Back in the day...

[D1511]

And I'm away this weekend so.....

Wed 4th November 1981

26023 xb HA Edinburgh - Inverkeithing
26034 xb IS Inverkeithing - Kirkcaldy
55014 xd YK Kirkcaldy - Dundee
26037 vb IS + 26027 vb IS Dundee - Perth
47116 xb SF Perth - Dundee
27018 vb ED Dundee - Leuchars
26015 vbh IS Leuchars - Dundee
47081 xb CF Dundee - Edinburgh

 

[CD]

Saturday 6th November 1982

33103 Yeovil Jn-Waterloo (1O02 0650 Yeovil Jn-Waterloo)
37099 Liverpool St-Cambridge (1P68 1105 Liverpool St-Cambridge)
DMU Cambridge-Ely (don`t know why)
47118 Ely-Kings Lynn (1P72 1235 Liverpool St-Kings Lynn)
47118 Kings Lynn-Cambridge (1C87 1600 Kings Lynn-Liverpool St)
37034 Cambridge-Ely (1P86 1635 Liverpool St-Kings Lynn)
31114 Ely-Audley End (1E79 1505 Birmingham NS-Cambridge extended to Bishops Stortford)
37099 Audley End-Cambridge (1P96 1835 Liverpool St-Kings Lynn)
47004 Cambridge-Stanstead (1C99 2000 Cambridge-Liverpool St)
47005 Stanstead-Cambridge (1P56 2005 Liverpool St-Cambridge)
37116 Cambridge-Liverpool St (1C51 2142 Cambridge-Liverpool St)
47538 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn (1V01 0135 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn)

 

[CD]

Saturday 7th November 1998

159 Yeovil Jn-Exeter St.Davids (0550 Salisbury-Exeter)
158 Exeter St.Davids-Totnes (0632 Bristol Pwy-Plymouth)
47779 Totnes-Oxford via WSM/Bristol Pwy/Didcot west curve (0914 Plymouth-Liverpool)
47281 Oxford-Plymouth via Didcot west curve/Bristol Pwy (0913 Liverpool LS-Plymouth)
47281 Plymouth-Bristol TM (1708 Plymouth-Bristol TM)
158 Bristol TM-Salisbury (1830 Cardiff-Portsmouth Hbr)
159 Salisbury-Yeovil Jn (1935 Waterloo-Honiton)

 

[xotGD]

Didcot west curve

I've only done that once, and that was on a railtour.

 

[1971martin]

Monday 7th November 2011

90009 1138 Stratford - Ipswich
90011 1309 Ipswich - Liverpool St
90008 1430 Liverpool St - Ipswich
321318+321359+321343 1552 Ipswich - Stratford
360110+360109+360103 1736 Stratford - Liverpool St
90026 1810 Liverpool St - Colchester
321357+321310+321350 1912 Colchester - Shenfield
360119+360112 2001 Shenfield - Chelmsford
90009 2021 Chelmsford - Stratford

Tuesday 8th November 2011

321431+321446 1122 Stratford - Liverpool St
90009 1230 Liverpool St - Ipswich
90005 1409 Ipswich - Liverpool St
321430+321306+321441 1548 Liverpool St - Witham
321427+321428+321312 1629 Witham - Liverpool St

 

[childwallblues]

20 October 1976

In the days when the Manchester/Liverpool trains split at Carstairs for Glasgow/Edinburgh you could quite often get rare locos on the Carstairs to Edinburgh portion. On this day it was 40050 into Edinburgh and 47297 back to Carstairs. However waiting at Carstairs to take the train to Preston was Thrystor locomotive 87101, quite a rarity on passenger workings.

