GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[HamworthyGoods]

Sure, but I don't consider it the right of the school to be assured that GWR will put four carriages on for the benefit of their pupils.

It’s not so much putting the four carriages on for the benefit of the pupils is more about trying to match capacity to demand whether that be student, leisure or commuting.

 

[Apedlar12]

That was more luck than judgment, all are now 2 car 150 due to another failure, though a 3 car 158 is being swapped into a circuit. As it is the Axminster is cancelled as there is a 166 on that diagram (not route cleared)

Seems as if the 3 car 158 (957) that went onto Exmouth to Paigntons earlier was replaced by the 2+4 and was then used to swap onto the Axminster service to allow it to run.

 

[RPI]

Seems as if the 3 car 158 (957) that went onto Exmouth to Paigntons earlier was replaced by the 2+4 and was then used to swap onto the Axminster service to allow it to run.

Yes I did notice they did another swap in the end, was an entertaining day... not

 

[Jrocks]

And whilst all of this was happening, 2 150s had a jolly upto Cardiff!

 

[HamworthyGoods]

And whilst all of this was happening, 2 150s had a jolly upto Cardiff!

One was the spare set of the St Ives line now it’s winter and that’s back to a single 150.

 

[REVUpminster]

Sure, but I don't consider it the right of the school to be assured that GWR will put four carriages on for the benefit of their pupils.

But it also the parents or schools right to complain about capacity when GWR know up to 200 girls and boys will be on that train. Even on a 166 or 4 car 150 there will be standing. The grammar schools have a large catchment area. I think between both schools they have over 2000 pupils.

 

[Jim]

But that 2 x 150 was on the Torre school train. GWR does not want a barrage of complaints from parents and headteachers. They have finally learnt something ie the stock allocators.

I wouldn't say it's a case of learning something, more a case of being able to fully form it.

Of note of course the shortage of 150s on the Devon Metro isn't even the fault of the 150 fleet, yesterday 4 of them were covering for other fleets and 150 availability is traditionally one of the best, certainly when compared to Turbos.

Sure, but I don't consider it the right of the school to be assured that GWR will put four carriages on for the benefit of their pupils.

I don't think they are as such, but it's just common sense that you try not make a train not leave 150+ people behind from the school day?

 

[REVUpminster]

4 166s back today. I hope Exeter, as a new depot, can repair these trains and are not stopped by petty rules.

Butttt!!!! 158959 on the school run 11 late by Starcross (possibly not passenger related) and 9 late into Paignton

Looks like a Barnstaple train was diverted.

 

[cactustwirly]

4 166s back today. I hope Exeter, as a new depot, can repair these trains and are not stopped by petty rules.

Butttt!!!! 158959 on the school run 11 late by Starcross (possibly not passenger related) and 9 late into Paignton

Looks like a Barnstaple train was diverted.

The 166s are only stabled at Exeter.
The maintenance is done at St Philip's Marsh and Reading

 

[HamworthyGoods]

The 166s are only stabled at Exeter.
The maintenance is done at St Philip's Marsh and Reading

Not quite true.
Routine maintenance and exams are done at St Philips Marsh and Reading.

Fuel Point exams are additionally done at Exeter and Fratton.

Out of course maintenance such as repairs can and is done at Exeter - the two units which had failed on shed were fixed yesterday by Exeter salt Exeter. A more serious problem however would require the unit to move back to St Phillips Marsh.

Most maintenance depots will have a go a lot trying to fix something, what is usually the limiting factor is either specialist knowledge or stocking of particular parts.

 

[Jim]

4 166s back today. I hope Exeter, as a new depot, can repair these trains and are not stopped by petty rules.

Butttt!!!! 158959 on the school run 11 late by Starcross (possibly not passenger related) and 9 late into Paignton

Looks like a Barnstaple train was diverted.

Track defect near Powderham

 

[SJ21]

Turbo on 2L92 to Axminster again tonight. Currently shown as being 802006 from Exeter to Axminster taking over from 166208 at Exeter!

 

[JN114]

Turbo on 2L92 to Axminster again tonight. Currently shown as being 802006 from Exeter to Axminster taking over from 166208 at Exeter!

Turbos aren't cleared beyond Exmouth Jn towards Axminster - only 158s and IETs are (although IETs I don't think can call at some stops) - so I suspect the 802 taking over is genuine!

 

[150249]

I saw a lot of single 150s out today. 150265 arrived into Exeter St David's full and standing

 

[pompeyfan]

Turbos aren't cleared beyond Exmouth Jn towards Axminster - only 158s and IETs are (although IETs I don't think can call at some stops) - so I suspect the 802 taking over is genuine!

