Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates

221101 Voyager · 13 Mar 2021

Seen as there is not a proper thread for the 730s talking about deliveries, I thought I'd make one with the main purpose of tracking build progress and deliveries in addition to tracking each units location and acceptance into service.

The other 730 threads had a lot of talk about formations and diagrams, please do not discuss diagrams here.

Up to date as of 19th April 2021.

Any updates to add? Then feel free to let me know .

Fleet list -

Number	Coach formations	Operator	Livery	Location	Production status	Delivery and first mainline test run
730001	490001, 492001, 494001	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730002	490002, 492002, 494002	West Midlands Railway	WMR Orange & Purple	Crewe Arriva Traincare TMD	Testing / Training	05/03/21 - Commenced mainline testing
730003	490003, 492003, 494003	West Midlands Railway	WMR Orange & Purple	Taken to Old Dalby 19/04/21	Testing / Training	19/04/21 - To be taken to Old Dalby for testing.
730004	490004, 492004, 494004	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730005	490005, 492005, 494005	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730006	490006, 492006, 494006	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730007	490007, 492007, 494007	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730008	490008, 492008, 494008	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730009	490009, 492009, 494009	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730010	490010, 492010, 494010	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730011	490011, 492011, 494011	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730012	490012, 492012, 494012	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730013	490013, 492013, 494013	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730014	490014, 492014, 494014	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730015	490015, 492015, 494015	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730016	490016, 492016, 494016	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730017	490017, 492017, 494017	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730018	490018, 492018, 494018	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730019	490019, 492019, 494019	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730020	490020, 492020, 494020	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730021	490021, 492021, 494021	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730022	490022, 492022, 494022	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730023	490023, 492023, 494023	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730024	490024, 492024, 494024	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730025	490025, 492025, 494025	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730026	490026, 492026, 494026	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730027	490027, 492027, 494027	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730028	490028, 492028, 494028	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730029	490029, 492029, 494029	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730030	490030, 492030, 494030	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730031	490031, 492031, 494031	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730032	490032, 492032, 494032	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730033	490033, 492033, 494033	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730034	490034, 492034, 494034	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730035	490035, 492035, 494035	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730036	490036, 492036, 494036	West Midlands Railway	TBC		In Production
730101	490101, 491101, 492101, 493101, 494101	London North Western Railway	LNWR Green+Silver	Old Dalby	Fully Produced	Currently stabled at Old Dalby
730102	490102, 491102, 492102, 493102, 494102	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730103	490103, 491103, 492103, 493103, 494103	London North Western Railway	LNWR Green+Silver	Old Dalby	Fully Produced	Currently stabled at Old Dalby
730104	490104, 491104, 492104, 493104, 494104	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730105	490105, 491105, 492105, 493105, 494105	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730106	490106, 491106, 492106, 493106, 494106	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730107	490107, 491107, 492107, 493107, 494107	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730108	490108, 491108, 492108, 493108, 494108	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730109	490109, 491109, 492109, 493109, 494109	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730110	490110, 491110, 492110, 493110, 494110	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730111	490111, 491111, 492111, 493111, 494111	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730112	490112, 491112, 492112, 493112, 494112	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730113	490113, 491113, 492113, 493113, 494113	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730114	490114, 491114, 492114, 493114, 494114	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730115	490115, 491115, 492115, 493115, 494115	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730116	490116, 491116, 492116, 493116, 494116	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730117	490117, 491117, 492117, 493117, 494117	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730118	490118, 491118, 492118, 493118, 494118	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730119	490119, 491119, 492119, 493119, 494119	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730120	490120, 491120, 492120, 493120, 494120	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730121	490121, 491121, 492121, 493121, 494121	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730122	490122, 491122, 492122, 493122, 494122	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730123	490123, 491123, 492123, 493123, 494123	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730124	490124, 491124, 492124, 493124, 494124	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730125	490125, 491125, 492125, 493125, 494125	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730126	490126, 491126, 492126, 493126, 494126	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730127	490127, 491127, 492127, 493127, 494127	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730128	490128, 491128, 492128, 493128, 494128	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730129	490129, 491129, 492129, 493129, 494129	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730201	490201, 491201, 492201, 493201, 494201	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730202	490202, 491202, 492202, 493202, 494202	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730203	490203, 491203, 492203, 493203, 494203	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730204	490204, 491204, 492204, 493204, 494204	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730205	490205, 491205, 492205, 493205, 494205	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730206	490206, 491206, 492206, 493206, 494206	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730207	490207, 491207, 492207, 493207, 494207	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730208	490208, 491208, 492208, 493208, 494208	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730209	490209, 491209, 492209, 493209, 494209	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730210	490210, 491210, 492210, 493210, 494210	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730211	490211, 491211, 492211, 493211, 494211	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730212	490212, 491212, 492212, 493212, 494212	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730213	490213, 491213, 492213, 493213, 494213	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730214	490214, 491214, 492214, 493214, 494214	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730215	490215, 491215, 492215, 493215, 494215	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production
730216	490216, 491216, 492216, 493216, 494216	London North Western Railway	TBC		In Production

