Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates

[py_megapixel]

Not for a while yet I’d say. Think it’s been pushed back to summer due to delays with Scottish Power being able to get their feeder cable in due to poor ground conditions due to bad weather

What does Scottish Power have to do with anything?

 

[Skie]

What does Scottish Power have to do with anything?

You want lights at your stations, right?

SP are the DNO for Merseyside/North Wales

 

[krus_aragon]

You want lights at your stations, right?

SP are the DNO for Merseyside/North Wales

I.E. they're the successor to MANWEB, the Merseyside And North Wales Electricity Board.

 

[DJH1971]

Is the move of 2 more 777s to Kirkdale today still on?

 

[rjennings]

20142 / 20189 leading from Birmingham New Street with barrier vans 017-6 / 018-4 with 43480 / 43568 on the rear.

Realtime Trains | 6Z76 1036 Kings Norton Ot Plant Dept to Crewe C.S. | 05/03/2023

Real-time train running information for 6Z76 1036 departure from Kings Norton Ot Plant Dept to Crewe C.S. on 05/03/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Elecman]

You want lights at your stations, right?

SP are the DNO for Merseyside/North Wales

Technically SPEN ( Scottish Power Energy Networks) is the DNO. Rather than just SP . Thier Retail arm is SPERL ( Scottish Power Retail )

 

[JonathanH]

Is the move of 2 more 777s to Kirkdale today still on?

Yes. They have been picked up from Crewe. The second of the units in the formation was 777012. Didn't get the first.

 

[Phil Scott]

Has it been revealed yet which other 777s will be 777/1s? Thanks

 

[86247]

Passed lea green it was 777012 777016.

 

[315801]

If I am right on this and its possible I might also be wrong, apparently it's the even numbered units which have been selected to run the service beyond Kirkby.

This would make it 777140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 & 152, I think this has been asked before on this thread but not sure on what page it was asked.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

If I am right on this and its possible I might also be wrong, apparently it's the even numbered units which have been selected to run the service beyond Kirkby.

This would make it 777140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 & 152, I think this has been asked before on this thread but not sure on what page it was asked.

Do you know where you got that info from? Wikipedia doesn't list any beyond 140 (which was at InnoTrains)
But that even numbered pattern would work quite well (Although I'd prefer if it was just 777101-108)

 

[Phil Scott]

If I am right on this and its possible I might also be wrong, apparently it's the even numbered units which have been selected to run the service beyond Kirkby.

This would make it 777140, 142, 144, 146, 148, 150 & 152, I think this has been asked before on this thread but not sure on what page it was asked.

Thanks. Presumably they've done it like this so that they can just renumber the 7770xx to 7771xx if they fit any more with batteries.

Out of interest, do the individual coach numbers of 777140 end with xxx140 or xxx040? Thanks

 

[315801]

All I know was that it was mentioned somewhere on this thread that it would be the even numbered 777s that I listed which would be going beyond Kirkby.

Unfortunately I do not know the individual coach numbers carried by 777140

 

[XAM2175]

Out of interest, do the individual coach numbers of 777140 end with xxx140 or xxx040? Thanks

It was marked with vehicle numbers ending 140 when it was at InnoTrans, but that's not necessarily official.

 

[8A Rail]

Do you know where you got that info from? Wikipedia doesn't list any beyond 140 (which was at InnoTrains)
But that even numbered pattern would work quite well (Although I'd prefer if it was just 777101-108)

Just to clarify that any info on Wikipedia is only as good as the information that is uploaded by any individual who types it in whether that information is right, wrong or in between. So read it with caution and may not be upto date either.

It has been confirmed that the original numbers for the Merseyrail Class 777's were numbered from 777701 to 777053. It was originally thought that No 777047 to 053 were going to be the battery fitted ones. My understanding, since then has been amended for the battery fitted ones to be Class 777/1 with No 777040, renumbered to 777140 and the remaining even number ones (upto 052) afterwards to be Class 777/1.

In then meantime, No 20142 / 20189 with assistance of Class 43, No 43468 & 43480 delivered Class 777, No 777012 and 016 to Kirkdale Depot late this afternoon on 6Q77 ex Crewe CS. This leaves four Units remaining at Crewe. Updated location list below:

Kirkdale C.S. = 001, 003, 004, 007, 008, 009, 010, 012, 013, 015, 016, 018, 049 and 140.
Crewe C.S. = 002, 005, 006, and 014.

Edit (19:45hrs): For some unknown reason, missed 004 being at Kirkdale, list now amended.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Just to clarify that any info on Wikipedia is only as good as the information that is uploaded by any individual who types it in whether that information is right, wrong or in between. So read it with caution and may not be upto date either.

