Loganair - No longer for sale

[Tetchytyke]

They have some very handy connections such as Central Belt to Southampton and Exeter but at a cost.

My experience from here is that they’re usually no more expensive than EasyJet once you’ve added a 15kg hold bag to the EasyJet fare. With the added bonus that, as there are no middle seats with Loganair, you don’t have to pay to avoid one.

Although I have to say that Loganair prices seem to be creeping up faster than Easyjet, so it may well change.

I generally prefer using Loganair to Easyjet.

 

[Titfield]

Yes my wife was the same when we flew on a Loganair ATR a few months ago, when she saw the plane her face had a look of horror.

I wonder what she would have made of a Fokker F27 then? Air UK was using 30 year old F27s on SOU-GCI / JER until 1997 and then introduced ATR72s.

Seems crazy to say it now but introducing the ATR72 was a massive step change on the Channel Islands routes at the time.

 

[birchesgreen]

I wonder what she would have made of a Fokker F27 then? Air UK was using 30 year old F27s on SOU-GCI / JER until 1997 and then introduced ATR72s.

Seems crazy to say it now but introducing the ATR72 was a massive step change on the Channel Islands routes at the time.

Probably gone home, to be fair the previous plane she flew on a few months earlier was an A380 so its a bit of a stark difference.

 

[Butts]

My experience from here is that they’re usually no more expensive than EasyJet once you’ve added a 15kg hold bag to the EasyJet fare. With the added bonus that, as there are no middle seats with Loganair, you don’t have to pay to avoid one.

Although I have to say that Loganair prices seem to be creeping up faster than Easyjet, so it may well change.

I generally prefer using Loganair to Easyjet.

Come back Flybe all is forgiven -

Looking at EDI-SOU next June Loganair coming out at around £190 return at the cheapest.

Easyjet are flying to SOU from GLA up until April from £20 to £50 each way but only on Thursday and Saturday.

Time for them or BA Cityflyer to come into EDI and get the fares to SOU back to Flybe levels.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Come back Flybe all is forgiven -

Looking at EDI-SOU next June Loganair coming out at around £190 return at the cheapest.

Ah Flybe, the “low fares airline” model but without actually offering the low fares. Flybe’s cabin bag Gestapo made Ryanair look like amateurs!

Loganair’s prices appear high as they include a 15kg bag and- thanks to the aircraft- no middle seats.

I’ll bet that if you add a 15kg bag to EasyJet you won’t be far short of what Loganair charge. That’s certainly the case here. EasyJet charge me £80 for fare+bag one way to Liverpool, plus another seven quid to avoid the middle seat, Loganair charge £85-£95.

 

[Sir Felix Pole]

Flybe did have a comprehensive network though - and you could make snappy connections at hubs like Southampton and Exeter. I flew from Manchester to Rennes in Brittany once via Soton and also to Guernsey via Exeter. Today, Exeter and Newquay are very poorly served by air services. The cabin bag size did reduce towards the end - my case was suddenly unacceptable after countless trips!

 

[route101]

Come back Flybe all is forgiven -

Looking at EDI-SOU next June Loganair coming out at around £190 return at the cheapest.

Easyjet are flying to SOU from GLA up until April from £20 to £50 each way but only on Thursday and Saturday.

Time for them or BA Cityflyer to come into EDI and get the fares to SOU back to Flybe levels.

I am flying Easyjet from GLA to Southampton tomorrow, flight was £25 one way. I am not sure what the deal is with the route being x2 weekly. Its either a slot filler or a very soft launch for Southampton.

 

[renegademaster]

Has there been any rumours or reports of potential bidders?

There is huge political risk over the long term. A Scottish government might want the island services going electric in the next few years. A Scottish government owned national operator subsidising island services and making them zero emissions would be a popular policy. A UK government could introduce legislation limiting flights were there is a reasonable alternative. A four hour alternative law along lines of French 2.5 hour law would end some of Loganair's routes. E.g. Liverpool - Isle of Man.