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Joshua483 · 6 Apr 2021

221101 Voyager said:
Seen as there is not a proper thread for the 730s talking about deliveries, I thought I'd make one with the main purpose of tracking build progress and deliveries in addition to tracking each units location and acceptance into service.

The other 730 threads had a lot of talk about formations and diagrams, please do not discuss diagrams here.

Up to date as of 13th March 2021.

Any updates to add? Then feel free to let me know .

Does anyone know the number of the LNWR unit on test in Velim?

Fleet list -

Number Coach formations Operator Livery Location Production status Delivery and first mainline test run
730001 490001, 492001, 494001 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730002 490002, 492002, 494002 West Midlands Railway WMR Orange & Purple Crewe Arriva Traincare TMD Testing / Training 05/03/21 - Commenced mainline testing
730003 490003, 492003, 494003 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730004 490004, 492004, 494004 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730005 490005, 492005, 494005 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730006 490006, 492006, 494006 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730007 490007, 492007, 494007 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730008 490008, 492008, 494008 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730009 490009, 492009, 494009 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730010 490010, 492010, 494010 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730011 490011, 492011, 494011 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730012 490012, 492012, 494012 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730013 490013, 492013, 494013 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730014 490014, 492014, 494014 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730015 490015, 492015, 494015 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730016 490016, 492016, 494016 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730017 490017, 492017, 494017 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730018 490018, 492018, 494018 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730019 490019, 492019, 494019 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730020 490020, 492020, 494020 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730021 490021, 492021, 494021 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730022 490022, 492022, 494022 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730023 490023, 492023, 494023 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730024 490024, 492024, 494024 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730025 490025, 492025, 494025 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730026 490026, 492026, 494026 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730027 490027, 492027, 494027 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730028 490028, 492028, 494028 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730029 490029, 492029, 494029 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730030 490030, 492030, 494030 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730031 490031, 492031, 494031 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730032 490032, 492032, 494032 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730033 490033, 492033, 494033 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730034 490034, 492034, 494034 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730035 490035, 492035, 494035 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730036 490036, 492036, 494036 West Midlands Railway TBC In Production
730101 490101, 491101, 492101, 493101, 494101 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730102 490102, 491102, 492102, 493102, 494102 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730103 490103, 491103, 492103, 493103, 494103 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730104 490104, 491104, 492104, 493104, 494104 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730105 490105, 491105, 492105, 493105, 494105 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730106 490106, 491106, 492106, 493106, 494106 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730107 490107, 491107, 492107, 493107, 494107 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730108 490108, 491108, 492108, 493108, 494108 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730109 490109, 491109, 492109, 493109, 494109 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730110 490110, 491110, 492110, 493110, 494110 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730111 490111, 491111, 492111, 493111, 494111 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730112 490112, 491112, 492112, 493112, 494112 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730113 490113, 491113, 492113, 493113, 494113 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730114 490114, 491114, 492114, 493114, 494114 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730115 490115, 491115, 492115, 493115, 494115 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730116 490116, 491116, 492116, 493116, 494116 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730117 490117, 491117, 492117, 493117, 494117 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730118 490118, 491118, 492118, 493118, 494118 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730119 490119, 491119, 492119, 493119, 494119 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730120 490120, 491120, 492120, 493120, 494120 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730121 490121, 491121, 492121, 493121, 494121 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730122 490122, 491122, 492122, 493122, 494122 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730123 490123, 491123, 492123, 493123, 494123 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730124 490124, 491124, 492124, 493124, 494124 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730125 490125, 491125, 492125, 493125, 494125 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730126 490126, 491126, 492126, 493126, 494126 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730127 490127, 491127, 492127, 493127, 494127 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730128 490128, 491128, 492128, 493128, 494128 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730129 490129, 491129, 492129, 493129, 494129 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730201 490201, 491201, 492201, 493201, 494201 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730202 490202, 491202, 492202, 493202, 494202 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730203 490203, 491203, 492203, 493203, 494203 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730204 490204, 491204, 492204, 493204, 494204 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730205 490205, 491205, 492205, 493205, 494205 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730206 490206, 491206, 492206, 493206, 494206 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730207 490207, 491207, 492207, 493207, 494207 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730208 490208, 491208, 492208, 493208, 494208 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730209 490209, 491209, 492209, 493209, 494209 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730210 490210, 491210, 492210, 493210, 494210 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730211 490211, 491211, 492211, 493211, 494211 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730212 490212, 491212, 492212, 493212, 494212 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730213 490213, 491213, 492213, 493213, 494213 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730214 490214, 491214, 492214, 493214, 494214 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730215 490215, 491215, 492215, 493215, 494215 London North Western Railway TBC In Production
730216 490216, 491216, 492216, 493216, 494216 London North Western Railway TBC In Production

