465912 is back and has regen / rheostatic braking!

[Class 466]

In terms of first class no longer being a thing on all Southeastern services, they are in the same pool. Not sure why the change in what sub-classes form the 10 car services is rather systematic looking.

465/9s still have 28 seperate diagrams, they are not in the same pool as the 465/0/1s.

 

[thirdraildrive]

Have you never driven a brel ?

Yes

 

[gmaguire]

I wonder if removing some of the equipment covers would result in enough airflow to prevent the resistor banks from overheating. It would be a bit of a bodge, but if it works it works. Some of the equipment covers were removed on the BREL units, but I believe that was because they wouldn't fit back on after the Hitachi upgrade.

 

[SolomonSouth]

In terms of first class no longer being a thing on all Southeastern services, they are in the same pool. Not sure why the change in what sub-classes form the 10 car services is rather systematic looking.

Even so, they still seem to like to keep /9s and BRELs separate where they can

 

[Class 466]

Even so, they still seem to like to keep /9s and BRELs separate where they can

465/9s and BRELs are booked to work in multi on all Tunbridge Wells services now.

 

[SolomonSouth]

465/9s and BRELs are booked to work in multi on all Tunbridge Wells services now.

OK.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

465/9s still have 28 seperate diagrams, they are not in the same pool as the 465/0/1s.

That should be abandoned surely

 

[Class 466]

That should be abandoned surely

Well no, they're still different to the BREL units and have a much higher mileage...

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Well no, they're still different to the BREL units and have a much higher mileage...

The use of the elipsis suggests you think such information is common knowledge Thank you for the info

 

[Jturner98]

Without drifting off the subject too much I heard that the /9 have a higher speed limit of 90mph compared to the other subclasses. Is this correct?

 

[ComUtoR]

Without drifting off the subject too much I heard that the /9 have a higher speed limit of 90mph compared to the other subclasses. Is this correct?

No

 

[brad465]

Without drifting off the subject too much I heard that the /9 have a higher speed limit of 90mph compared to the other subclasses. Is this correct?

Many years ago someone edited the 465 Wikipedia article to say 465/9s could do 90mph, but that has long been corrected.

 

[gmaguire]

Without drifting off the subject too much I heard that the /9 have a higher speed limit of 90mph compared to the other subclasses. Is this correct?

Where did you hear that? I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some truth to it. I would guess that the body was lighter than the BREL body. It could be that they are capable of 90 but limited to 75 for safety etc.

 

[MrB]

Confusion may have arisen as on RTT (& similar sites) services operated by 465s are ‘timed for 90mph‘, but the trains are only permitted to do 75

 

[SolomonSouth]

Well no, they're still different to the BREL units and have a much higher mileage...

Why would they have a much higher mileage? They were made (as /2s) just after the /0s so if anything BRELs have a slightly higher mileage

 

[skyhigh]

Why would they have a much higher mileage? They were made (as /2s) just after the /0s so if anything BRELs have a slightly higher mileage

I take no responsibility for the accuracy of this information, but from a random selection I've just checked :

Unit	Life mileage
465901	2,255,819
465910	2,255,376
465001	2,059,000
465010	2,070,806

So it does look as if the /9s have a higher total mileage.

 

[SolomonSouth]

I take no responsibility for the accuracy of this information, but from a random selection I've just checked :

Unit	Life mileage
465901	2,255,819
465910	2,255,376
465001	2,059,000
465010	2,070,806

So it does look as if the /9s have a higher total mileage.

How do you get those figures?

 

[Class 466]

Why would they have a much higher mileage? They were made (as /2s) just after the /0s so if anything BRELs have a slightly higher mileage

Years of slightly longer distance mainline work...

 

[SolomonSouth]

Years of slightly longer distance mainline work...

I do see more of them in the depots during the day though… not to mention there’s normally a pair in Faversham sidings. BRELs are used more intensively

 

[Class 466]

I do see more of them in the depots during the day though… not to mention there’s normally a pair in Faversham sidings. BRELs are used more intensively

I’m glad to know you regularly tour all the depots keeping tabs on what subfleets are doing what

 

[ComUtoR]

How do you get those figures?

TOPS, Web Gemini, Internal system ?

 

[SolomonSouth]

Anyway, does anyone know why 465912 has regen on? And do any of the others have it enabled?

TOPS, Web Gemini, Internal system ?

I'm sorry, I searched up Gemini Rail Group and nothing came up regarding 465 mileage figures. Is it possible to send me a link here?

 

[ComUtoR]

I'm sorry, I searched up Gemini Rail Group and nothing came up regarding 465 mileage figures. Is it possible to send me a link here?

Web Gemini is an industry source where you can lookup units and get some basic information. Not quite as detailed as TOPS but you can search where units are in the country.

Needs a login and I'm not 100% but it when I access it it needs to be on our company intranet.

 

[skyhigh]

How do you get those figures?

I'm sorry, I searched up Gemini Rail Group and nothing came up regarding 465 mileage figures. Is it possible to send me a link here?

It was via Gemini, but it's not public. You need a login and to be on a company device to view it.

 

[ComUtoR]

It was via Gemini, but it's not public. You need a login and to be on a company device to view it.

How did you get the mileage into a table ? I can't get any filtering options up. Just checking units/locations and then manually searching for the data.

Is there various interfaces/versions ?


Cheers in advance

 

[skyhigh]

How did you get the mileage into a table ? I can't get any filtering options up. Just checking units/locations and then manually searching for the data.

Is there various interfaces/versions ?


Cheers in advance

Just by manually searching for the data and putting it in a table on here I'm afraid. Just wanted it to look tidy

 

[SolomonSouth]

It was via Gemini, but it's not public. You need a login and to be on a company device to view it.

Ahhh OK, I'm not a rail employee so I wouldn't be able to see anyway.

 

[JammyJames08]

The rheo brake is only working up one end. Went to work on it this morning.

 

[365 Networker]

The rheo brake is only working up one end. Went to work on it this morning.

I suspect that is the resistors overheating - this was often the case with the 365s, one coach would have rheo operating and it would cut out at the other. Sometimes the rheo brakes will turn themselves back on - particularly after standing at a terminus for a while.

 

[brad465]

The rheo brake is only working up one end. Went to work on it this morning.

Yes 465912 was on the Maidstone East line today and going from VIC-MDE it was the front end with it enabled.