 

[QJ]

Saturday 12 November 1977
47035 LA 1C02 0050 London Paddington - Milford Haven (Bristol Parkway to Cardiff Central)
25221 CD 2M67 0532 Cardiff Central - Crewe (Cardiff Central to Newport)
1*118 DMU 0600 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads (Newport to Bristol Temple Meads)
1*118 DMU 0712 Bristol Temple Meads - Severn Beach and 0755 Severn Beach to Bristol Temple Meads
31423 BR 2O67 0919 Bristol Temple Meads (Bristol Temple Meads to Saint Denys)
1*4CIG EMU 1112 Bournemouth - London Waterloo (Saint Denys to Eastleigh)
2*4TC+1*4REP 1B15 1146 London Waterloo - Bournemouth (Eastleigh - Southampton Central)
31421 BR 2O68 1116 Bristol Temple Meads - Portsmouth Harbour (Southampton Central to Saint Denys)
1*4VEP EMU 1312 Bournemouth - London Waterloo (Saint Denys to Eastleigh)
2*4TC+1*4REP 1B15 1346 London Waterloo - Bournemouth (Eastleigh - Southampton Central)
31416 BR 2O69 1315 Bristol Temple Meads - Portsmouth Harbour (Southampton Central to Saint Denys)
31423 BR 2V65 1456 Portsmouth Harbour - Bristol Temple Meads (Saint Denys to Southampton Central)
33035 HG 1O16 1358 Exeter Saint Davids - Brighton (Southampton Central to Havant)
1*4VEP EMU 2J55 1605 Brighton - Portsmouth Harbour (Havant to Fratton)
31422 BR 2O70 1519 Bristol Temple Meads - Portsmouth Harbour (Fratton to Portsmouth Harbour)
31416 BR 2V71 1856 Portsmouth Harbour - Bristol Temple Meads (Portsmouth Harbour to Salisbury)
33112 EH 1V19 1900 London Waterloo - Exeter Saint Davids (Salisbury to Exeter Saint Davids)
46051 GD 1B52 2120 Bristol Temple Meads (Exeter Saint Davids to Plymouth)

 

[1971martin]

Forgot these from a couple of days ago!

Friday 9th November 2012

360103 1305 Stratford - Liverpool St
90005 1330 Liverpool St - Ipswich
90007 1509 Ipswich - Colchester
90001 1603 Colchester - Stratford
321323+321365+321306 1719 Stratford - Liverpool St
90003 1810 Liverpool St - Colchester
90006 1903 Colchester - Stratford

Saturday 10th November 2012 (Billericay- Witham and back bu bus)

321344+321346 1109 Stratford - Billericay
360119 1225 Witham - Colchester
90010 1250 Colchester - Norwich
90004 1400 Norwich - Colchester
360101 1512 Colchester - Witham
321366+321328 1618 Billericay - Liverpool St
321312+321323 1718 Liverpool St - Shenfield
321346+321344 1755 Shenfield - Stratford

 

[CD]

Saturday 12th November 1983

33032 Sherborne-Basingstoke (2O96 2100 Exeter St.Davids-Basingstoke) Friday night.
73121 Basingstoke-Southampton (1W55 2252 Waterloo-Weymouth)
73121 Southampton-Waterloo (1W50 2238 Weymouth-Waterloo)
47572 Liverpool St-Ipswich (1P04 0430 Liverpool St-Norwich)
31133 Ipswich-Cambridge (2H06 0715 Ipswich-Cambridge)
37021 Cambridge-Whittlesford (1C67 0855 Cambridge-Liverpool St)
DMU Whittlesford-Cambridge
47544 Cambridge-Ely (1P60 0835 Liverpool St-Norwich)
DMU Ely-Littleport
47435 Littleport-Cambridge (1C71 1006 Kings Lynn-Liverpool St)
37115 Cambridge-Stowmarket (2Kxx 1232 Cambridge-Ipswich)
47573 Stowmarket-Norwich (1P24 1230 Liverpool St-Norwich)
47457 Norwich-Manningtree (1C35 1625 Norwich-Liverpool St)
31261 Manningtree-Ipswich (1P33 1700 Liverpool St-Lowestoft)
31428 Ipswich-Bury St Edmunds (1B46 1818 Ipswich-Peterborough)
47440 Bury St Edmunds-Stowmarket (1E87 1120 Glasgow C-Parkeston Quay)
47583 Stowmarket-Ipswich (1C41 1954 Norwich-Liverpool St)
31415 Ipswich-Liverpool St (1C43 2145 Ipswich-Liverpool St)
33049 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn (0130 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn)

 

[CD]