How fast can they go?

221101 Voyager · 6 Apr 2021

Joshua483 said:
How fast can they go?

90 for the 730/0.

110 for the 730/1 & 730/2.

Spirit555 · 6 Apr 2021

90 mph on the data panel.

They also only have 201 seats compared to a 323 which has 275. There look to be far too many tables on it. I viewed it at Walsall today complete with loads of weights inside on all seats. There are also bolts already missing on the cabs where it appears they have fell out !!!. If you compare the seating, a 6 car 323 has 550 seats compare to a 6 car 730 which as only 402. That's one hell of a reduction. any views appreciated.

Mark

AgentGemini · 7 Apr 2021

Doesn't surprise me. Abellio planned for more "metro" style stand-up passenger accommodation. Which will only make commutes even more crowded and uncomfortable.

And we're now in an era where we need to entice people to come back to the railways for travel...

Spirit555 · 7 Apr 2021

There isn't much in the way of standing area on the unit, apart from the usual door areas and having viewed it yesterday there seems to be far too many tables though.

Mark

Bletchleyite · 7 Apr 2021

Spirit555 said:
There isn't much in the way of standing area on the unit, apart from the usual door areas and having viewed it yesterday there seems to be far too many tables though.

The seats are 2+2 but 3+2 width so the aisle should be wide enough, a la 700?

Purple Orange · 7 Apr 2021

My personal experience of moving to a 2+2 layout on the 331s v 3+2 on the 323s is that the 331s are better. Standing is not the end of the world and it’s not comfortable sat in the middle of a 3 or on the aisle seat with someone stood right next to you or sat tightly against you in the middle seat. Do the 730s also have more space in the vestibule area between carriages? That is a bit of a godsend on the 331s compared to the 323s.

Merle Haggard · 7 Apr 2021

I'm getting confused....
The 730/0s, the replacements for the 323s on cross Birmingham services, will have 2+2 seating.
But one batch of the LNwR ones will be 110 mpg with 3 + 2 seating.
And the logic is...

Bletchleyite · 7 Apr 2021

Merle Haggard said:
I'm getting confused....
The 730/0s, the replacements for the 323s on cross Birmingham services, will have 2+2 seating.
But one batch of the LNwR ones will be 110 mpg with 3 + 2 seating.
And the logic is...

Two things.

1. The franchise agreement under which they were ordered was (like Greater Anglia) based on "seats into London".
2. Standing is more acceptable on short distance stopping services into a city where the journey time is no more than about half an hour than it is on medium distance commuter services where it is often twice that.

Domh245 · 7 Apr 2021

Merle Haggard said:
I'm getting confused....
The 730/0s, the replacements for the 323s on cross Birmingham services, will have 2+2 seating.
But one batch of the LNwR ones will be 110 mpg with 3 + 2 seating.
And the logic is...

For metro-type services, you want 2+2 to give large aisles to "cram em in". For 'outer-suburban' services you want 3+2 so you can brag about the number of seats/day to a terminal - GA being case in point. And then you change type again to the long-distance services where you want 2+2 for comfort reasons, but include things like armrests and slightly wider seats

Merle Haggard · 7 Apr 2021

Domh245 said:
For 'outer-suburban' services you want 3+2 so you can brag about the number of seats/day to a terminal - GA being case in point.

