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What is the biggest class of locomotive in the UK that did not have a single member survive into preservation?

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I would have thought that the biggest class of locomotive that were all scrapped without any being preserved, would have been steam rather than diesel? Probably one of the freight locomotive classes, something like an 0-6-0 or 0-8-0? Not sure it would be any of the pre grouping classes. The LNER J39 could be a contender. 289 locos built and none preserved.

 
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Post steam, would it be the North British Type 2s (classes 21 and 22) at 58 of each type built?
 

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None of the 733 WD 2-8-0s (90000-90732) that entered BR service survived!
I was thinking of that class - 90733 on the KWVR was built in 1945 and sold to the Netherlands and then on to Sweden, but given the circumstances of its construction, it’s unclear whether it actually worked a service train in Britain.
 

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I was thinking of that class - 90733 on the KWVR was built in 1945 and sold to the Netherlands and then on to Sweden, but given the circumstances of its construction, it’s unclear whether it actually worked a service train in Britain.
From what I can tell, it's very clear that it didn't!
 

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When I read the topic title my brain immediately thought LNER Garratt, that was a massive loco :D
 

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The Midland Railway 4-4-0's BR numbers 40332 to 40700 which were continued to be built after grouping by the LMS don't seem to have an example in preservation.
 

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The GWR Grange’s have no survivors.
Because surprisingly none made it to Barry Scrapyard. I can think of only a couple of classes that became extinct once there: - with the scrapping of NBL ‘Warship’ diesels D600/601 and NBL Bo-Bo D6122!
 

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I think you mean D6121 ;)
There is some mystery regarding this! Most publications list the loco as D6122, and it seems to have arrived at Barry with this number in 1968. By the time it was scrapped twelve years later it was displaying a faded D6121 on one cab!
 
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Because surprisingly none made it to Barry Scrapyard. I can think of only a couple of classes that became extinct once there: - with the scrapping of NBL ‘Warship’ diesels D600/601 and NBL Bo-Bo D6122!
GWR 54xx is another class that made it to Barry, but still became extinct
 

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Post steam, would it be the North British Type 2s (classes 21 and 22) at 58 of each type built?
There were 263 members of Class 30. Reconstructing one would be relatively straightforward (compared to a 23 or a D16/1....) if a Mirrlees JVS12T engine could be found that still works.

I think you mean D6121 ;)
I found a reference in an old book to a plan to recosntruct a Class 21 from, of all things, a Class 27 (D5353 to be specific). Seems a bit ambitious - apart from the wheel arrangement, they seem to have had very little in common. (Even the wheels themselves were different, NBL having used spoked wheels until the end) (EDIT) They both had GEC electrical equipment, but not the same model.

Anyone know any more about this idea?
 
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There were 263 members of Class 30. Reconstructing one would be relatively straightforward (compared to a 23 or a D16/1....) if a Mirrlees JVS12T engine could be found that still works.
That would be an interesting project. It would be interesting to hear what a Mirrlees engine sounded like.
 

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There is some mystery regarding this! Most publications list the loco as D6122, and it seems to have arrived at Barry with this number in 1968. By the time it was scrapped twelve years later it was displaying a faded D6121 on one cab!

I think that the 'mystery' was generated by people who never visited loco works in the 1960s. Cabs (obviously with the numbers under the windows) were swapped around routinely and one I remember was a Sulzer 2 in Derby works with each cab displaying a different (but consecutive) number. Luckily, I had previously seen both the locos represented, but it did make me doubt the integrity of loco spotting :'(
 

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Cab swaps happened occasionally as part of collision damage repairs, but I wouldn't describe that as routine.

Yes, I accept that 'routinely' was an overstatement but a different number under the paint work was not unknown, and I think that might have been what happened with D6122
 

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I think a cab swap with D6121 on a visit to Works was the most likely reason! What I do find surprising is that a withdrawn Scottish loco actually ended up at Barry. D6122 was moved from Eastfield to Hither Green after withdrawal and then sold to Woodhams, where after years of exposure, peeling paintwork exposed the oddity.
 

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I think a cab swap with D6121 on a visit to Works was the most likely reason! What I do find surprising is that a withdrawn Scottish loco actually ended up at Barry. D6122 was moved from Eastfield to Hither Green after withdrawal and then sold to Woodhams, where after years of exposure, peeling paintwork exposed the oddity.

Why was it moved to Hither Green? Did they use it for preheating carriages?
 

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Why was it moved to Hither Green? Did they use it for preheating carriages?
For re-railing exercises apparently! Don’t know why D6122 was chosen, or if it was even used, but it was sold to Woodhams for scrap within months.
 

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For re-railing exercises apparently! Don’t know why D6122 was chosen, or if it was even used, but it was sold to Woodhams for scrap within months.

Thanks for the information Harvester.
 

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I think that the 'mystery' was generated by people who never visited loco works in the 1960s. Cabs (obviously with the numbers under the windows) were swapped around routinely and one I remember was a Sulzer 2 in Derby works with each cab displaying a different (but consecutive) number. Luckily, I had previously seen both the locos represented, but it did make me doubt the integrity of loco spotting :'(
It was indeed common - some Class 31s ran around with headcode panel at one end only as a result. But studying the pictures on the RCTS site, there are photos post 1964 of both ends of both 6121 and 6122, and all photos after May 1964 show the "eyebrows" on the latter and not on the former, suggesting that both cabs would have had to have been swapped. This seems unlikely.
 

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It was indeed common - some Class 31s ran around with headcode panel at one end only as a result. But studying the pictures on the RCTS site, there are photos post 1964 of both ends of both 6121 and 6122, and all photos after May 1964 show the "eyebrows" on the latter and not on the former, suggesting that both cabs would have had to have been swapped. This seems unlikely.

In those days it was not uncommon for a collision to result in damage to both cabs. Typically, front (obviously) of loco collides and stops suddenly, 60 wagons pile into back cab.
 

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There were 263 members of Class 30. Reconstructing one would be relatively straightforward (compared to a 23 or a D16/1....) if a Mirrlees JVS12T engine could be found that still works.
Arguably it might be more authentic to fit one with a Mirrlees engine that doesn't work, but I admit there are flaws with that plan ;)
 

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Arguably it might be more authentic to fit one with a Mirrlees engine that doesn't work, but I admit there are flaws with that plan ;)
... and to be really authentic make sure the train heating boiler is inoperative, so that we can have a B1 on the train in winter :D (vide Northampton - Peterborough)
 

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Given that rare engines do turn up now and again after being sold on or from non-railway use there’s a possibility that a Mirrlees engine exists somewhere.
 
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