Back in the day...

[D1511]

@CW2 Nice haul of early ALs there!

That very much resonates with my experience back then. 84s were as rare as hen's teeth on passenger workings, and 81s and 85s pretty common, especially on overnights. (Edi/Gla to Bristol services were almost always a 81 or 85 from 1976 to 1982 when i was active)
My experiences of 82s and 83s were a lot more limited, but I managed a handful of each, and one notable 83 mystex trip is documented earlier in this thread. 83s were my favorite roarers I think. They seemed to arc more, but there's no science to that.....it was just my perception I think. I particularly recall one night going on a SRS weekend spotting tour in 1980 with a 83 in front lighting up the whole Cyde valley as we travelled south from Carstairs!

Now then...anyone got a pair of 76s that wasn't a railtour?

 

[12LDA28C]

I've had a few runs with 82s. To my mind the Roarer (class 81 - 85) order of magnitude was:
Class 84
Class 82 and Class 83 equal
Class 81
Class 85

Basically, if you saw a class 84 on a passenger service you would ignore everything else and do it, they were that rare.
Class 82 / 83 were also pretty rare on passenger, because of their somewhat temperamental and explosive nature. You'd feel pretty pleased if you got one on a passenger working.
Class 81s were slightly more common on passenger workings.
Class 85s were the most numerous and were the first choice replacement if the booked 86/87 wasn't available.

My class 82 runs were:

Sun 11/02/1973	82	003	1800	Manchester Piccadilly	London Euston	188.75
Mon 13/08/1973	82	007	1005	London Euston	Preston	209
Sat 03/05/1980	82	008	0125	Crewe	Carlisle	141
Fri 16/05/1980	82	002	1723	London Euston	Bletchley	46.5
Fri 16/05/1980	82	007	2050	London Euston	Crewe	158
Sat 17/05/1980	82	005	0008	Crewe	Stafford	24.5
Tue 22/07/1980	82	003	2145	London Euston	Basford Hall Sorting Sdgs Nth	157
Sat 12/09/1981	82	003	2045	London Euston	Crewe	158
Thu 08/10/1981	82	008	0452	Crewe	Birmingham New Street	52.75
Sun 10/01/1982	82	001	2240	London Euston	Mossend	391
Tue 12/01/1982	82	004	00xx	Mossend	London Euston	355.25
Mon 15/03/1982	82	005	2055	London Euston	Carlisle	299
Sun 16/05/1982	82	005	2107	Carlisle	Glasgow Central	102.25
Thu 27/05/1982	82	004	1815	London Euston	Northampton	65.75
Tue 15/06/1982	82	008	2334	Crewe	Carlisle	141
Wed 16/06/1982	82	004	0118	Carlisle	London Euston	299
Thu 17/06/1982	82	008	2300	London Euston	Preston	209

I think some of these moves have featured in earlier parts of this thread. The two moves in 1973 were prior to renumbering. I'm happy to answer queries on any of the individual moves listed above.

That's a very impressive list of Class 82 moves! Although I'm wondering what route your journey of 12/01/1982 took for Mossend to Euston to be only 355 miles.

 

[CW2]

That's a very impressive list of Class 82 moves! Although I'm wondering what route your journey of 12/01/1982 took for Mossend to Euston to be only 355 miles.

Post #2636 gives the full explanation.

 

[12LDA28C]

Post #2636 gives the full explanation.

Ah yes excellent. I would've been rather pleased with 47324...

 

[CW2]

Ah yes excellent. I would've been rather pleased with 47324...

I'm sure you would have been pleased.
Personally, I'd trade a dud 47/3 for more class 82 miles (and train heat).

 

[xotGD]

This is where I rehearse my line about standing at Carlisle and watching 82 and 83 hauled passenger trains come and go, but failing to register either class for haulage.

Did anyone have an 06 on a service train? Rescue of a failure perhaps? I did hear accounts of people accidentally failing to bale at Dundee and inadvertently scoring one on ecs stock shunts.

What about an 03? I never scratched the Newcastle station pilot.

 

[CW2]

I think I had an 03 at Ipswich during some shunt move involving postal / newspaper portions early one morning, but I don't have any firm record of it.

I saw an 08 work the Stalybridge to Manchester Victoria portion of the York - Shrewsbury one morning. Sadly I only realised as the main train departed for Stockport (with me still on board).

 

[Magdalia]

What about an 03?

I think I had an 03 at Ipswich during some shunt move involving postal / newspaper portions early one morning

Various overnight postal trains in East Anglia had advertised passenger accommodation until about 1980. These included 2320 Peterborough/2345 Norwich-Liverpool Street that joined at Ipswich. I don't know the details but I think that the portions were shunted together with a class 03.

