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According to RTT 1V54 0806 Edinburgh - Plymouth is HST on Monday 12/12/22.
As far as Birmingham New Street on Tuesday 13th & Wednesday 14th
Plymouth on Thursday 15th
Birmingham New street on Friday 16th

Just posting what I have read so don`t all jump on me if this is wrong lol :smile:
 
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According to RTT 1V54 0806 Edinburgh - Plymouth is HST on Monday 12/12/22.
As far as Birmingham New Street on Tuesday 13th & Wednesday 14th
Plymouth on Thursday 15th
Birmingham New street on Friday 16th

Just posting what I have read so don`t all jump on me if this is wrong lol :smile:
That is just what the service is pathed as and does not reflect that it will be a HST or not. I believe this service has always been pathed as a HST but is booked as a voyager which is also the case for a few other Scotland - South West services.
 

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That is just what the service is pathed as and does not reflect that it will be a HST or not. I believe this service has always been pathed as a HST but is booked as a voyager which is also the case for a few other Scotland - South West services.

I believe from what I was told on the XC HST tour that the 08:06 Edinburgh - Plymouth and 13:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh will be booked for an HST from May 2023. Thank goodness for that as the present 2 diagrams aren't enough.
 

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That is just what the service is pathed as and does not reflect that it will be a HST or not. I believe this service has always been pathed as a HST but is booked as a voyager which is also the case for a few other Scotland - South West services.
I do check RTT a lot & don`t remember seeing that one but I may have missed it. We will know more on Sunday I suppose. See what ends up at Craigentinny :)
 

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I believe from what I was told on the XC HST tour that the 08:06 Edinburgh - Plymouth and 13:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh will be booked for an HST from May 2023. Thank goodness for that as the present 2 diagrams aren't enough.
Hopefully that includes Saturdays.
 

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I believe from what I was told on the XC HST tour that the 08:06 Edinburgh - Plymouth and 13:27 Plymouth - Edinburgh will be booked for an HST from May 2023. Thank goodness for that as the present 2 diagrams aren't enough.

Aren’t enough for what?

The world has moved on from where we were in September - All operators have now submitted annual business plans to start negotiations on efficiencies to meet inflation related real term budget reductions. That may well change the use of HSTs in XC.
 

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Aren’t enough for what?
Presumably aren't enough for ensuring that there is adequate capacity, which is correct as anyone who has recently been left behind or rammed into a vestibule due to overcrowding will testify.

Hence why the plan is/was to increase their usage to 4 diagrams per day in May. However, we all know that things have changed from a financial perspective due to the cuts demanded from operators, so the plan may well change. But that is a financial decision, not one based on the needs of passengers.
 
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Where are we XC HST usage at resent? Still only 1227 & 1527 from Plymouth operated by HST?

My Xmas plans have changed due to work and i now cant go north until either 21st or 22nd of December so trying to look at some options!
 

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Where are we XC HST usage at resent? Still only 1227 & 1527 from Plymouth operated by HST?

My Xmas plans have changed due to work and i now cant go north until either 21st or 22nd of December so trying to look at some options!
Certainly is the usual 2 diagrams today.
 

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Sorry to butt in and not read most of the thread, but are we now at only two XC HST diagrams per day? Or is it the two mentioned plus others going the other way?
Many thanks.


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Sorry to butt in and not read most of the thread, but are we now at only two XC HST diagrams per day? Or is it the two mentioned plus others going the other way?
Many thanks.


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From what i understand there is a 0611 from Leeds to Plymouth and a 0606 from Edinburgh to Plymouth. ( although the line is blocked today somewhere past Exeter so they aren't running through today)
 

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thanks - i hope the other trains are doubled up as much as possible!
Unfortunately not. I've noticed in recent weeks things have actually gone backwards in terms of capacity.
Take a few examples from yesterday, Tues. 20th.

Birmingham New Street, 1203 Glasgow and 1303 Edinburgh - both 4-car Voyagers.
Leeds, 1711 Bristol and 1811 Plymouth - both 4-car Voyagers.

The two from Leeds, perhaps the busiest trains in the evening peak and it's despicable that they've been reduced to that after being doubled up previously.
 

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Unfortunately not. I've noticed in recent weeks things have actually gone backwards in terms of capacity.
Take a few examples from yesterday, Tues. 20th.

Birmingham New Street, 1203 Glasgow and 1303 Edinburgh - both 4-car Voyagers.
Leeds, 1711 Bristol and 1811 Plymouth - both 4-car Voyagers.

The two from Leeds, perhaps the busiest trains in the evening peak and it's despicable that they've been reduced to that after being doubled up previously.
It does feel alot like the Manchester to Bournemouth route is the only one that matters to XC now....
 

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This is the thing with CrossCountry slowly reintroducing their pre-Covid timetable, it’s all or nothing.

You can either run the post-2020 timetable with half the frequency and double the train length, or the pre-Covid timetable. Any inbetween, i.e. reintroducing some Manchester to Bristol services and services at the extremety of the network will result in a single Voyager running in hours where pre-Covid there would have been two trains per hour pre-Covid due to the lack of stock to run a double Voyager.

Personally, I don’t think a drastic push to reintroduce the full pre-Covid timetable will happen until more stock will be available, i.e. an extra HST diagram or two or Avanti’s Voyagers, so that a decently sized train can be resourced to operate in hours where the service provision is down compared to pre-Covid.
 

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It does feel alot like the Manchester to Bournemouth route is the only one that matters to XC now....

It didn't feel like it when I travelled with XC from Reading to Banbury a couple of months ago. Full & a few standing 4 car Voyager from Reading, full & a lot standing from Banbury, where I was pleased to alight.

