Locations of Permit To Travel Machines?

[Foxxle]

I compiled a list of over 900 PERTIS machines showing the serial number when most machines were in use.
Adding those listed above shows that some machines moved around to replace faulty machines.

That's amazing. Really helpful to identify particular machines! Weird to think that Brighton's machine is now at Fishersgate .


Also Denham Golf Club currently working

 

[Michaeltarquin]

Hi all, long term lurker here!

I travel at least once a week between Horsham and Leatherhead and in the past month the Permit to Travel machine at Warnham has been removed. A new information display has been installed in its place and a defibrillator has also been installed on the wall behind it.

Holmwood's machine is still very much in-situ, as is Ford's, Fishbourne's and Nutbourne's. No idea whether the latter two work or not, but reading reading previous comments on here, I very much doubt it!

 

[sot]

Salfords seems to have a coin jam and assume that is why it is set to pay at office even when it is closed (TVM).

 

[Chriso]

West / South Ruislip and Sudbury Hill Harrow permit to travel machines removed

 

[RailWonderer]

Thanks for the suggestions!
I can confirm that the PERTIS machine at Hatton is still working but the red light lits.

Funnily enough I did Hatton today and it was working. However just after I used it the red light started flickering. There is no ticket machine or ticket office so it should always be working.

 

[duncan788]

Hi,I visited Portslade Yesterday ,it still had power connected, but the clock was not working and the red light indicated it was not in use.

 

[deecee16]

If anyone finds a machine, working or not, could they note the machine serial number on the plate in the bottom left corner.

 

[DaventryRabbit]

Hi Folks
Machine at Denham Golf Club working today (despite being a little reluctant to issue a ticket for my 20p)
Sorry unable to load photo
Serial number was AS089 05632

 

[Foxxle]

Hendon PERTIS has been removed and replaced by a metro newspaper box thing

 

[MikeWM]

Hatton and Lapworth machines were both in good working order today, so I am now the proud owner of 2 20p permits to travel

 

[Foxxle]

Hatton and Lapworth machines were both in good working order today, so I am now the proud owner of 2 20p permits to travel

Good to Hear that they're still in a good working condition.

On Southern today, Ford's machine was glitched, and East Worthing looked as though it might be working, it had the 00:00 at the bottom, but also the red light. Unfortunately couldn't get off the train to test it. Fords serial number thing also attached if it's of interest.

 

[boiledbeans2]

I was at Redbridge and Millbrook earlier.

The Millbrook one said "Out of Service" on the display. It was still powered, displayed the correct time, and the buttons worked - they gave a "beep" when I pressed them. My guess is that the ticket stock is finished.

The Redbridge one is working. Though it prints the text at a right angle to the ticket stock, i.e. the original text on the ticket stock runs horizontally, but the printed text from the machine is vertical. Maybe they inserted the ticket stock in the wrong orientation?

 

[deecee16]

I was at Redbridge and Millbrook earlier.

The Millbrook one said "Out of Service" on the display. It was still powered, displayed the correct time, and the buttons worked - they gave a "beep" when I pressed them. My guess is that the ticket stock is finished.

The Redbridge one is working. Though it prints the text at a right angle to the ticket stock, i.e. the original text on the ticket stock runs horizontally, but the printed text from the machine is vertical. Maybe they inserted the ticket stock in the wrong orientation?

I assume the machines at those two stations are the Metric Aura, the same as that at Longcross.
On the Redbridge ticket is the station shown as REDBRIDGE 5912 01

It's not that the ticket stock has been loaded incorrectly, it has been pre-printed at 90 degrees to what it should be. A similar ticket has been seen at Beaulieu Road so it is probably a batch of stock that will be doing the rounds at other stations with this type of machine.

 

[island]

I was at Bicester North yesterday and a PERTIS machine was referred to on posters but the machine itself was not evident anywhere in the station.

 

[Watershed]

I was at Bicester North yesterday and a PERTIS machine was referred to on posters but the machine itself was not evident anywhere in the station.

I suspect those posters are generic. Not many Chiltern stations have PERTIS machines anymore.

 

[GW43125]

Southease dead on Friday night.

 

[Foxxle]

I was at Bicester North yesterday and a PERTIS machine was referred to on posters but the machine itself was not evident anywhere in the station.

I do remember one being present, but Chiltern used it for printing tickets for the bus shuttle service to Bicester Village, but I think that's been removed now since Chiltern provide a train service instead.


Also, Wimbledon Chase machine today, working but coin slot jammed with some ticket or something, what a shame!

 

[boiledbeans2]

I assume the machines at those two stations are the Metric Aura, the same as that at Longcross.
On the Redbridge ticket is the station shown as REDBRIDGE 5912 01

Yep, it's the newer type of machine. The station printed is REDBRIDGE 5912 001 (two zeros).

 

[RailWonderer]

Was it mainly Network SouthEast that installed them? Regional Railways did at Winsford, Hartford and Acton Bridge although those ones aren't there anymore but are/were there any other northern stations that had them? EMT installed one at Spondon which may still work (same as the SWT ones). Somebody uphread posted the serial number database and they were mostly south east stations.