Yes, thanks, that figures, achieving a KPI in isolation from its underlying intention; in much the same way as 'there are 2 TPH from Northampton to Euston', but they both arrive within a few minutes - just one minute apart, in the case of the10hrs departures.

As already mentioned 3-seat benches are uncomfortable, in different ways, for passengers in each position.

Mollman · 8 Apr 2021

Merle Haggard said:
I'm getting confused....
The 730/0s, the replacements for the 323s on cross Birmingham services, will have 2+2 seating.
But one batch of the LNwR ones will be 110 mpg with 3 + 2 seating.
And the logic is...

The 3+2 batch are replacing the 350/2s which are 3+2 seating and have been upgraded to 110mph as they often appear on faster services.

Merle Haggard · 8 Apr 2021

Mollman said:
The 3+2 batch are replacing the 350/2s which are 3+2 seating and have been upgraded to 110mph as they often appear on faster services.

The 3+2 batch are for 'outer suburban services'. If these are the Tring and Milton Keynes locals there doesn't seem to be a need for 110 mph capability. However, the 350/2s appear on longer distance services (or at least did, pre covid), so the inference is that this will continue with the new trains. Might not be so attractive to the optional market the industry needs to attract, with the captive commuter market (who have no choice) reduced by WFH.

3973EXL · 9 Apr 2021

6Q14 67024 730101
Realtime Trains - 646B 0453 Dollands Moor Sdgs to Wembley Receptions 1-7

5Q30 DCR 60s TnT
Realtime Trains - 5Q30 0733 Db Cargo Fan A And B Sdgs to Derby Litchurch Lane Caped

Running under
Realtime Trains - 5Q30 0931 Db Cargo Fan A And B Sdgs to Derby Litchurch Lane

ExRes · 9 Apr 2021

Quick question for those of you in the know on 730s, has 730101 been abroad, Vellim? for testing, I'm assuming that's the reason it came up from Dollands Moor today

Thanks

Domh245 · 9 Apr 2021

It has been to Velim, yes

At Velim

At Brunswick en route back to UK (27/3)

ExRes · 9 Apr 2021

Domh245 said:
It has been to Velim, yes

At Velim

At Brunswick en route back to UK (27/3)

Thanks for your response @Domh245 much appreciated

221101 Voyager · 19 Apr 2021

WMR 730003 is to be taken to Old Dalby for testing today.

Spirit555 · 22 Jul 2021

I have been told that there is a 5 car 730 on Crewe LNWR.

Has anyone any info.

Any gen appreciated.

Mark

221101 Voyager · 22 Jul 2021

Spirit555 said:
I have been told that there is a 5 car 730 on Crewe LNWR.

Has anyone any info.

Any gen appreciated.

Mark

I believe it will be either 730101 or 730103 perhaps, as they are the only fully produced LNWR units to my knowledge at present.

Spirit555 · 22 Jul 2021

221101 Voyager said:
I believe it will be either 730101 or 730103 perhaps, as they are the only fully produced LNWR units to my knowledge at present.

Appreciated

DBS92042 · 22 Jul 2021

221101 Voyager said:
I believe it will be either 730101 or 730103 perhaps, as they are the only fully produced LNWR units to my knowledge at present.

Typically I've seen 102 reported elsewhere...

The_Train · 23 Jul 2021

I've seen someone quoting photo's they took of the 730 drag as being 730102

Liam L · 23 Jul 2021

The_Train said:
I've seen someone quoting photo's they took of the 730 drag as being 730102

730102 now at Crewe

Liam L · 12 Aug 2021

Realtime Trains - 593P 1137 Old Dalby to Oxley Car. M.D.

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Any ideas if this a 730 related move? I think there some at Old Dalby if I remember correctly.

Spirit555 · 13 Aug 2021

Liam L said:
Realtime Trains - 593P 1137 Old Dalby to Oxley Car. M.D.

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Any ideas if this a 730 related move? I think there some at Old Dalby if I remember correctly.

2 x 37 with barriers and 730003.

Mark

Liam L · 13 Aug 2021

Spirit555 said:
2 x 37 with barriers and 730003.

Mark

37601/611
Thanks

seagull · 13 Aug 2021

At Oxley... Seems to be missing the front "skirt" each side currently.

800001 · 13 Aug 2021

seagull said:
At Oxley... Seems to be missing the front "skirt" each side currently.

View attachment 101098

Never had it on when it was at Dalby, the other unit at Dalby did

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