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Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates
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Was in bit of a rush when writing the message, just looked back now lol
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Realtime Trains | 5Q26 0814 Derby Litchurch Lane to Worksop Up Receptions | 31/03/2023
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730103 noted on test at Crewe a couple of days back.....
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Realtime Trains | 5Q65 1008 Derby Litchurch Lane to Oxley Car. M.D. | 04/04/2023
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dereksingh291
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any idea when the 730s are entering service?
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No date confirmed, however more than likely next year for the cross city Line. They should be out on lines out of Euston before that to replace the 319s.
Intercity110
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Have they started testing yet?
Liam L
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/0s have been for over 2 years now… as I saw the first ones in March 2021.
The LNR ones started not long ago
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So does that mean the class 730/0 will work out of London Euston, before being moved to the Midlands to replace the class 323 units?
If the class 730/0 are replacing the class 319 units, then it seems strange that 90mph trains are replacing the class 319's which have a top speed of 100mph.
Intercity110
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I meant on the WCML, sorry.
Given the Slow Lines aren't always 100mph+, a slow stopping pattern and improved acceleration, I wouldn't be surprised if the times were at least matched.
DJH1971
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730101 and 730103 were stabled near Crewe today.
Merle Haggard
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The silence suggests no. Was there some talk of the ones delivered 2+3 being modified to 2+2 before entering service? That must be dead if the change in plan for 360s is anything to go by.
Presumably the omission if first class was intentional. It looks to me like all the new stock will be all standard class & 3+2 but just a guess.
Looking back, they were delivered nearly two years ago. Wonder what the problem is.
Bletchleyite
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It's confirmed in another thread that WMT is abolishing 1st with effect from the timetable change.
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Did they post any link confirming this? Whilst it's probably right and a May 23 removal has been mooted for some time, I've not seen anything concrete either from ORR, the operator or DfT yet.
Bletchleyite
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London Northwestern removing First Class from May?
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Didn't see a post quoting WMT themselves but I seem to recall the person who confirmed it works for an independent retailer (though I may remember wrong).
Considering both of the units at Crewe have first class inside, they’ll have to remove that anyway. I recall modern railways reporting around October that the LNR units would be delivered with 2+2 seating, so it would be very disappointing if it was back to 2+3, at least (assuming the NRC document is anything to go by) there’s not as many seats as in a 720.
Bletchleyite
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Well, they could just declassify it, I suspect that is what will happen with the 350s (plus possibly removing the interior doors) rather than swap the Compins for Grammers. For the 730s though I'd be surprised if they were delivered with it.
It'd be an embarrassment for the 730s to arrive with first class accomodation if they had gotten rid of it. I'd imagine LNR would be reluctant to remove the interior doors on the 350s, during the 350/1 refurb they never removed the guard's compartment, even though they used it for luggage space!
Merle Haggard
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I've tried to look at the interiors of the two at Crewe (/1s) rom passing trains and I thought that they had 2+3 seating and also I couldn't make out any sign of first class. I stand corrected on the existence of 1st from your comment (I wasn't sure where to look, thought it was at the ends) but are they 2+2?
The 360s have first but the compartments have extra labels to make clear they're standard. The 360's first class was particularly mediocre; the table between the 4 seats is about the size of one laptop.
WMR will be minus 1st class, LNR will have 1st class still. That's what we were told last year anyway
They are 3+2, but we're told this is still to be changed to 2+2. Definitely have a first class section and the one end of each 5 car unit
I imagine, as 350s are shared between the 2 brands, WMR will run with the doors locked open. Either that or just no 1st class tickets available on such routes.
Does through up the interesting cross branded area issue though
Merle Haggard
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Forgive my cynicism, but that was the promise by Abellio for the 360s. And those 3+2 seats are 20 years old and scruffy.
And now it's no longer Abellio giving updates and we've had it still confirmed.....
Can only go off what we've seen which is the 2 units at Crewe which were manufactured a long time ago now. However, drivers who've been to the test track at Melton Mowbray say they have 2+2 and first class sections. The only issue being no guard panels in them at this point.
Which unit is as Melton Mowbray? 102?
Recent comms to the rest of the industry suggested otherwise (though those aren't infallible), and the timetable (and possibly fares data) has started to match that
If that is the case I think it's an unwise decision given how busy the Cre-Eus 1st class always is for starters. MD is at the depot in a few weeks, I'll ask him what the plan is
Not sure, only driver instructors have been down. I'll ask which unit they were using
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Merle Haggard
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As is Northampton - Euston, but NRES shows them all as standard only after May 22. There will be a reduction in revenue by its abolition but I'm struggling to see how the greater associated costs savings will accrue, bearing in mind the stock has first accommodation at the moment.