It has been confirmed that the original numbers for the Merseyrail Class 777's were numbered from 777701 to 777053. It was originally thought that No 777047 to 053 were going to be the battery fitted ones. My understanding, since then has been amended for the battery fitted ones to be Class 777/1 with No 777040, renumbered to 777140 and the remaining even number ones (upto 052) afterwards to be Class 777/1.

In then meantime, No 20142 / 20189 with assistance of Class 43, No 43468 & 43480 delivered Class 777, No 777012 and 016 to Kirkdale Depot late this afternoon on 6Q77 ex Crewe CS. This leaves five Units remaining at Crewe. Updated location list below:

Kirkdale C.S. = 001, 003, 007, 008, 009, 010, 012, 013, 015, 016, 018, 049 and 140.
Crewe C.S. = 002, 004, 005, 006, and 014.

With more 777s having arrived from Crewe today, can we expect a couple more 508s to go off lease and scrapped soon?

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Just to clarify that any info on Wikipedia is only as good as the information that is uploaded by any individual who types it in whether that information is right, wrong or in between. So read it with caution and may not be upto date either.

Indeed, that is why I asked here.
Having it up to date is something I'd want to do but I don't think I can use this chat as a "reliable source".

 

[Zontar]

20142 / 20189 leading from Birmingham New Street with barrier vans 017-6 / 018-4 with 43480 / 43568 on the rear.

Realtime Trains | 6Z76 1036 Kings Norton Ot Plant Dept to Crewe C.S. | 05/03/2023

Real-time train running information for 6Z76 1036 departure from Kings Norton Ot Plant Dept to Crewe C.S. on 05/03/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

I saw this up at Warrington today. Took me by surprise as such an unusual rake!

 

[D821]

Indeed, that is why I asked here.
Having it up to date is something I'd want to do but I don't think I can use this chat as a "reliable source".

I've seen several instances of people updating unit info on wikipedia using speculation on here as a source. Thankfully, most of that stuff gets removed from wikipedia, but its always worth checking the source.

 

[Ribbleman]

Delivery seen here at Bank Hall, having just reversed at Bootle Junction.

 

[mcnw35282]

What does Scottish Power have to do with anything?

The trains may be running on batteries, but the station won't be! Where do you think the electricity is coming from?

 

[_toommm_]

Is the second powercar and the 20s dead in transit in these runs? If not, the acceleration must be amazing.

 

[XAM2175]

Just to clarify that any info on Wikipedia is only as good as the information that is uploaded by any individual who types it in whether that information is right, wrong or in between. So read it with caution and may not be upto date either.

Indeed, that is why I asked here.
Having it up to date is something I'd want to do but I don't think I can use this chat as a "reliable source".

Wikipedia lists 777140 as the sole confirmed /1 so far precisely because it's the one that was shown at InnoTrans. It's cited - as can be seen by anybody who cares to check - to this Modern Railways article:

Stadler shows trains for the UK at InnoTrans

TfW tram-train and tri-mode and Merseyrail battery EMU on display

www.modernrailways.com

No further numbers are listed because it appears that they have not been satisfactorily confirmed.

 

[py_megapixel]

The trains may be running on batteries, but the station won't be! Where do you think the electricity is coming from?

Given the station isn't in Scotland, someone other than Scottish Power would have been my initial assumption!

 

[Zontar]

Delivery seen here at Bank Hall, having just reversed at Bootle Junction.

Great photo. Any of the class 20?

 

[86247]

Took these pictures at lea green not seen a 20 in years

 

[LPJOHN]

Taken at Sandhills this afternoon.

 

[The_Train]

Crewe C.S. = 002, 005, 006, and 014.

Anyone know when 014 went back to Crewe please?

 

[Skie]

It has been confirmed that the original numbers for the Merseyrail Class 777's were numbered from 777701 to 777053. It was originally thought that No 777047 to 053 were going to be the battery fitted ones. My understanding, since then has been amended for the battery fitted ones to be Class 777/1 with No 777040, renumbered to 777140 and the remaining even number ones (upto 052) afterwards to be Class 777/1.

Just to add, the reason for the numbering is pretty simple:

Even numbered trains are built in Switzerland whilst odd numbered units are built in Poland. The Swiss factory is the only one producing the traction battery variant, so the traction battery equipped units will all have even numbers.

 

[Elecman]

Given the station isn't in Scotland, someone other than Scottish Power would have been my initial assumption!

Scottish Power Energy Networks is the Distribution Network Operator for Merseyside ( formerly MANWEB )