New few decades maybe but not in the near future unless they want to create a bunch of new Tory(or even alba mabye) seats

 

[Tetchytyke]

I am not sure what the deal is with the route being x2 weekly

Standard EasyJet practice on a lot of their domestic network. They muscle in on routes that have become popular but they only do it at weekends, hoovering up the traffic. As often as not it sinks the daily flight offered by the regional airline.

They do it here- weekend-only flights to Bristol, Belfast, and Manchester.

 

[cactustwirly]

Ah Flybe, the “low fares airline” model but without actually offering the low fares. Flybe’s cabin bag Gestapo made Ryanair look like amateurs!

Loganair’s prices appear high as they include a 15kg bag and- thanks to the aircraft- no middle seats.

I’ll bet that if you add a 15kg bag to EasyJet you won’t be far short of what Loganair charge. That’s certainly the case here. EasyJet charge me £80 for fare+bag one way to Liverpool, plus another seven quid to avoid the middle seat, Loganair charge £85-£95.

easyJets bag prices are ridiculous! You spend more than the cost of the flight on luggage.

 

[AlastairFraser]

easyJets bag prices are ridiculous! You spend more than the cost of the flight on luggage.

If EJ's prices appear ridiculous, try Ryanair's bag prices.
Especially since they bundled it in with this "Priority" thing I don't need or want.

 

[Bletchleyite]

If EJ's prices appear ridiculous, try Ryanair's bag prices.
Especially since they bundled it in with this "Priority" thing I don't need or want.

If you mean the larger carry on, this is to ensure locker space and is necessary. You'd not be happy if you paid for a larger bag and had to gate check it.

 

[AlastairFraser]

If you mean the larger carry on, this is to ensure locker space and is necessary. You'd not be happy if you paid for a larger bag and had to gate check it.

The Ryanair larger carry on fee is fine for me.
It's the bundle with Priority boarding, which should be a separate option IMHO.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The Ryanair larger carry on fee is fine for me.
It's the bundle with Priority boarding, which should be a separate option IMHO.

Again, it's not bundled per se as there is no reason to buy priority otherwise with allocated seats. It is needed for large bags to ensure you locker space. Would you be happy to gate check your bag if there wasn't space?

TBH I think this is a marketing fail by Ryanair - it just needs wording differently.

easyJet does the same thing but worded differently - "Every customer who books a large cabin bag can also enjoy the benefit of Speedy Boarding."

 

[AlastairFraser]

Again, it's not bundled per se as there is no reason to buy priority otherwise with allocated seats. It is needed for large bags to ensure you locker space. Would you be happy to gate check your bag if there wasn't space?

I would be happy on short-haul - worst case scenario, most people can fit their essentials in their pockets and stick it in the hold for a few hours.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I would be happy on short-haul - worst case scenario, most people can fit their essentials in their pockets and stick it in the hold for a few hours.

Fair enough. I suspect however that there would be at least some who would verbally abuse or even assault staff were this to happen.

It makes absolute sense to do it this way in order to enable quick and smooth turnarounds. Ryanair should just word it differently, e.g. "when you buy a large cabin bag, you get free priority boarding!"

 

[AlastairFraser]

Fair enough. I suspect however that there would be at least some who would verbally abuse or even assault staff were this to happen.

It makes absolute sense to do it this way in order to enable quick and smooth turnarounds. Ryanair should just word it differently, e.g. "when you buy a large cabin bag, you get free priority boarding!"

Aren't there EU plans to ensure that airlines carry free cabin bags up to a certain size though?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Aren't there EU plans to ensure that airlines carry free cabin bags up to a certain size though?

They're under discussion, but airlines need a policy for now, not for then.

 

[cactustwirly]

If you mean the larger carry on, this is to ensure locker space and is necessary. You'd not be happy if you paid for a larger bag and had to gate check it.

Just don't charge for it, much easier.
I find it hard to justify easyJet with their steep luggage charges.

 

[PsychoMouse]

I'd rather keep the chargeable bags with a lower base fare option over higher base fare with bag included.

Unless I'm going on holiday I do not check a bag and would feel a bit aggrieved paying to check a bag I don't have.

