return (probably cheaper than the bus!)
Which is a good option if you live close to the train station or work near it.

However, I do understand that for many people this would be an option.
 

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So is Jesmond closing this weekend? Vehicles and staff to Blyth - or some other plan?
 
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I believe it's this weekend, some drivers to Ashington, some to Blyth. One can only hope my local services will improve, but I am not confident.

The Arriva North East guide to creating a small, unsuccessful business.

Start with a large, successful one.....
 

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I believe it's this weekend, some drivers to Ashington, some to Blyth. One can only hope my local services will improve, but I am not confident.

The Arriva North East guide to creating a small, unsuccessful business.

Start with a large, successful one.....
Out of interest (from someone who lives far away) how are Go-Ahead & Stagecoach managing with staff levels around Tyneside? I.e are they in a position to cover/compete/takeover some of the Arriva routes?
 
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Out of interest (from someone who lives far away) how are Go-Ahead & Stagecoach managing with staff levels around Tyneside? I.e are they in a position to cover/compete/takeover some of the Arriva routes?
Same as always,a bit short but some drivers from Jesmond will have joined them. Many will have taken the opportunity to reassess their work life and left the industry, it's not hard now to find a better job.

Jesmond services are in tatters, they don't seem to have had a plan for its closure.

Arriva now have no depots in Newcastle or North Tyneside, not sure about the rest of Tyne and Wear.

On the plus side, their parent company got millions of pounds for the site, which I am sure will be spent on improving local services, not just sent back to Germany.

Mind, I still believe in Santa.
 

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Same as always,a bit short but some drivers from Jesmond will have joined them. Many will have taken the opportunity to reassess their work life and left the industry, it's not hard now to find a better job.

Jesmond services are in tatters, they don't seem to have had a plan for its closure.

Arriva now have no depots in Newcastle or North Tyneside, not sure about the rest of Tyne and Wear.

On the plus side, their parent company got millions of pounds for the site, which I am sure will be spent on improving local services, not just sent back to Germany.

Mind, I still believe in Santa.
How does Arriva plan to run its share of the 685, now that Jesmond is closing?
 

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So is Jesmond closing this weekend? Vehicles and staff to Blyth - or some other plan?
Arriva Northumbria has made arrangements for approximately 35 vehicles to be outstationed permanently at Stagecoach in Newcastle's Walkergate depot. Services 47, 553, 555, and Arriva's share of 685 will be operated from there along with various journeys on 51, 52, 53, 54, 306, 308 and a couple of school services. The peak vehicle requirement is 28. I do not know how long this arrangement is for. Walkergate has not appeared in Notices & Proceedings yet, but it is on the "O" Licence with an authorisation of 38.
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/155397
Some services will transfer to Blyth where a new depot on Union Street, with an authorisation of 25, is located. I am told this is on the opposite side of the Mecca Bingo from the bus station. The postcode shown on the licence is incorrect.
 
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I have been told by staff still there that Walkergate is temporary, all will move eventually.

Tonight is the last night run in to Jesmond, end of an era.

So many services cancelled today, staff leaving and loads on the sick, no sign of an improvement on Monday.
 

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Yesterday I rode Volvo B9TL - Olympus 4107 in Leicester from the batch cascaded there from West Yorkshire. Upstairs it still has its previous fleet number 1807!

I wanted to ride one, and a First Eclipse cascaded there from Somerset, before these get replaced by electric buses.
 

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Yesterday I rode Volvo B9TL - Olympus 4107 in Leicester from the batch cascaded there from West Yorkshire. Upstairs it still has its previous fleet number 1807!

I wanted to ride one, and a First Eclipse cascaded there from Somerset, before these get replaced by electric buses.
The Arriva electrics aren't expected in Leicester for some time, so these Volvo B9s will hang on for a while yet, and may still survive beyond the electric introduction.
There are some diesel E400MMCs due for Arriva's Leicester depot in the coming weeks.
 

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The latest Leicester press release said that the First and Arriva electric buses should start arriving from March 2023 and completed by Spring 2024.
 

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The Arriva electrics aren't expected in Leicester for some time, so these Volvo B9s will hang on for a while yet, and may still survive beyond the electric introduction.
There are some diesel E400MMCs due for Arriva's Leicester depot in the coming weeks.
I wonder therefore whether it is just routes entirely within the Flexi zone, or even entirely within the Leicester City Council area, that will gain electric buses?

Routes like the 29, 49 and 127 to name but 3 would seem unlikely to be due electric buses any time soon.

Mind you, if the double deck Pulsars that have gained e-leather seating are about to be withdrawn upon replacement by E400-MMCs I may kick myself for not riding one yesterday.

The latest Leicester press release said that the First and Arriva electric buses should start arriving from March 2023 and completed by Spring 2024.
Thank you for letting us know the planned timing for these buses.
 

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I wonder therefore whether it is just routes entirely within the Flexi zone, or even entirely within the Leicester City Council area, that will gain electric buses?

Routes like the 29, 49 and 127 to name but 3 would seem unlikely to be due electric buses any time soon.

Mind you, if the double deck Pulsars that have gained e-leather seating are about to be withdrawn upon replacement by E400-MMCs I may kick myself for not riding one yesterday.
Arriva only has the 86 service that is wholly within the City boundary but it's expected the electrics will primarily be allocated to a route (or two) with a high proportion of 'City' mileage.

The DB250/Wrights will have a while to go yet, they are expected to go when the Electric buses arrive, so probably a year or so yet, although a few have been withdrawn recently due to mechanical issues.
 
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