Saturday 14th November 1981

33065 Yeovil PM-Bristol TM (2V55 0545 Weymouth-Bristol)
46011 Bristol TM-Derby (1E75 0835 Taunton-Newcastle)
45115 Derby-Birmingham NS (1V86 1033 Leeds-Paignton)
45128 Birmingham NS-Derby (1E95 1145 Cardiff-Newcastle)
46009 Derby-Bristol TM (1V91 1143 Newcastle-Bristol)
33014 Bristol TM-Yeovil PM (2O61 1720 Cardiff-Weymouth)

 

[xotGD]

Saturday 14th November 1981

33065 Yeovil PM-Bristol TM (2V55 0545 Weymouth-Bristol)
46011 Bristol TM-Derby (1E75 0835 Taunton-Newcastle)
45115 Derby-Birmingham NS (1V86 1033 Leeds-Paignton)
45128 Birmingham NS-Derby (1E95 1145 Cardiff-Newcastle)
46009 Derby-Bristol TM (1V91 1143 Newcastle-Bristol)
33014 Bristol TM-Yeovil PM (2O61 1720 Cardiff-Weymouth)

A nice symmetry to the day!

 

[1971martin]

Friday 16th November 2012

90001 1300 Liverpool St - Norwich
90005 1500 Norwich - Colchester
321365+321441+321302 1612 Colchester - Stratford
378225 1720 Stratford - Willesden Jn
378228 1810 Willesden Jn - Euston
90045 1843 Euston - Wolverhampton
390044 2047 Wolverhampton - Euston

 

[CD]

Saturday 22nd November 1986. NSE Network Day.

33116+33114 Yeovil Jn-Gillingham (0650 Yeovil Jn-Gillingham)
Rail replacement bus Gillingham-Salisbury
50018 Salisbury-Waterloo (0822 Salisbury-Waterloo)
47404 Liverpool St.-Cambridge (1035 Liverpool St.-Kings Lynn)
47605 Cambridge-Liverpool St. (1105 Kings Lynn-Liverpool St.)
47581 Liverpool St-Chelmsford (1320 Liverpool St.-Norwich)
47591 Chelmsford-Liverpool St. (1234 Norwich-Liverpool St.)
47580 Liverpool St.-Manningtree (1520 Liverpool St.-Norwich)
47581 Manningtree-Liverpool St. (1634 Norwich-Liverpool St.)
33108 Waterloo-Salisbury (2030 Waterloo-Salisbury)
Rail replacement bus Salisbury-Gillingham
33029 Gillingham-Yeovil Jn (2310 Gillingham-Yeovil Jn)

 

[Jamesrob637]

Four years ago today I was on a Thames Rover from Goring to London via various stops, however all I know was that I scored many IETs, 387s and a 165 to Windsor/Marlow and return.

Eleven years ago I took a S-Bahn from München-Feldmoching to München Hbf then a RE from Hbf to Salzburg. I know it wasn't IC or ICE because I had a Ländes(Bayern) ticket.

 

[xotGD]

47404 Liverpool St.-Cambridge (1035 Liverpool St.-Kings Lynn)

Latest entry in the "Generators got everywhere" file!

 

[1971martin]

Friday 25th November 2011 - visited Bletchley Park before the Freightliner 90 came out to play

350267 1113 Euston - Bletchley
350254 1616 Bletchley - M Keynes
390017 1647 M Keynes - Euston
90046 1843 Euston - M Keynes
390048 1932 M Keynes - Euston

 

[QJ]

Wednesday 25 November 1981
73129 SL + 73126 SL propelling 2*4TC 2P29 1018 London Waterloo - Portsmouth Harbour (London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour)
73126 SL + 73129 SL hauling 2*4TC 2P54 1216 Portsmouth Harbour - London Waterloo (Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo)

 

[D6130]

73129 SL + 73126 SL propelling 2*4TC 2P29 1018 London Waterloo - Portsmouth Harbour (London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour)
73126 SL + 73129 SL hauling 2*4TC 2P54 1216 Portsmouth Harbour - London Waterloo (Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo)

Wow! That was a rarity! Was it a one-off, or a temporary diagram caused by 'a higher than usual number of units awaiting repairs' due to leaf fall-related wheel flats?

 

[QJ]

Wow! That was a rarity! Was it a one-off, or a temporary diagram caused by 'a higher than usual number of units awaiting repairs' due to leaf fall-related wheel flats?