Flexibility on these things is only a good thing.

 

[route101]

Standard EasyJet practice on a lot of their domestic network. They muscle in on routes that have become popular but they only do it at weekends, hoovering up the traffic. As often as not it sinks the daily flight offered by the regional airline.

They do it here- weekend-only flights to Bristol, Belfast, and Manchester.

Loganair is x4 a day during the week on the route. Potential to lose everything of loganair pull out. easyJet are running the route just over the winter timetable.

 

[Cloud Strife]

Aren't there EU plans to ensure that airlines carry free cabin bags up to a certain size though?

There are some discussions about it, but from what I can see with Ryanair, they are really increasing the speed of boarding by having a simple "large luggage goes overhead, small bags go under the seat" system. If it goes back to a system where everyone is entitled to take a large piece of cabin luggage, a lot of bags will simply end up being checked in at everyone's cost.

 

[takno]

There are some discussions about it, but from what I can see with Ryanair, they are really increasing the speed of boarding by having a simple "large luggage goes overhead, small bags go under the seat" system. If it goes back to a system where everyone is entitled to take a large piece of cabin luggage, a lot of bags will simply end up being checked in at everyone's cost.

Seems like the same system that pretty much all the budget operators have switched to. It's what hand-baggage-only should have been in the first place - if you need to wheel it on then in a lot of cases it's more expensive to the airline than checked baggage and you should pay for it. If it's just a small bag you can cram in anywhere then it's hard to say the same thing.

One interesting consequence is that I can quite often fit my underseat bag in the overheads now. I quite often used to end up being forced to have it at my feet just so that other people could take up all the overhead space with a massive hard-shell case.

The fact that I'm subsidizing everybody else's poor luggage decisions on Loganair is pretty clearly one of the reasons it's generally so much more expensive. The other would be that they are flying such a small plane on a route which could support one twice the size.

 

[Cloud Strife]

The fact that I'm subsidizing everybody else's poor luggage decisions on Loganair is pretty clearly one of the reasons it's generally so much more expensive. The other would be that they are flying such a small plane on a route which could support one twice the size.

With the size of the planes, I think Loganair are simply playing it safe, especially given what happened to Flybe when they ordered the Embraers. There might also be a frequency argument: Loganair seem to be doing well by offering high frequencies on routes like GLA-SOU and EDI-EXT, rather than trying to fill larger planes once a day.

 

[AlastairFraser]

There are some discussions about it, but from what I can see with Ryanair, they are really increasing the speed of boarding by having a simple "large luggage goes overhead, small bags go under the seat" system. If it goes back to a system where everyone is entitled to take a large piece of cabin luggage, a lot of bags will simply end up being checked in at everyone's cost.

Perhaps they'll have to have an additional weighing station pre-security, where they check the weight of people's bags before they board and then force people to check when they hit a certain number.

 

[PsychoMouse]

I notice Loganair are all-jet to Southampton.

Not sure why anybody bothers with the emb145s anymore, ATRs are more spacious, have much smaller operating costs, are nicer for passengers and aren't any slower over the distances covered.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Not sure why anybody bothers with the emb145s anymore, ATRs are more spacious, have much smaller operating costs, are nicer for passengers and aren't any slower over the distances covered.

Loganair’s ERJ-145s have been in the group since delivery, being with bmi Regional until that went bust then transferring to Loganair. They’ll be using them because they’re paid for. When the time comes I can’t imagine them replacing the ERJ-145 with a 49-seat jet though.

The ERJ-145 is nicer than the ATR42 and ATR72, mind. Really comfortable 2+1 seating.

if you need to wheel it on then in a lot of cases it's more expensive to the airline than checked baggage and you should pay for it.

It’s never more expensive to the airline than checked baggage- at the very least you’re saving most of the baggage handling costs at the departure airport.

It’s interesting that, with EasyJet, the hold fees are now normally only a couple of quid more than the carry on fees. But the hold fees aren’t cheaper than the carry on fee- if carry on was costing them money, the fee would reflect that.