Update: Found a map here of course it hasn't been updated. https://pert.is/Map

 

[LowLevel]

Was it mainly Network SouthEast that installed them? Regional Railways did at Winsford, Hartford and Acton Bridge although those ones aren't there anymore but are/were there any other northern stations that had them? EMT installed one at Spondon which may still work (same as the SWT ones). Somebody uphread posted the serial number database and they were mostly south east stations.

Update: Found a map here of course it hasn't been updated. https://pert.is/Map

Regional Railways/Central Trains installed them around Birmingham and West Midlands. These then got moved outwards to stations on the Shrewsbury line and others by London Midland.

EMT had modern versions installed as part of the EM urban penalty fare scheme. If I remember rightly the only one remaining is at Spondon though permanently out of use.

There were also machines at Attenborough, Duffield, Barrow, Sileby and maybe Syston (the memory is starting to go a bit foggy - can't remember if Syston just went straight to a full TVM).

They were an absolute pain in the proverbial as a conductor. I was trained to work pay train lines and to this day I can quick happily knock out multiple tickets in a minute. They slowed you down. You had to get the little ticket off the passenger, look at what had been paid, which could be anything from 5p to several pounds, manually deduct it in your mind from the fare for cash or give them the value of the PERTIS back in cash if they wanted to pay card, and then at the end of the shift fish them out of every pocket you had and add them up and pay them in as "cash". There was a function on the Avantix machine to treat them as a voucher but it was never used as company policy because it would have taken too long.

Considering at the time the revenue protection team hardly ever worked those trains it was a huge amount of effort for practically no reward except someone having to go and collect a load of what were mostly 5ps every week from the machines.

 

[deecee16]

Was it mainly Network SouthEast that installed them? Regional Railways did at Winsford, Hartford and Acton Bridge although those ones aren't there anymore but are/were there any other northern stations that had them? EMT installed one at Spondon which may still work (same as the SWT ones). Somebody uphread posted the serial number database and they were mostly south east stations.

Update: Found a map here of course it hasn't been updated. https://pert.is/Map

This is a list of the start dates for all the areas that used PERTIS. The furthest north they went were in the West Yorkshire area although they were all removed after 3 years.

16-Nov-88 London/Tilbury/Southend
20-Jan-92 South London
16-Mar-92 Kent Coast
19-Oct-92 Great Eastern
19-Oct-92 West Anglia
16-Nov-92 Solent & Wessex
16-Nov-92 South Western
16-Nov-92 Sussex Coast
22-Feb-93 Great Northern
05-Apr-93 Chiltern
05-Apr-93 Kent
03-Oct-93 Birmingham-Dorridge
14-Dec-92 Thameslink
06-Dec-93 Great Western
14-Nov-94 Birmingham-Leamington Spa/Stratford-upon-Avon
03-Apr-95 North London/Silverlink
27-Jun-95 Birmingham area (remainder)
29-Jan-01 West Yorkshire (all were removed by 01-Jan-04)
07-Oct-09 Medway Valley
-Jul-10 East Midlands (Metric Aura)

It was me that uploaded the list of serial numbers earlier in the thread.
I have all but 2 of the serial numbers for the West Yorkshire area (14276 - 14310)

 

[DaventryRabbit]

Hi all
Update on PERTIS Machines on Sutton Loop as of today:
Loughborough Junction, South Merton and Morden South: All DEAD
Haydons Road and Wimbledon Chase: Technically still functioning but Coin Slot Jammed Up
St Helier: NOW REMOVED
Sutton Common and West Sutton: Again still seemingly Functional but with NOT IN USE Red Light on.

Hope this Helps

 

[225 059-5]

Short update (visited today, 24 Jun 23) on the Chiltern ones at Hatton and Lapworth:

Hatton: fully functional
Lapworth: out of use is lit but looks still good.

 

[Liam L]

Lapworth: out of use is lit but looks still good.

I'm planning to visit that in the coming weeks, hopefully it gets fixed lol

 

[Michaeltarquin]

Priori to the previous comments on Chiltern Railways machines being removed, Sudbury and Harrow Road's machine had also been removed when I visited a couple of weeks ago.

 

[MrColours]

Little Kimble - Out of Use Light
Monks Risborough - Removed
Denham Gold Club - Works
Glynde - Still Present but dead
Newhaven Harbour - Removed on both platforms.

Feel like we need an updated list of all the ones still present in 2023. Barely any seem to be working.

 

[Sonic1234]

There's one at Ford, I didn't get off the train there to check it but saw it as I passed through

 

[Peter Mugridge]

In summary... they're just about finishing removing these machines pretty much at the time they're massacring ticket offices and introducing what is effectively a permit to travel scheme for multiple circumstances when a specific ticket cannot be done with the remaining machines at a station...?

Which would presumably need permit to travel machines to be installed everywhere?

 

[MikeWM]

There's one at Ford, I didn't get off the train there to check it but saw it as I passed through

I think I recall investigating that last time I was at Ford (late last year, probably November) and it being kaput in some way or other. Post #131 implies it was still not working rather more recently.

 

[Foxxle]

Northolt Park PERTIS removed

Denham Golf Club broken, 1.2 glitch thing, coin slot also jammed. I noticed two new machines installed on both ramps to the platforms, whilst still covered up they seem like TFL oyster pads, could the contactless/oyster zone be extending to Denham Golf Club? Whatever they are, might mean that the PERTIS is soon to be withdrawn, considering most of Chiltern's PERTIS machines have recently been removed.