Class 03s were commonly used on station pilot duties to shunt release locos especially at Norwich, Kings Lynn and Cambridge. Strictly speaking, these were not available to passengers, and I don't remember ever trying to do any.

Also, did class 03s haul trains to/from Weymouth Quay?

 

[Falcon1200]

Also, did class 03s haul trains to/from Weymouth Quay?

They did! There is a photo in the Ian Allan 1973 Locoshed Book of 2197 hauling a boat train through the streets of Weymouth, dated July 16th 1972. But by the time of our family holiday to Weymouth in 1974 Class 33s were working through; Presumably the track had been upgraded to allow this?

I have an underlining for haulage by Colchester-based 03179 in BR days, but sadly no record or memory of when or where; I take this was the shunt at Ipswich referred to by @Magdalia.

 

[CW2]

I've had another quick delve in the archive:
#960 confirms I too had 03179 at Ipswich.

Just for the sake of completeness, on service trains I had a couple of 08s in the York area:
08771 #2134
08525 #3301

I never had an 06 or 09.

 

[xotGD]

08s onservice trains:

Stock shunt at Perth on the northbound internal overnight
Drag back into Doncaster station following loco failure on the Yarmouth - Newcastle

Plus a couple of ecs shunt releases at Carlisle.

Details up thread...

 

[NorthWestRover]

08846 eight times on stock shunt at Preston
08754 stock shunt at Inverness
All in 1983.

 

[Harvester]

03 once.

The York station pilot back in September 1962, when travelling home at the end of the school holiday, in the Sunderland portion (last three coaches) of the 3 pm Kings Cross-Newcastle behind D354. These coaches were detached at York, and an unidentified 03 pulled them back down the platform. Eventually D283 took our three coach train north via the Durham coast. Don’t know if this was a regular manoeuvre, but by the following summer the Sunderland portion had been discontinued on this train!

 

[Harvester]

Sunday 2nd December 1984

Some rare haulage at Butterley on a Santa Special.

13809 (BR 53809) 15:30 Butterley-Butterley round trip

 

[CD]

Friday 2nd December 1983

33104 Sherborne-Salisbury (2O96 2100 Exeter-Basingstoke)
33031 Salisbury-Southampton via Chandlers Ford (1O99 2145 Bristol-Southampton)

Saturday 3rd December 1983

33117 Southampton-Eastleigh (1W50 2238 Weymouth-Waterloo)
73130 Eastleigh-Waterloo (1W50)
47577 Liverpool St-Ipswich (1P04 0430 Liverpool St-Norwich)
31102 Ipswich-Stowmarket (2H06 0715 Ipswich-Cambridge)
47577 Stowmarket-Norwich (1P04)
47115 Norwich-Ely (1C75 0832 Norwich-Liverpool St)
DMU Ely-Littleport
37049 Littleport-Cambridge (1C71 1006 Kings Lynn-Liverpool St)
37102 Cambridge-Liverpool St (1C73 1200 Cambridge-Liverpool St)
37049 Liverpool St-Cambridge via Seven Sisters (1P76 1335 Liverpool St-Cambridge)
37102 Cambridge-Kings Lynn (1P78 1435 Liverpool St-Kings Lynn)
47010 Kings Lynn-Ely (1C51 1806 Kings Lynn-Liverpool St)
31102 Ely-Cambridge (1E79 1525 Birmingham-Cambridge)
37021 Cambridge-Liverpool St (1C57 2023 Cambridge-Liverpool St)

Sunday 4th December 1983

33028 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn (1V01 0130 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn)
33028 Yeovil Jn-Sherborne (2O82 0729 Yeovil Jn-Salisbury)

 

[Harvester]

Saturday 3rd December 2005

43096+43108 12:14 Grantham-Doncaster
91??? 13:14 Doncaster-Darlington

 

[xotGD]

33028 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn (1V01 0130 Waterloo-Yeovil Jn)
33028 Yeovil Jn-Sherborne (2O82 0729 Yeovil Jn-Salisbury)

A bit of a desperate fester between those two moves?

 

[Peterthegreat]

A bit of a desperate fester between those two moves?

It was the same stock so you could remain on board.

 

[CD]

A bit of a desperate fester between those two moves?

My car was in Sherborne.
You could get on the stock in Waterloo well before midnight, select a compo and get 8 hours sleep.