The carry-on rules were only ever there because the airlines assumed most people would pay for hold luggage. As people adapted the carry-on entitlements get smaller and smaller. Funny that.

The fact that I'm subsidizing everybody else's poor luggage decisions on Loganair is pretty clearly one of the reasons it's generally so much more expensive

I prefer the fact that what you see is what you pay with Loganair. My experience is with any sort of baggage beyond the “small cabin bag”, there’s naff all difference between Loganair and EasyJet. The small bag is fine for a day or two away- if you’re not intending to do any shopping- but, beyond that, it’s useless.

It’s mad, really, how the airlines have managed to persuade people that taking a normal-sized bag for a weekend away is a “poor luggage choice”.

I wouldn’t mind bag fees so much if they were transparently priced, but they’re not. On more than one occasion I’ve gone to add a bag close to departure with EasyJet and found the fee was lower than the fee offered at booking.

I hate the way you have to go all the way through the booking process, add passenger names etc, before the airlines will reveal the cost of baggage and seating. It makes buying airline tickets far more hassle than it should be.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Perhaps they'll have to have an additional weighing station pre-security, where they check the weight of people's bags before they board and then force people to check when they hit a certain number.

More likely they'll just go back to checking the bags of the last N in the queue. Want to carry it on? Get there first or buy priority. Obviously the very small bag would be "guaranteed carry on" as you can put it under the seat in front.

 

[takno]

Loganair’s ERJ-145s have been in the group since delivery, being with bmi Regional until that went bust then transferring to Loganair. They’ll be using them because they’re paid for. When the time comes I can’t imagine them replacing the ERJ-145 with a 49-seat jet though.

The ERJ-145 is nicer than the ATR42 and ATR72, mind. Really comfortable 2+1 seating.


It’s never more expensive to the airline than checked baggage- at the very least you’re saving most of the baggage handling costs at the departure airport.

It’s interesting that, with EasyJet, the hold fees are now normally only a couple of quid more than the carry on fees. But the hold fees aren’t cheaper than the carry on fee- if carry on was costing them money, the fee would reflect that.

The carry-on rules were only ever there because the airlines assumed most people would pay for hold luggage. As people adapted the carry-on entitlements get smaller and smaller. Funny that.


I prefer the fact that what you see is what you pay with Loganair. My experience is with any sort of baggage beyond the “small cabin bag”, there’s naff all difference between Loganair and EasyJet. The small bag is fine for a day or two away- if you’re not intending to do any shopping- but, beyond that, it’s useless.

It’s mad, really, how the airlines have managed to persuade people that taking a normal-sized bag for a weekend away is a “poor luggage choice”.

I wouldn’t mind bag fees so much if they were transparently priced, but they’re not. On more than one occasion I’ve gone to add a bag close to departure with EasyJet and found the fee was lower than the fee offered at booking.

I hate the way you have to go all the way through the booking process, add passenger names etc, before the airlines will reveal the cost of baggage and seating. It makes buying airline tickets far more hassle than it should be.

What I see with budget airlines *is* what I pay, and I like to see the number being lower.

I don't know what you're doing on a weekend away that requires so much stuff tbh, but my decisions on what to carry when I travel were made years before budget airlines became popular. If anything I suspect the advent of hand-luggage-only is the main driver of people having largish wheely suitcases and feeling like they have to fill them on every trip

 

[Bletchleyite]

I don't know what you're doing on a weekend away that requires so much stuff tbh, but my decisions on what to carry when I travel were made years before budget airlines became popular. If anything I suspect the advent of hand-luggage-only is the main driver of people having largish wheely suitcases and feeling like they have to fill them on every trip

I'm assuming you're quite a small person? 2XL clothes contain more than twice the amount of fabric as S (this is usually the root of the sanctimonious "why do you need a bag that big" mob). I can do a weekend away on 55x40x20 (and have a bag exactly that size) but would struggle to do so in one of the new super-small size bags, nor could I do a week's business trip on even full IATA size unless I washed shirts rather than taking one for each day.