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We are after some advice regarding firstly travel from Bratislava (in neighbouring Slovakia) to Prague and secondly for day trips from Prague.

On the first day, a Friday, we have all day to get between Bratislava and Prague and would like to do something a bit 'different' to the main line. We are happy to leave any time from around 0930 onwards and can arrive any time but no later than around 2000.

We also have a Saturday to do a day trip from Prague and in particular we'd be interested to hear of which workings are likely to be hauled by the 749 class "Grumpy" locos; I understand many (or all?) such workings are operated by KŽC?

We also have a full Sunday spare for another round trip from Prague and most of a Monday (until around 1700).

Of particular interest would be the older diesel railcars such as the Class 810s, and of course locomotive trains (especially if the rolling stock has opening windows, and even better if it contains compartment stock).

Any suggestions for particular trains to get, and/or routes we should consider taking, would be most welcome.

Many thanks in advance :)
 
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We are after some advice regarding firstly travel from Bratislava (in neighbouring Slovakia) to Prague and secondly for day trips from Prague.

On the first day, a Friday, we have all day to get between Bratislava and Prague and would like to do something a bit 'different' to the main line. We are happy to leave any time from around 0930 onwards and can arrive any time but no later than around 2000.
I was going to suggest you could go the long way round via Veselí nad Lužnicí and Tabor, but it looks like it is bustituted for some of the spring which is a shame, as I was thinking you could stop off in Tábor and do the line to Bechyně, which is a throwback to olden days, being the only line in Czech electrified at 1500V DC and uses centre-cab electric locos hauling trailers. You could do this as a day trip from Prague if you wanted (and the leg from/to Prague is also loco hauled). Other alternatives would be to go up from Břeclav on the line towards Přerov (as an example of stuff you could jump off for, there's a 2-hourly service from Luhačovice to Prague that joins the main line at Staré Město u Uherského Hradiště which swaps locos at the junction where the old diesel comes off and a modern Vectron electric comes on), or go to Brno and go up to Přerov from there on the RegioJet service (Interrails are valid as it is a franchised service; traction normally a TRAXX electric loco).
We also have a Saturday to do a day trip from Prague and in particular we'd be interested to hear of which workings are likely to be hauled by the 749 class "Grumpy" locos; I understand many (or all?) such workings are operated by KŽC?
I'll paste in below what has been posted on the CDgen groups.io mailing list for what is planned this year for the summer tourist trains. Both KŽC and ČD will be using their 749s if it goes as planned. As always there is the https://sledovani.55p.cz/ site that has loco and unit allocations, usually reported by enthusiasts; it's a great way of tracking down what's allocated and will give you an idea of what is working what if you look at previous weekends.
We also have a full Sunday spare for another round trip from Prague and most of a Monday (until around 1700).

Of particular interest would be the older diesel railcars such as the Class 810s, and of course locomotive trains (especially if the rolling stock has opening windows, and even better if it contains compartment stock).

Any suggestions for particular trains to get, and/or routes we should consider taking, would be most welcome.

Many thanks in advance :)
Having a look at the https://sledovani.55p.cz/ site might help identifying what you might want to do (you can be lost for hours in it!); the Bechyně line mentioned above is one suggestion.

The summer dated working for KŽC and ČD are below...

ČD

Blatna (26/3 to 30/10)

Class 749 or 754. Train runs via Rudna (JR173) as per last year. Train stops additionally this year at Hudcice south of Breznice.

JR212 (26/3 to 30/10)

Class 754 or 749 Cercany to Zruc / Ledec. Os9215 / 9216 on Sundays are the only hauled trains between Zruc and Ledec.

Cyklohracek (26/3 to 30/10)

Class 714 (714217 will be the booked loco) Praha hlavni to Slany or Zlonice.

Decin to Mikulasovice (2/4 to 30/10)

Class 714. The old trailers they used last year have now been withdrawn, this year booked for 2xBdtn. Trains involved are Sp1965 / Os26002 / Sp1967. Os26002 is the only hauled train between Pansky and Rumburk (JR084)


Cesky Raj (26/3 to 30/10)

Class 854. The Cesky Raj is the only booked service between Nymburk mesto and Veleliby.


Tabor to Bechyne (18/6 to 11/9)

Not confirmed, but based on previous years I expect a class 100 to be used on four returns from Tabor to Bechyne (0905 / 1105 / 1305 / 1506 from Tabor)


Lednice (30/4 to 10/9)

DMU Breclav to Lednice. On 21/5 and 10/9 steam is used.


Mladec (18/6 to 28/9)

DMU Litovel to Mladec.


Rozmital (dates t.b.c.)

CD are expected to operate branch services from Breznice following withdrawal of regular services (JR204).



KŽC

Three hauled trains and three 749’s. I am guessing that if short of 749’s, the train to Kralovice will be a small loco, i.e. their 721 or 740.

Luzickohorsky rychlik (26/3 to 30/10)


Class 749 Praha Vrsovice to Mikulasovice. Train stops additionally at Ceska Lipa, no longer stops at Nova Hut.

Kokorinsky rychlik (26/3 to 30/10)


Class 749 Praha Vrsovice to Mseno.