2L92 appears not to be calling at Pinhoe or Feniton either

 

[Class172]

2L92 appears not to be calling at Pinhoe or Feniton either

Short platforms presumably? Looks like the unit is returning to Laira direct via Exeter Central (rather than via Castle Cary) along this path https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:94132/2022-11-04/detailed#allox_id=0

 

[pompeyfan]

Short platforms presumably? Looks like the unit is returning to Laira direct via Exeter Central (rather than via Castle Cary) along this path https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:94132/2022-11-04/detailed#allox_id=0

I’d imagine PTI risk assessment, or the stations aren’t in the ASDO database.

 

[TEW]

Turbos aren't cleared beyond Exmouth Jn towards Axminster - only 158s and IETs are (although IETs I don't think can call at some stops) - so I suspect the 802 taking over is genuine!

150s are too? I have memories of them running the occasional service down there in the past but I can't quite remember why, and there are a few pictures of them running services there in 2014.

 

[Jim]

Current paperwork is 158 and IET only for passenger service on the route, the latter being unable to call at the two stops that were missed.

It was IET or nothing today it seems!

 

[Xavi]

A 5-car IET would comfortably fit at Pinhoe, understandable that the clearance has never been processed though.

 

[RPI]

A 5-car IET would comfortably fit at Pinhoe, understandable that the clearance has never been processed though.

Not sure about that comfortably, on the up a 6 car 159 has to use SDO and a 5 car IET is only 8 metres shorter than a 6 car 159!

150's are cleared for the route but not stopping anywhere as the PTI risk assessments haven't been completed, 150's were used in the past couple of years for route refreshing before 2L92 started running.

 

[Xavi]

Not sure about that comfortably, on the up a 6 car 159 has to use SDO and a 5 car IET is only 8 metres shorter than a 6 car 159!

The up platform was used by 6-car 159s without SDO until a one-off incident several years ago. The 8 metres you refer to would mean it would never be an issue with a 5-car IET. It’s just a paperwork matter.

 

[Ashley Hill]

A 5-car IET would comfortably fit at Pinhoe, understandable that the clearance has never been processed though.

All stations from Pinhoe to Castle Cary were gauged one night a couple of years ago. As to why it was unable to call the other night is a mystery. And 5 does fit comfortably.

 

[RPI]

The up platform was used by 6-car 159s without SDO until a one-off incident several years ago. The 8 metres you refer to would mean it would never be an issue with a 5-car IET. It’s just a paperwork matter.

Yes, guard released all doors but driver had stopped short.

 

[Snow1964]

Today’s 1F15 Cardiff-Portsmouth and 1F20 Portsmouth-Cardiff are operating with 2car 158745 today.

Also looks like 1F24 Portsmouth-Cardiff (which links many of the cities at evening rush hour) is also reduced to 2car

Rather suggests rolling stock problems as couldn’t even find a 3car unit. Cardiff-Portsmouth are generally 4 or 5car formations

 

[pompeyfan]

Today’s 1F15 Cardiff-Portsmouth and 1F20 Portsmouth-Cardiff are operating with 2car 158745 today.

Also looks like 1F24 Portsmouth-Cardiff (which links many of the cities at evening rush hour) is also reduced to 2car

Rather suggests rolling stock problems as couldn’t even find a 3car unit. Cardiff-Portsmouth are generally 4 or 5car formations

The fatality at Portchester last night rendered a unit out of traffic

 

[HamworthyGoods]

The fatality at Portchester last night rendered a unit out of traffic

Which is part of the problem at the moment the west DMU fleet is so tight any problems like last night and they are a unit short for the next day.

 

[Snow1964]

Which is part of the problem at the moment the west DMU fleet is so tight any problems like last night and they are a unit short for the next day.

Or apparently at least 2 units short today, as multiple Portsmouth-Cardiff down to 2car units.

The whole west fleet seems like a house of cards, trying to rely on others releasing units which haven’t happened (for at least 3 years).
Its a shame they don’t borrow any from Reading when short, but as we all know they failed to get a serviceable 769 fleet.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Or apparently at least 2 units short today, as multiple Portsmouth-Cardiff down to 2car units.

The whole west fleet seems like a house of cards, trying to rely on others releasing units which haven’t happened (for at least 3 years).
Its a shame they don’t borrow any from Reading when short, but as we all know they failed to get a serviceable 769 fleet.

Reading is also short, they however don’t have any services to be short formed.

A pair of 150s failed earlier which was covering for a 158 on an Exeter - Penzance which I think led to something being ‘borrowed’ for the return.

The West fleet desperately needs renewing and as has been mentioned elsewhere things is being looked at as the situation you outline is sadly becoming more frequent.

 

[REVUpminster]

We're alright down here in Paignton; 3 166s and a 165 all 3 car. One more than yesterday.

Of course, they have got to get those 769s in service or admit defeat. They have with the Castle Class with some 800s (802s?) replacing them.