IIRC there was an issue with the braking systems on the inner suburban units (wheel slide detection). A couple of unit diagrams on the Pompey line were changed to pairs of 73s and either TC stock or a mark 1 set to free up the units to cover the inner suburban workings.

I can’t recall how long the loco hauled workings ran for but it was Mondays to Fridays until a work around for the brake issues were resolved.

 

[Harvester]

Tuesday 26th November 2013

91106 13:29 York-Doncaster
220??? 13:59 Doncaster-Derby

Returning after a visit to the NRM. Four A4s still on show, but 60007 and 60009 had by then departed from ’The Great Gathering’ event.

 

[Magdalia]

Wednesday 25 November 1981
73129 SL + 73126 SL propelling 2*4TC 2P29 1018 London Waterloo - Portsmouth Harbour (London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour)
73126 SL + 73129 SL hauling 2*4TC 2P54 1216 Portsmouth Harbour - London Waterloo (Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo)

IIRC there was an issue with the braking systems on the inner suburban units (wheel slide detection). A couple of unit diagrams on the Pompey line were changed to pairs of 73s and either TC stock or a mark 1 set to free up the units to cover the inner suburban workings.

I can’t recall how long the loco hauled workings ran for but it was Mondays to Fridays until a work around for the brake issues were resolved.

The class 508s were withdrawn from traffic because of issues with leaves on the line. The class 73 workings operated from 02/11/81 to 04/12/81, a period of 5 weeks. In the evening peak the 1732 to Pompey and the 1734 to Basingstoke were loco hauled Mark Is. The TC diagram stayed out all day and in the evening included the 1629 up from Pompey.

 

[QJ]

Monday 26 November 1979 (getting my fix of HG Cromptons on London Bridge commuter diagrams)
33046 HG 2U19 1720 London Bridge - Uckfield (London Bridge to East Croydon)
33204 HG 2U47 1659 Uckfield - London Bridge (East Croydon to London Bridge)
33044 HG 2U25 1821 London Bridge - East Grinstead (London Bridge to Sanderstead)
2*205 DEMU 1820 East Grinstead - London Bridge (Sanderstead to East Croydon)
1*4VEG+1*4VEP EMU 1735 Bognor Regis - London Victoria (East Croydon to London Victoria)

Thursday 26 November 1981 (another quick spin off nights to enjoy some ED haulage)
50023 LA 1V07 0650 London Waterloo - Exeter Saint Davids (London Waterloo to Woking)
1*4CIG+1*4VEP 0652 London Waterloo - Portsmouth Harbour (Woking to Guildford)
73140 SL + 73114 SL 2P26 0733 Portsmouth Harbour - London Waterloo (Guildford to Woking) hauling coaching stock
73112 SL + 73129 SL 1P16 0818 Portsmouth Harbour - London Waterloo (Woking to London Waterloo) hauling 8TC
1*4VEP 1012 London Waterloo - Windsor & Eton Riverside (London Waterloo to Twickenham)
1*4EPB+2*2HAP 2140 Windsor & Eton Riverside - London Waterloo (Twickenham to London Waterloo)
(Nice to see my memory regarding the running of these trains was confirmed by Magdalia. The issue with class 508s culminated in a slide past Shepparton station on 21 April 1982)

The Shepperton Train Crash - Village Matters

Shepperton was laid out as a ‘through’ station rather than a terminus, no train was to go further towards Chertsey. Until that is, the 21st April 1982, when an electric Class 508 unit made a valiant attempt to do just that!

www.villagematters.co.uk

Two railtours of note:
Saturday 26 November 1983 RCTS The Mersey Mariner 1L11 Liverpool Lime Street to New Brighton and return DMU track bash
Sunday 26 November 1989 IMinE (Institution of Mining Engineers) North Midlands Railtour DMU track bash with 20163 TO + 20010 TO were used to pilot the train from Pinxton to Bentinck Colliery.

 

[xotGD]

IMinE

I always thought that was the Institute of Miniature Engineers - membership open to model railway enthusiasts!