Rakovnicky rychlik (26/3 to 30/10)


Class 749 Praha hlavni to Kralovice u Rakovnika. Extended from Rakovnik to Kralovice. There are a few pubs in town to while away the 2 hours 42 minutes you have at Kralovice. There is a bus at 1358 from Kralovice to Plzen in case that is useful. The bus runs via Plasy where there is an excellent brewery.


Posazavsky motoracek (26/3 to 2/10)

Expected to be a vintage DMU. Only runs as far as Tynec this year.


Podripsky motoracek (2/4 to 30/10)

Vintage DMU Roudnice to Libochovice.


Kamenicky motoracek (2/4 to 30/10, also SX 30/5 to 30/9)

Either 810 DMU or microgronk Ceska Kamenice to Kamenicky Senov. Last year it was solid 810 AFAIK, but maybe this year they will actually get the gronk out.


Podkrusnohorsky motoracek (2/4 to 30/10)

810 DMU Decin to Telnice. The service actually starts the weekend before with a vintage DMU although it isn't shown on the idos public transport planner.


Prazsky motoracek (all year except Christmas / New Year)

DMU (Cakovice) Praha hlavni to Praha Zlicin.


Note that week by week alterations due to engineering work are shown on the KZC website a few days before they take effect. Judging by previous years we can expect to see the Mseno diverted via Kralupy at some point, and the Mikulasovice diverted via either Kralupy or Nymburk mesto. Note the line around Praha Vysocany is being rebuilt at the moment, so blocks or restrictions are quite likely.
 

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For some reason that list doesn't include the Prague-Cercany (JR212) trains one of which is booked 749, though ISTR the Blatna is the better bet (and the back route via Rudna is steep...).

Opening windows are becoming rare but the 0700-ish relief from Plzen to Zelezna Ruda is one (doesn't run till June though).

However the Brno-Jihlava-CB-Plzen trains still have them (and one coach is an AB - CK to us - with wide 2nd compartments as they are ex 1sts).

Suggestion for the first day:

Bratislava-Brno-Jihlava (75× diesel) then either via H Brod and the temporary main line or on to C Bud and take the back route (JR200).

You can do that via H Cerekev-Tabor-Pisek allowing you to do Bechyne too, but I suspect that's taken you well into the evening!

Have you done the JIndrichuv Hradec narrow gauge? Or visited the Luzna museum near Rakovnik?

Another Goggles possibility for Monday if time allows is Hradec Kralove-Trutnov, then unit (814, sorry) to Adrspach where there are some quite spectacular rock formations, well worth it. But I have read something about engineering up that way....
 

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Hi @yorkie feel free to message me about the Czech Republic as I have a fair bit of experience there.
 

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The only compos on KZC at the moment is the Mseno, as the extended Rakovnik is booked opens. You can hike/taxi to Pivovar Lovec from Mseno as little else to do. The Blatna has a half brake but the compos are reserved for bikeveg, on paper, you're expected to use the two hopper coaches without one. Again, Blatna is not really a thriving place for the day.

Plenty of aircon compos on the mainline, but old B249s are pretty limited now even on the Bud and Brno R trains due to displacement of modern/modernised stock. Brno-Plzen is an outpost but the trains are usually wedged around weekends.

Check for buses as ever, are blocks and buses all over the place.
 

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Brno-Plzen is an outpost but the trains are usually wedged around weekends.
Interesting - I have twice found the AB quiet (on the eastern half) when the rest was heaving, probably because it was beyond the van section.
 

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Some practical hints-I just answered someone for Praha/DPP and senior discounts-see above.
PID=the local regional transport organisator still offers printed pocket timetables, grouped for lines, there are 8 and readily in the Praha HN=hlavni Nadrazi, now grossly turned into yet another shopping centre. There is also besides CD and RegioJet and LEO an office of PID with ample printed maps and info.
Those old, but renovated and even in blue/cream 810 on nearly all local diesel lines are now ´Regio Mouse´. Since late last yr quite a few of such lines have been installed, some even without any bustitute as demand was so low.
 

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Is the all lines ticket accepted on any of the KZC trains?

I remember on a previous trip they accepted a Bohemian area rover which some of us held but wouldn't give a a FIP discount to a member of our group who was buying individual tickets.
 

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Is the all lines ticket accepted on any of the KZC trains?

I remember on a previous trip they accepted a Bohemian area rover which some of us held but wouldn't give a a FIP discount to a member of our group who was buying individual tickets.
If you mean the CD all line, then no obviously not KZC don't accept CD tickets, being not CD and all that. I've no idea why anyone would attempt FIP on them, always some... Send them on the Slany where they can keep their toys in the ballpit nice and valid on CD/FIP.
 

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I definitely remember people were able to use the Bohemian area ticket on those trains about 3 years ago. Maybe they accept those area based tickets but not the all lines ticket? Or maybe they don't accept them any more.
 

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I definitely remember people were able to use the Bohemian area ticket on those trains about 3 years ago. Maybe they accept those area based tickets but not the all lines ticket? Or maybe they don't accept them any more.
They certainly accept the Greater Prague tickets and other PTE-type tickets. I see no reference to Oneticket though.
 

