Scotrail12
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Once again proves the old saying - karma's a bitch.
There’s no clear successor is there? Like her or not she is a talented politician and I’m not sure who else the SNP has in reserve.
They do much better (but still win) in Westminster elections than they do in Scotland only elections don't they?So many experts here yet the SNP keep winning elections in Scotland. How is it possible for them ( and Sturgeon) to be both spectacularly successful and spectacularly incompetent at the same time?
I wonder if it’s the other way around — having (possibly) decided to resign spurred her to announce a policy she personally thought was right but knew wasn’t politically wise.The trans prisoner thing wasn’t what finished her off but it did make her look beleaguered and isolated
Bear in mind that in Westminster they're elected on pure first-past-the-post, whereas it's the additional member system that is used at Holyrood.They do much better (but still win) in Westminster elections than they do in Scotland only elections don't they?
Maybe people are more inclined to vote for what they actually believe in in Scottish elections but when it comes to the UK as a whole they want Scotland represented more on a national stage than most other things.
A LOAN made by Nicola Sturgeon’s husband to the SNP to help bail out its finances broke reporting rules on three separate occasions, it has emerged.
Files released to the Herald by the Electoral Commission show the £107,620 loaned by Peter Murrell, the party’s chief executive, led to multiple “compliance issues”.
Ms Sturgeon was yesterday mocked after saying she “can’t recall” when she first learned her husband gave the party she leads a six-figure sum.
I’m not sure if it’s even possible, but could the Westminster leader also be the SNP leader?There’s no clear successor is there? Like her or not she is a talented politician and I’m not sure who else the SNP has in reserve.
I'd not considered this, thanks.Bear in mind that in Westminster they're elected on pure first-past-the-post, whereas it's the additional member system that is used at Holyrood.
You have to be MSP to be First Minister.I’m not sure if it’s even possible, but could the Westminster leader also be the SNP leader?
Forbes is a Presbyterian and anti-abortionist who abstained on the trans vote in Scotland. This should be interesting.Kate Forbes is being tipped as the next leader and First Minister.
Whoever it is, it'll have to be an existing MSP as Sturgeon isn't resigning her seat. I briefly consider that Ian Blackford might throw his hat into the ring since he stepped down as the Westminster group leader recently, but that would require someone else to stand down and I can't see that happening.There’s no clear successor is there? Like her or not she is a talented politician and I’m not sure who else the SNP has in reserve.
It's possible - Alex Salmond was party leader while holding a Westminster seat, but the First Minister needs to be an MSP. He stood for the Scottish Parliament and was elected before he became FM.I’m not sure if it’s even possible, but could the Westminster leader also be the SNP leader?
Forbes is an evangelical in addition to being SNP so it's a no thanks from me. I'd rather someone who was pro gay marriage and abortion, absolutely no time for anyone with views otherwise.
You can of course counter this by saying that many people did want clear instruction over things like COVID even if they didn't necessarily like all of it.
There is a general libertarian leaning here (which is in some ways odd because libertarianism tends to favour cars over public transport due to the freedom cars provide) which was quite apparent in the threads in the COVID subforum but I wouldn't necessarily assume that that is the overriding political view in Scotland. Indeed I suspect it isn't because of the success of the SNP, unless one thinks that people put up with the authoritarian aspects of the SNP in order to further independence?
(Note: COVID is being used as an example here because I think it's quite a good one, but it is not intended to create a debate on COVID restrictions - there are dedicated threads for that so please reply to those if you do wish to!)
I too can't see someone further right getting anywhere in typically left-wing Scotland. Those views are further right than your average Tory (as distinct from the current ones which are further right than usual), and Scotland generally doesn't "do" Tory. It would be a good development for Labour, though.
As an aside, like her or loathe her (I'm fairly 50-50), she's just given an excellent speech and is answering questions honestly and openly - she has a level of honesty and "to the point" approach that few other politicians do even if you don't agree with her actual politics. The only other recentish politician that jumps immediately to mind as having that (and I very much didn't agree with her politics) is Thatcher.
Nobody mentioned racism prior to your messageI’m confused by this reply. The definition is lifted from a search on the internet.
Only a racist is obsessed with race.Nobody mentioned racism prior to your message
Not forgetting the £500m ferry fiasco where SNP continue to avoid taking any responsibility for the wasted money and the undermining of the ferry services which are now causing real issues for outlying communities due to lack of operational vessels.
Forbes is an evangelical in addition to being SNP so it's a no thanks from me. I'd rather someone who was pro gay marriage and abortion, absolutely no time for anyone with views otherwise.
So many experts here yet the SNP keep winning elections in Scotland. How is it possible for them ( and Sturgeon) to be both spectacularly successful and spectacularly incompetent at the same time?
A bit like UKIP really.If your whole policy direction is determined by being Tommy Opposite and cultivating difference and division, at some point it will work out badly. Her successor won't fare any better. The whole party is just about "independence".
Probably because of voting for "the least worst" option. I suspect this is true of the SNP; NI is arguably an even stronger case of this, where they say things like "keep them-uns out."I also wonder the same. It's interesting that the people saying this don't have the same opinion about the DUP leadership in NI, despite them being absolutely dreadful in so many ways.
100% correct. Every vote here is a constitutial one. I'd rather people here had a choice between Labour and Conservative, but while there's the threat of constitutial change it'll stay the same, Orange or Green.Probably because of voting for "the least worst" option. I suspect this is true of the SNP; NI is arguably an even stronger case of this, where they say things like "keep them-uns out."
The DUP need to be booted to somewhere around Alpha Centauri... bit off topic for this thread but they are well and truly dragging NI down into the mire, but people still vote for them because they don't like the other side.I also wonder the same. It's interesting that the people saying this don't have the same opinion about the DUP leadership in NI, despite them being absolutely dreadful in so many ways.
The amount of abuse and insults that she's had to endure from English voters was beyond the pale however.
The SNP have won every single election since 2007. How is that "working out badly"?
However I am not convinced any successor will be much better.
I was wondering whether some imminent development on that front had prompted today's announcement. If so it will presumably become evident before long. I no longer have the relevant PE issues either, but I think I recall some suggestion that moneys donated to the party had not been adequately accounted for, and that that came under Ms Sturgeon's husband's remit. There doesn't seem to have been much more recent mention though, so there may be nothing in it.There has been chat in Private Eye about the finances of the SNP. it is worth looking out.
EDIT - sadly i cant find the Private Eye edition with the details in but some details have appeared in the Herald:
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SNP loan from Sturgeon's husband led to multiple rule breaches
A LOAN made by Nicola Sturgeon’s husband to the SNP to help bail out its finances broke reporting rules on three separate occasions, it has…www.heraldscotland.com