 

[lostwin(m)]

Made it! I’m upto date on this thread. It’s taken about 3 months to read through from the start, obviously in fits and spurts, but what a fabulous journey. Lots of memories for me from the early to mid ‘80’s stuff, but it has been equally fascinating to realise the variety that had already been lost by then and also which new traction became popular afterwards.

I reckon we have had examples of most diesel classes on regular passenger workings - are we missing any? 24’s and 44’s maybe? Would 22/29 class ever have worked passenger?

 

[Harvester]

Made it! I’m upto date on this thread. It’s taken about 3 months to read through from the start, obviously in fits and spurts, but what a fabulous journey. Lots of memories for me from the early to mid ‘80’s stuff, but it has been equally fascinating to realise the variety that had already been lost by then and also which new traction became popular afterwards.

I reckon we have had examples of most diesel classes on regular passenger workings - are we missing any? 24’s and 44’s maybe? Would 22/29 class ever have worked passenger?

Post #2709 - one 24 and two 44s on a BR rail-tour (Jan 1978).

 

[lostwin(m)]

Post #2709 - one 24 and two 44s on a BR rail-tour (Jan 1978).

I wasn't thinking of counting rail tours, but would allow ADEX, Footex etc. Also meant to include electrics. Only in the last few pages there has been examples of class 74. Of the original AC electrics - 81,83,84,85 all mentioned - did we have an 82?

 

[D6130]

Would 22/29 class ever have worked passenger?

Classes 21, 22 and 29 regularly worked passenger trains back in the day. Class 22 in the West Country and classes 21 and 29 in Scotland.

 

[NorthWestRover]

did we have an 82?

Post #2851 has my only 82 haulage.

I'm sure @CW2 had a few...

 

[Harvester]

I wasn't thinking of counting rail tours, but would allow ADEX, Footex etc. Also meant to include electrics. Only in the last few pages there has been examples of class 74. Of the original AC electrics - 81,83,84,85 all mentioned - did we have an 82?

Had 82002 on an ADEX on 9/6/1979 - Post #3691

 

[CW2]

Post #2851 has my only 82 haulage.

I'm sure @CW2 had a few...

I've had a few runs with 82s. To my mind the Roarer (class 81 - 85) order of magnitude was:
Class 84
Class 82 and Class 83 equal
Class 81
Class 85

Basically, if you saw a class 84 on a passenger service you would ignore everything else and do it, they were that rare.
Class 82 / 83 were also pretty rare on passenger, because of their somewhat temperamental and explosive nature. You'd feel pretty pleased if you got one on a passenger working.
Class 81s were slightly more common on passenger workings.
Class 85s were the most numerous and were the first choice replacement if the booked 86/87 wasn't available.

My class 82 runs were:

Sun 11/02/1973	82	003	1800	Manchester Piccadilly	London Euston	188.75
Mon 13/08/1973	82	007	1005	London Euston	Preston	209
Sat 03/05/1980	82	008	0125	Crewe	Carlisle	141
Fri 16/05/1980	82	002	1723	London Euston	Bletchley	46.5
Fri 16/05/1980	82	007	2050	London Euston	Crewe	158
Sat 17/05/1980	82	005	0008	Crewe	Stafford	24.5
Tue 22/07/1980	82	003	2145	London Euston	Basford Hall Sorting Sdgs Nth	157
Sat 12/09/1981	82	003	2045	London Euston	Crewe	158
Thu 08/10/1981	82	008	0452	Crewe	Birmingham New Street	52.75
Sun 10/01/1982	82	001	2240	London Euston	Mossend	391
Tue 12/01/1982	82	004	00xx	Mossend	London Euston	355.25
Mon 15/03/1982	82	005	2055	London Euston	Carlisle	299
Sun 16/05/1982	82	005	2107	Carlisle	Glasgow Central	102.25
Thu 27/05/1982	82	004	1815	London Euston	Northampton	65.75
Tue 15/06/1982	82	008	2334	Crewe	Carlisle	141
Wed 16/06/1982	82	004	0118	Carlisle	London Euston	299
Thu 17/06/1982	82	008	2300	London Euston	Preston	209

I think some of these moves have featured in earlier parts of this thread. The two moves in 1973 were prior to renumbering. I'm happy to answer queries on any of the individual moves listed above.