If an inbound service is cancelled then where are the crew going to materialise from to operate two outbound services?
Surely either of those options is massively preferable to the current situation where one of the trains would be cancelled and the other would be a 3 car service anyway?
The inbound service may be cancelled because the driver taking it from Hull is unavailable. That doesn't stop the Manchester, Liverpool or York driver who's taking over at Leeds or Manchester from getting a taxi or alternative pass ride to get to Liverpool to work the (otherwise cancelled) outbound service. It may also be a crew that are only just booking on, or have come in on a CLC service. It all depends on the train in question.
It’s not similar at all and why bring LHCS into the argument, where have I mentioned that?
I think you’ve missed the point there. Yes, having as many six car trains as possible is hugely preferable. The discussion is about what to do IF you have a six car train and not splitting it would lead to a cancellation.
So in the example that I gave, you would have preferred to cancel either the 0854 Liverpool to Hull or the 0954 Liverpool to Hull? I’m not really clear as to what you are arguing for.
Two observations:
No, that wasn't the discussion here at all. The discussion was about how ridiculous it is that TPE aren't running as many 6 car units as possible in the first place. It was you that kept banging on about one example of how a 6 car was split to prevent another service being cancelled. There have been many, many mentions on here of situations where one or even multiple services have been cancelled and the next service has been a (very busy) 3 car. That is what the discussion was about
Pre-planned or not, how does that alter the situation? Leave the 6 car train as one and you would have had to cancel either the 0854 to Hull or the 0954 to Hull. I’m afraid you will have to explain your logic there, since I honestly have no idea what you are arguing about.
Indeed. Though having read some of the comments, it makes you wonder why TPE would need Unit Controllers, everything always runs like clockworkIf TPE have vacancies for Unit Controllers then they should just look on this thread, apparently it's dead easy.
I’m largely indifferent one way or the other. I was responding to someone who suggested running Class 185s in semi-permanent pairs and gave the Tyne and Wear Metro units as an example to follow.
Piccadilly platforms 13 & 14 are closed for platform improvement works this week (and weekends in January), so services are running through non-stop. EMR/TPE through services are calling at Manchester Oxford Road with slightly extended dwells.
Absolutely no need to apologise, I saw exactly the same thing and thought it odd when I could see the services listed as departing from Cleethorpes.
Many thanks for that, as per my reply to @Killingworth I thought it was odd, but hadn’t spotted the trains were not stopping at Piccadilly!
This explained why I saw a TPE cl802 in P6 at Leeds; it had come from Liverpool and could go no further.
I believe it would require a complete re-cast for 802s to work the Airport service, as it currently goes through to Saltburn north of York, but the 802s are required on the two Newcastle services (Liverpool/Man Picc) due to timings north of York
The Class 802 units are definitely cleared for Manchester Airport. Pre-pandemic they worked the Manchester Airport to Newcastle services (December 2019 to March 2020). Since then they have worked to the Airport on the services that run along the WCML.
Thanks both. Clearly I was asleep pre-pandemic, I still thought it was 185s-only to the Airport via Ordsall!
Indeed. Though having read some of the comments, it makes you wonder why TPE would need Unit Controllers, everything always runs like clockwork
I’m largely indifferent one way or the other. I was responding to someone who suggested running Class 185s in semi-permanent pairs and gave the Tyne and Wear Metro units as an example to follow.
I gave an example that I’d seen as to why Class 185s run as 3 cars and can end up doing so for several days.
Given your oversight of train crew, do you have a similar oversight of traction and maintenance? If so, perhaps you would be better placed to give the forum the reasons for the high number of 3 car Class 185s currently running?
Many thanks for the reply, appreciated.
1630 to Lime Street.
The issue is platforming at Huddersfield- the only platform that can turn a 6-car set in either direction is P4, and this can only hold one 6-car at a time. If there's a Manchester turning back in P4, the incoming Leeds has to unload on P1 and run empty to Marsden to turn back. For the Manchester it would have to turn back at Bradley Junction.
802s are cleared for the Airport and indeed they find themselves there on a daily basis (provided there's the crew!), with one diagram on Edinburgh-Manchester Airport services.
It wasn't in December 2019 - it was a post-Covid decision. TPE never really reintroduced the Newcastle-Manchester Airport service before that decision though.
Indeed and so I can't see it ever returning.
Under which headcodes do 802s find themselves there on a daily basis in the WTT?