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Thanks all for the advice.

We caught two Grumpies yesterday and I see the Blatna is Grumpy hauled today.

On a previous visit in September 2019, I caught a train Praha Bubny and Veleslavin (for the airport) and it was loco hauled; are any of the trains on that route still loco hauled?
 

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Perhaps you could respond to the previous advice about what was out given nothing here or on ERG. Is 749264 loud this year?
 

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Perhaps you could respond to the previous advice about what was out given nothing here or on ERG. Is 749264 loud this year?
I don't understand what you are trying to say, but to answer your question, the loco's reaction motors were loud but the engine wasn't.
 

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Thanks all for the advice.

We caught two Grumpies yesterday and I see the Blatna is Grumpy hauled today.

On a previous visit in September 2019, I caught a train Praha Bubny and Veleslavin (for the airport) and it was loco hauled; are any of the trains on that route still loco hauled?
The Rakovnik push-pulls are sadly no more - Arriva got the contract and use units :(

If you have a way of translating, then http://sledovani.55p.cz/
is very handy. When you click on a link it takes you to a page with the actual workings, but from there clicking on the next heading to the right (mine autotranslates as "performance overview") at the top gives you a page with routes and times instead of just train numbers.
 

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The Rakovnik push-pulls are sadly no more - Arriva got the contract and use units :(

If you have a way of translating, then http://sledovani.55p.cz/
is very handy. When you click on a link it takes you to a page with the actual workings, but from there clicking on the next heading to the right (mine autotranslates as "performance overview") at the top gives you a page with routes and times instead of just train numbers.
As an alternative way of getting info, if you hover over the service number ("headcode" in UK speak!) in the default view with your mouse, or click the service number if on a tablet/phone then it will give the details of what that service is. But agreed what you have said is a good way of getting the diagram information.
 

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As an alternative way of getting info, if you hover over the service number ("headcode" in UK speak!) in the default view with your mouse, or click the service number if on a tablet/phone then it will give the details of what that service is. But agreed what you have said is a good way of getting the diagram information.
So you can, never noticed - thanks.
 

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Hello!

Just wondering if the information in this thread remains relevant or if the interesting services from the point of view of loco hauled or interesting units like the 810 has changed? Also just interested in anyone has suggestions for good day trips from the Prague area either for scenic lines or interesting traction (or both!) this would be for a Friday/Saturday if that makes a difference at some point in the next month or so. On the Sunday we have to get over to Nuremburg if anyone has any suggestions on ways of doing that that might be more interesting that just going via the direct route?

Thanks in advance :)
 

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I haven't been there since August but I'm not aware of any changes apart from sections of new line on the C Bud route (BTW the ECs and some ICs on that line have bistro cars, unlike to Plzen.

Alternative route to Germany: 1 via Zelezna Ruda (through trains are hauled but a/c) then DMU to Plattling.
2. Possibly to Nove Udoli then bus to Waldkirchen and the Waldbahn - think it starts May 1, otherwise it's bus to Passau. Requires luck with timetables!
 

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Spookily Prague to Nuremberg is a journey I’ve already planned for later this year. My trains are:
09.25 Prague to Karlovy Vary (12.44)
16.23 Karlovy Vary to Cheb (17.17)
17.36 Cheb to Nuremberg (19.22)
Don’t know what the types of trains are involved as that doesn’t concern me too much, but Karlovy Vary looks an interesting town to break the journey.
 

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Spookily Prague to Nuremberg is a journey I’ve already planned for later this year. My trains are:
09.25 Prague to Karlovy Vary (12.44)
16.23 Karlovy Vary to Cheb (17.17)
17.36 Cheb to Nuremberg (19.22)
Don’t know what the types of trains are involved as that doesn’t concern me too much, but Karlovy Vary looks an interesting town to break the journey.
The train from Prague is loco-hauled and is currently diagrammed for a Class 371 loco to Usti nad Labem, where the train reverses and has a loco change to a Vectron.
 

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I ended up doing Prague - Karlovy Vary - Cheb - Hof - Bamberg - Nürnberg - (Augsburg) last year. Bamberg is a nice place for a wander.

Another option is Prague - Karlovy Vary - Johanngeorgenstadt - Zwickau - Hof - Nürnberg.
 

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The train from Prague is loco-hauled and is currently diagrammed for a Class 371 loco to Usti nad Labem, where the train reverses and has a loco change to a Vectron.
Thanks. These Vectrons get everywhere!
 

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Thanks. These Vectrons get everywhere!
Indeed! CD have 27 currently, with another 12 due this year and 22 next year (all bar one leased). And that's before their own order for 50 of the 230km/h version starts being built.

Good to see new locomotives being built for passenger trains, though.
 

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Thanks. These Vectrons get everywhere!
Your train from Karlovy Vary should be a Class 650 RegioPanter unit (looks like it's a Špešny Vlak/Semi Fast train that goes on towards Plzeň)

Cheb to Nürnberg is Class 612 DMUs - it may well attach to a couple more units further down the line.
 
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