On the way back, at Banbury station I found both the southbound train to Reading & the northbound to Birmingham were cancelled with an hour to wait for the next XC one.

At least the Plymouth route still has a handful of HSTs, but looking from my own selfish perspective, I do wish they were northbound in the morning, and southbound in the afternoon (rather than the other way round) so I could actually get to use one occasionally.
 

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Does anyone happen to have any intel on 43184? As far as I’m aware it was only out for a couple of months after being repainted into IC exec and now I think it’s back at Laira (?). I haven’t seen it out for over a month now. Is it undergoing more repairs? Cheers
 

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One other thing - What's happened to 1V54 08:06 Edinburgh to Plymouth?

Monday: 2x220
Tuesday: 1x221
Wednesday: 1x220

Is it still booked for an HST or is it formed of whatever Voyager CrossCountry can resource from Craigentinny?
 

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That isn't normally a HST turn. Its 1V50 the 0606 which is normally a HST
 

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Next week, Wed,Thur,Fri. 1S43 0725 Plym - York and 1V62 1445 York - Plym, is booked HST.
 

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I appreciate changes may well occur between now and May, however in the May 2023 WTT, 1S51 1227 PLY-EDB as it is now, shows as continuing to Glasgow Central as years gone by. I haven't clocked any other noteworthy changes to what are the current HST diagrams going forward.

1S51 1227 Plymouth to Glasgow Central 2213 (22/05/2023)


I also checked realtime trains like yesterday for May 22nd in a few months time.

I know 'pathed as' doesn't mean booked for but I'm quite suspicious but in a curious way...

The 11:27 PLY - EDB should be a Voyager as its formed after the 06:10 from Derby.

The 13:27 PLY - EDB should be the HST as its formed after the 06:45 from York.

Also, when the 08:06 EDB - PLY arrives at Plymouth at 16:48, the train then works the 17:23 back to Leeds.

So the HST diagrams could be as follows...

(The usual)
06:12 LDS - PLY 11:48
12:27 PLY - GLC 22:13

06:06 EDB - PLY 14:48
15:27 PLY - LDS 21:02

08:06 EDB - PLY 16:48
17:23 PLY - LDS 23:34

06:45 YRK - PLY 12:48
13:27 PLY - EDB 22:13

I wouldn't be surprised if CrossCountry was able to do this after previously deciding for the 16:48 arrival at Plymouth to run ECS Laira and for the 13:27 from Plymouth to run ECS from Laira!
 

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I appreciate changes may well occur between now and May, however in the May 2023 WTT, 1S51 1227 PLY-EDB as it is now, shows as continuing to Glasgow Central as years gone by. I haven't clocked any other noteworthy changes to what are the current HST diagrams going forward.

1S51 1227 Plymouth to Glasgow Central 2213 (22/05/2023)

As far as diagrams including depot movements are concerned, the usual possible three still seem to be possible to be worked by HSTs (those starting as 1V44, 1V50 and 1V54 southbound), although at the moment the later seems to be a Voyager working. Hopefully with the uplift in CrossCountry services from the timetable change the later will once again be an HST.
 

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Its about time the Saturday run reverts back to Paignton in the summer too as in the past...:D

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I also checked realtime trains like yesterday for May 22nd in a few months time.

I know 'pathed as' doesn't mean booked for but I'm quite suspicious but in a curious way...

The 11:27 PLY - EDB should be a Voyager as its formed after the 06:10 from Derby.

The 13:27 PLY - EDB should be the HST as its formed after the 06:45 from York.

Also, when the 08:06 EDB - PLY arrives at Plymouth at 16:48, the train then works the 17:23 back to Leeds.

So the HST diagrams could be as follows...

(The usual)
06:12 LDS - PLY 11:48
12:27 PLY - GLC 22:13

06:06 EDB - PLY 14:48
15:27 PLY - LDS 21:02

08:06 EDB - PLY 16:48
17:23 PLY - LDS 23:34

06:45 YRK - PLY 12:48
13:27 PLY - EDB 22:13

I wouldn't be surprised if CrossCountry was able to do this after previously deciding for the 16:48 arrival at Plymouth to run ECS Laira and for the 13:27 from Plymouth to run ECS from Laira!
I'd be surprised if they run four all-day diagrams from May as a) there's not a cat in hell's chance of the C6 programme at Wabtec being complete by then and b) as none of the sets start or finish at Laira, there will have to be a swap-out set and I can't see LA being able to guarantee the maintenance set being able to swap out.
 

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I'd be surprised if they run four all-day diagrams from May as a) there's not a cat in hell's chance of the C6 programme at Wabtec being complete by then and b) as none of the sets start or finish at Laira, there will have to be a swap-out set and I can't see LA being able to guarantee the maintenance set being able to swap out.
It does seem odd this XC obsession with the HSTs having to start their day in the north. Fine if your a northerner , but for those of us down south , it'd be nice to have one train in the morning that allows a reasonable arrival time in the north that was formed of decent traction.
 

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It does seem odd this XC obsession with the HSTs having to start their day in the north. Fine if your a northerner , but for those of us down south , it'd be nice to have one train in the morning that allows a reasonable arrival time in the north that was formed of decent traction.
The main reason for those diagrams if I recall correctly is to have the sets on the busiest arrivals/departures at New Street. In particular 1S51 needs the capacity of the HST as it’s a peak time departure from both New Street and Leeds, so it doesn’t properly empty out until Newcastle. Additionally there’s only one other suitable diagram from Laira - an out and back Edinburgh working on 1S37/1V68. It wouldn’t surprise me if 1V46/1S53 remained Voyager operated in practice, with occasional unbooked HST appearances on 1S37/1V68.
 
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