 

[xotGD]

My car was in Sherborne.
You could get on the stock in Waterloo well before midnight, select a compo and get 8 hours sleep.

Very nice!

 

[CW2]

Not so very long ago, but still of interest (I hope) ...
Friday 04/12/15
390 001 1829 Crewe - Euston
The plan was to do the Inverness sleeper. Well, it started off OK ...
90045 2115 Euston - Ecclefechan MP21.25
Saturday 05/12/15
I was awoken by a loud banging on the roof of the carriage at 0335. 90045 had just lost its pantograph. Naturally the power went off, so I snuggled down in my bed and resigned myself to a hefty delay.
We stood for 4 hours blocking the main line until (required) 92018 came out to rescue us and the damaged pantograph was made safe enough for the train to continue.
We terminated at Edinburgh 310' late, so I had to re-evaluate my options. The ECML was shut, so GNER services were running via Carlisle. That gave me the opportunity to have an HST to Carlisle to pick up the 37s on the Cumbrian Coast workings ...
43295 + 43367 0952 Edinburgh - Carlisle.
This was 25' late start, and was further delayed approaching Carlisle due to flooding.
At Carlisle they announced that the route via Shap was closed due to flooding. I watched 37401 arrive from Barrow,which was my planned exit route. Then they announced that the Cumbrian Coast line was also closed due to flooding! The only way out was via Newcastle:
43208 + 43306 1229 Carlisle - Newcastle
This passed some pretty severe flooding en route to Newcastle.
My journey back to Crewe was then a couple of 185s and a 175, in rather overcrowded conditions.
Not one of my better weekends ...

 

[Falcon1200]

Saturday 05/12/15

I was 12 hours day shift in Glasgow Control on that date, so was (partly) responsible for the goings-on.

A few weeks later I was day shift again, on Hogmanay (31st December) when the WCML was shut, as it turned out for 3 months, due to Lamington Viaduct subsiding into the Clyde.

Users of the WCML will be glad to know I have since retired...

 

[CW2]

I was 12 hours day shift in Glasgow Control on that date, so was (partly) responsible for the goings-on.

A few weeks later I was day shift again, on Hogmanay (31st December) when the WCML was shut, as it turned out for 3 months, due to Lamington Viaduct subsiding into the Clyde.

Users of the WCML will be glad to know I have since retired...

At least I know who to blame!

 

[NorthWestRover]

Not so very long ago, but still of interest (I hope) ...

Not so very long ago, well a few hours ago...

67022 Wilmslow to Man Picc (1W57, 10.52 Cardiff to Manchester).

 

[QJ]

Tuesday 07 December 1976 (trip to Derby during school term for a reason lost in the mists of time)
46044 GD 1E61 (06/12) 1800 Penzance - Sheffield (Bristol TM to Birmingham New Street)
(omitted Gloucester stop owing to a derailment in the station and ran via Camp Hill line into Birmingham New Street)
45026 HO 1E61 (06/12) 1800 Penzance - Sheffield (Birmingham New Street to Derby)
46023 CF 1V60 0617 Sheffield - Cardiff Central (Derby to Burton on Trent)
45072 TO 1E04 0730 Birmingham New Street - York (Burton on Trent to Derby)
45039 HO 1V67 0642 Leeds - Paignton (Derby to Burton on Trent)
46044 GD 1E10 0655 Gloucester - Leeds (Burton on Trent to Derby)
45046 CW 1V96 1524 York - Cardiff Central (Derby to Birmingham New Street)
46044 GD 1V97 1638 Leeds - Swansea (Birmingham New Street to Gloucester Central)
1*121 DMU 2B86 2010 Gloucester Central - Bristol Temple Meads (Gloucester Central to Bristol Temple Meads)
D1058 LA 1B58 2120 Bristol Temple Meads - Plymouth (Bristol Temple Meads to Plymouth)

Monday 07 December 1979 (to enjoy my first trip on the Night Ferry)
73141 SL 1V88 2125 London Victoria - Dover Ferry Berth (London Victoria to Dover Western Docks)
09008 AF 1V88 2125 London Victoria - Dover Ferry Berth (Dover Western Docks to Dover Train Ferry)
99011 (IMO 5305895) mv Saint Germain 0S00 Dover to Dunkerque Maritime

 

[CD]

Sunday 9th December 1984

45037 Gillingham-Exeter St Davids (1V11 1334 Gillingham-Exeter)
47556 Exeter St Davids-Taunton (1E37 1245 Penzance-Newcastle)
45145 Taunton-Exeter St Davids (1V39 1455 Derby-Plymouth)
50039 Exeter St Davids-Gillingham (2O96 2105 Exeter-Salisbury)

45037 ECS from Exeter, block on Salisbury-Gillingham until the evening.
In those days a day return Gillingham-Taunton via Exeter was cheaper than a day return Gillingham-Exeter. Exmouth was the same.
Plenty of beers in Exeter on the way back I expect.

 

[CW2]

Sunday 9th December 1984

45037 Gillingham-Exeter St Davids (1V11 1334 Gillingham-Exeter)

45037 ECS from Exeter, block on Salisbury-Gillingham until the evening.

Quite a rarity to get a 45 on that route. (Not a fan myself, but I appreciate the novelty value).

Meanwhile amidst all the hand wringing going on over the end of the 68s on TPE services, cast your minds back a few years to a period when they were to be found working the Fife Circle services in top-and-tail mode, alongside some 67s:

Wednesday 09/12/15
390 125 1109 Crewe - Haymarket, 5' -> 35' late, flood damage
170 395 1452 Haymarket - Inverkeithing
68002 1523 Inverkeithing - Haymarket
68006 1617 Haymarket - Inverkeithing
67008 1729 Inverkeithing - Haymarket
67021 1809 Haymarket - Dunfermline Town
67008 1854 Dunfermline Town - Haymarket
170 451 1930 Haymarket - Edinburgh Waverley
43208 + 43306 2032 Edinburgh Waverley - Inverkeithing

Thursday 10/12/15
67008 0938 Inverkeithing - Dunfermline Town
67021 1000 Dunfermline Town - Haymarket
67008 1047 Haymarket - Dunfermline Town
67021 1129 Dunfermline Town - Haymarket
68007 1249 Haymarket - Cowdenbeath
68006 1333 Cowdenbeath - Dunfermline Town
67021 1402 Dunfermline Town - Haymarket
67008 1450 Haymarket - Inverkeithing
68006 1523 Inverkeithing - Haymarket
68007 1617 Haymarket - Inverkeithing
68006 1649 Inverkeithing - Haymarket
68007 1712 Haymarket - Glenrothes via Cowdenbeath 25' -> 30' late.
68007 1815 Glenrothes - Inverkeithing via Kirkcaldy 30' -> 45' late.

Friday 11/12/15
67008 0840 Inverkeithing - Haymarket
67021 0918 Haymarket - Dunfermline Town
67008 1000 Dunfermline Town - Inverkeithing
68006 1026 Inverkeithing - Dunfermline Town
68007 1046 Dunfermline Town - Haymarket
68006 1121 Haymarket - Dunfermline Town
68007 1200 Dunfermline Town - Haymarket
170 456 1237 Haymarket - Edinburgh Waverley
390 112 1251 Edinburgh Waverley - Crewe 25' late due to flood related speed restrictions.

 

[gabrielhj07]

10DEC2022

Quick spin to see Duchess of Sutherland:

5869+5872 2O11 Strawberry Hill - Waterloo
159014+158886 1L21 Waterloo - Salisbury
166206 2V94 Salisbury - Warminster
166207 1F15 Warminster - Salisbury (With a handy 47 mins of delay repay)
159009+159107 Salisbury - Waterloo
5859+5917 Waterloo - Strawberry Hill

 

[CD]

Saturday 11th December 1982

50029 Yeovil Jn-Waterloo (1OO4 0625 Exeter-Waterloo)
37116 Liverpool St-Cambridge (1P66 1035 Liverpool St-Kings Lynn)
31128 Cambridge-Liverpool St (1C71 1152 Cambridge-Liverpool St)
31107 Liverpool St-Cambridge (1P78 1435 Liverpool St-Kings Lynn)
37090 Cambridge-Liverpool St (1C83 1552 Cambridge-Liverpool St)
33110 Waterloo-Salisbury (1L15 1810 Waterloo-Salisbury)
47427 Salisbury-Yeovil Jn (1V19 1910 Waterloo-Exeter)

Saturday 12th December 1981

DMU Yeovil PM-Westbury
33031 Westbury-Bristol TM (2V58 0656 Portsmouth Hbr-Bristol)
45002 Bristol TM-Derby (1E75 0835 Taunton-Newcastle)
46051 Derby-Bristol TM (1V91 1143 Newcastle-Bristol)
33059 Bristol TM-Westbury (1O93 1810 Cardiff-Portsmouth Hbr)
DMU Westbury-Yeovil PM.

 

[Harvester]

Sunday 12th December 1982

4744 (ex BR 69523) 14:30 Loughborough-Rothley-Loughborough